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Pixy
15th Mar 2014, 20:24
There is a lot of hype, myth and rumor about the amount of people leaving or about to leave. This will attempt to look at the facts, the deductions and the possibilities.

A Snapshot at Numbers

Since the beginning of September 2013, 43 Pilots have dropped off the seniority list. There are 3530 currently on the seniority list.

That is 43 in 6.5 months or a rate of 79 per year. That is an attrition rate of 2.25% per annum.

This is of course a snapshot. If 100 left in the previous 5.5 months the rate would be higher (I doubt it). If none left in the previous 5.5 months then clearly the rate would be lower. (I doubt that too).

Perhaps more relevant is the increase in numbers on the seniority list in the same time. That is 47. So 43 left and the total went up by 47. I.e. 90 new pilots joined the pilot pool.

This perhaps is a more relevant statistic: We lost approximately 50% of what we recruited.

Some of that was going to happen anyway. Retirement and loss of medical cannot be prevented by better terms and conditions.

The Economics of Replacement vs Retention.

I don’t know what the cost of recruiting and training a new pilot is but some rough numbers would indicate an average in the region of AED 250K – 350K. If you split the higher figure amongst the pilot workforce then all would get an increase of 100 AED for one month. From this you could deduce that it is preferable to train 100 pilots than giving every pilot an increase of AED 1000 /month, over a year. The focus then must be on keeping down pilot costs and recruit and train as necessary to replace those who are dissatisfied and leave.

The Methods

We can see evidence of preferring replacement to retention in current and past behavior. Salaries and allowances are raised minimally and deliberately kept below the rises in cost of living. Essentially inflation is doing a good job of reducing employee remuneration. It is stealthy but devastatingly effective. Most people view the minimum raises that have occurred as just that – a salary increase, albeit limited. But the reality is that salaries have declined over the year and employees can buy less.

The Steps of 3% up the salary scale are also often (and stupidly) seen as a salary increase. Actually they are not. They were initially designed to be automatic each year and intended to reward for service and experience. That was imaginatively explained away some years ago and loyalty and experience simply do not rate for anything on a financial spreadsheet where intangibles like competency, experience and loyalty are entirely irrelevant. One captain or FO does the role of any other, so why pay more?

These steps also mask the true picture. Yes an individual gets 3% more but that is not comparing like with like. One has to compare the same Step Level (E.g. Step 15) over a period of time. Several times our leaders have portrayed the step increase as a salary increase. We might all go up a step but if the whole scale does not shift then the company has achieved another year with negligible additional cost. Some will drop out of the scale as they leave and be replaced with pilots on Step 1 which has not moved and is more cost effective than the leaver. A minimal amount may be spent on an upgrade.
Allowances have not changed at all for some time. This includes overtime, flying pay, utility allowance, telephone allowance, various training allowances. No one could deny that these are worth less than when they last changed.

In the meantime there is an aggressive stance taken for various claims and claw backs. Claims are complicated by policy, bureaucracy, or flatly denied - sometimes on the flimsiest of excuses. When challenged, HR members often, and not so subtly, hint at this challenge possibly being detrimental to your employment. One assumes they have been instructed and encouraged to take this stance. Many back off from taking the company to task through legitimate process for fear of recrimination in other ways.

Punishment sometimes takes the form of financial penalty. Why should someone with a warning on file lose any profit share? He/She may have slipped up on a day but it does not mean they have not contributed for the rest of the year. And the concept of the company benefitting financially from an air safety infringement is a highly questionable conflict of interests that could adversely affect a safety culture.

Leave, an accountable liability on the balance sheet, is also being indirectly (although blatantly) manipulated so as to write it off at no cost. Assigned leave of small amounts in a month allows the company to ensure that a full roster up to the productivity level can be fitted into the remainder of the month. Thereby what would have been given as off days can be struck off the leave balance at no cost. Would an office worker who took leave be expected to come in on weekends to make up for the lost productivity? There once were protections against this but, like banking, these sensible regulations were removed.

This write off of leave coupled with the factoring of flight hours enables the company to get productivity levels above 900 hours a year. Watch for more of this practice when the 900 hour limit is raised to 1000.

Even the policy of sick days is flawed. One may get 20 days sick in a year but only 10 of them actually resulted in missing work. The other 10 were off anyway. The full amount goes on the sickness record and may even result in a little chat. This would not happen to an office worker who was sick Thursday to Sunday. That would only be 2 sick days. More dubious practice.

As you fly every day rest assured the army in HQ is planning how to relieve you of another dirham, directly or indirectly.

The Reality

Remuneration is going to continue to decrease in real terms. The rate may decline but the direction is clear. Every lever to reduce pilot costs will be pulled; the big ones related to salary rises, loss of license and medical claims get, and will continue to get, full attention.

The only thing that will stop the decline is the ability to recruit replacements but as other airlines and businesses are on the same path, that’s never likely to happen. Over the longer term prospective pilots will avoid the profession on a cost vs. reward basis and seek other avenues. Airlines will train more cadets and then tie them to the company. The profession will be dumbed down as new safety innovations and automation make the pilot’s lack of skill and experience less of a risk to the overall operation. The odd accident that occurs because of these deficiencies will be glossed over and be deemed an acceptable economic risk.

The Certainty

Salary will decrease in value. Work will increase for this decreased salary. There are many levers still to pull in this regard but I don’t want to give anyone any ideas!

So too will the intrinsic value of the whole package. By this I mean Accommodation, Schooling, Allowances, Medical and other protections.
Every year in the financial statements; employee costs decrease as a percentage of total costs while profits grow. You are funding the profits you see nothing of. To encourage this transfer of wealth, bonuses are paid to those who make it possible.

Because of its size the company is now afflicted by the arithmetic of scale. Consider the cost of giving every pilot a nominal (and insufficient) extra AED 1000 / month to the annual profit/loss statement: 42 million dirhams.

They will fight that with all at their disposal.

Alconguin Crusader
16th Mar 2014, 05:19
Excellent post.
75 pilots have their resignations in right now with many more to be turned in after they shaft us in May.
No doubt we have lost signficant amounts of money and lifestyle and this won't change unless pilots don't come to Emirates.

TOGA Thrust
16th Mar 2014, 06:44
Good post. Tells it how it is. :D

The golden days are long gone at EK.

Its a setting sun

Woopoops
16th Mar 2014, 07:18
Thank you Pixy, that sums it up.
I believe that we'll get nothing or an insignificant increase again this coming May, after which there will be a noticeable movement trough the exit door, not to mention difficulty with hiring for the new airframes. Only then we might see some shift in policy towards us.
As for me... My biggest issues are leave, edu. allowance and rosters. And yes, I'm on look out for happier places for me and the family.

harry the cod
16th Mar 2014, 09:10
Pixy

A lot of what you say is true and makes for a rather depressing read. Only correction to your post regards warnings. You'd need to be on a final written warning to get no profit share.

Academic and rather pointless observation I know judging by what is likely to be announced again later this year!

Harry

palm
16th Mar 2014, 11:06
Very good post, so true....:ugh::ugh:

120feet
16th Mar 2014, 12:28
Great post Pixy. I would add Emirates very recent addition of up to 110 days a year of reserve, and forcing pilots to take all of their vacation on months when their kids are in school, shows there is no planned change in management attitude.

Panther 88
16th Mar 2014, 13:37
The real key, regarding attrition, will be when the school year ends. Which also will be after the non profit share and non raise.

fatbus
16th Mar 2014, 14:06
Have only moved up 2 numbers in the last year, with 90 days notice some of the so called 75 could be for a summer time departure. does anyone really think EK cares about any increase in attrition . Don't see that putting any upward pressure on the overall package .

Mig380
16th Mar 2014, 15:37
I was wandering what was the UAE annual inflation. I saw this:

Inflation Rate in UAE (united arab emirates) (from 2009 to 2014) | Forecast ~ GDP Inflation (http://www.gdpinflation.com/2013/09/inflation-rate-in-uaeunited-arab.html)

Is the average salary increase in EK about 3%?

Cheers!!

White Knight
16th Mar 2014, 17:49
75 pilots have their resignations in right now with many more to be turned in after they shaft us in May.

Strange how it's ALWAYS 75 pilots working their notice; every year. Never seems to change.

Are you in HR AC?

By the by I haven't moved up the list for months now:p:cool:

Mr Angry from Purley
16th Mar 2014, 18:07
This would not happen to an office worker who was sick Thursday to Sunday. That would only be 2 sick days.

Not true, if an Office bod is sick on days off they still have to account for these days towards their sick tally. i.e. self cert

nakbin330
17th Mar 2014, 06:39
I'm mid seniority, and have moved six spots since the middle of January.

Alconguin Crusader
18th Mar 2014, 11:20
I moved up 51 numbers last year and I have been at EK over 8 1/2 years.
I have no idea how many left below me.
I am not in HR but my wife is. Ask anyone in HR and they will tell you the numbers. A lot of junior pilots are leaving now to greener pastures.
Does anyone think Emirates is a good airline anymore?

spider_man
18th Mar 2014, 12:20
Where do more junior pilots go to? The rating often isn't valid outside uae and under the new rules previous rating and even the easa license itself may have gone unless they leave reeeeally quick.

Fart Master
18th Mar 2014, 13:09
Spider Man, not true re EASA licences. Also other airlines will look at each pilots experience ISO whether the rating is on their licence or not. As we know any new joiner to any airline has to undergo the requisite amount of training regardless...

spanishfly69
18th Mar 2014, 14:30
Spider, Who ever told you the rating is not valid except in the UAE is mistaken.

Payscale
18th Mar 2014, 14:34
My A380 rating is on my EASA license with no limitations

palm
19th Mar 2014, 05:36
Last update from HR yesterday, attrition 1.5%- 2%. The best in the all aviation business. :D:D

OnceBitten
19th Mar 2014, 05:46
So based on that then obviously there will be no need for new DECs in the future? :cool:

palm
19th Mar 2014, 08:35
Correct, no DEC this year and probably for good.. :D:D

LHR Rain
24th Mar 2014, 06:04
Please no DECs at Emirates. It is bad enough that we have Ryan Air pilots at EK.

lospilotos
24th Mar 2014, 21:19
Please no DECs at Emirates. It is bad enough that we have Ryan Air pilots at EK.

From looking through the last 4-5 years posts, LHR Rain seems to hold two major grudges, DECs and "Ryan Air" pilots. BTW, if you are referring to the Irish LCC it's called "Ryanair". Stop embarrassing yourself FFS...

Callsign Kilo
24th Mar 2014, 21:51
Please no DECs at Emirates. It is bad enough that we have Ryan Air pilots at EK.

A few DECs came from 'Ryanair.' That must have really pissed him off!

GoreTex
24th Mar 2014, 22:01
hope we get some QF DEC's straight in the training department, that would be so much fun :)

skysod
25th Mar 2014, 08:01
I wonder how many are leaving to go to Emirates?

Woopoops
25th Mar 2014, 09:01
You've got to have nowhere to go to be serious about joining EK at this time. Talk to ex QF FOs to see how "happy" most of them here (unless you're single, no kids).

White Knight
3rd Apr 2014, 01:42
A lot of junior pilots are leaving now to greener pastures

Greener? How so? And in whose eyes? For me; well you can keep your Far East 'gweilo round-eye' jobs thank-you very much:=

Some going back to the US? Take a FIVE year reserve line on a 737 or 320? Good luck to you:p

Next?

White Knight
3rd Apr 2014, 01:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by LHR Rain
Please no DECs at Emirates. It is bad enough that we have Ryan Air pilots at EK.

From looking through the last 4-5 years posts, LHR Rain seems to hold two major grudges, DECs and "Ryan Air" pilots. BTW, if you are referring to the Irish LCC it's called "Ryanair". Stop embarrassing yourself FFS...

It's just bad enough that there are such vitriolic types as LHR Rain here. Happily they don't seem to be on my fleet:D:D:D

TheDarkHorse
3rd Apr 2014, 06:17
So on tuesday there were a total of 51 people at the leaving desk. Majority were handing in passports with the rest getting final cheque, picking up passport etc

The Outlaw
3rd Apr 2014, 07:17
The gents at the uniform store told me that about 50 -/+ leave every week. That is cabin crew mostly.

TheDarkHorse
3rd Apr 2014, 08:36
SS - This is only taught to EK10 and above ;) Its not worth the investment and time and effort in their mind techniques to teach to lowly pilots or crew :ugh:

Outlaw - I would say his number is somewhat down but I did see your +/- however I can only hope their teaching will backfire :D

Al Murdoch
3rd Apr 2014, 12:04
Crikey - just had a look at LHR Rain's previous posts. It's like a tour of a mental asylum.

Emma Royds
5th Apr 2014, 16:19
Greener? How so? And in whose eyes? For me; well you can keep your Far East 'gweilo round-eye' jobs thank-you very much

Some going back to the US? Take a FIVE year reserve line on a 737 or 320? Good luck to you

Next?

WK

What perhaps is your nightmare is perhaps another man's utopia. :}

Trevor the lover
6th Apr 2014, 09:11
"No doubt we have lost signficant amounts of money and lifestyle and this won't change unless pilots don't come to Emirates."

I'm happy to help out - I won't join!!

Me Myself
8th Apr 2014, 16:34
I am really surprised to read the amount of un hapiness. If you don't want people to come to EK......I suggest EK stops gutting european airlines with totally unfair competition. By that I lean, manpower costs, fuel.....etc.
It would be nice if our lame politicians also stopped giving all sorts of freebies to EK, like almost unlimited slots just because EK happens to be the only joint that buys the 380.
Cuz at that rate, you are going to see a lot of us ...!

TheDarkHorse
9th Apr 2014, 09:37
And how does the pilot manage what you propose?

lospilotos
11th Apr 2014, 07:35
Interestingly it´s not only old time captains that are leaving. Even FOs leave before the bond is paid off...

Panther 88
11th Apr 2014, 13:48
But not many. By my crude calculations only 31 have left since Dec. 1. Does not include of course resignation letters submitted. The numbers just aren't worrisome......yet. Not matter what is said or done, discontent is only going to be measured with regard to numbers.

White Knight
15th Apr 2014, 19:59
Quote:
Greener? How so? And in whose eyes? For me; well you can keep your Far East 'gweilo round-eye' jobs thank-you very much

Some going back to the US? Take a FIVE year reserve line on a 737 or 320? Good luck to you

Next?

WK

What perhaps is your nightmare is perhaps another man's utopia.



Indeed... That perhaps is the point I was making:ok::D

FUSE PLUG
15th Apr 2014, 20:08
Given the amount of hiring that will take place in the US in the next decade or two, most pilots at UAL/AA/DAL will sit reserve for 5 months... not 5 years (there will be some outliers depending on domicile and aircraft).

cerbus
16th Apr 2014, 04:44
White Knight is trying to justify why he left BA that is why he disparges every other airline.
With what EK is doing to us it makes sense to check out other airlines and on careful examination Emirates usually does not compare unless you come from Ryanair.