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sheiken around
12th Mar 2014, 12:54
Well, I think we've seen it all now. We now have the ability to purchase additional uniform items (shirts etc) from EK (at cost no less).

This is beginning to sound more like some of the low(er) cost carriers out there.

I for one, will be wearing the uniform until the mandated, company paid, replacement time - regardless of how the shirts, jackets etc. look.

I am sure though, that there will be those who will gladly, shore up the company's bottom line...104dhs for a shirt !!! Seriously !!!

Fromagio
12th Mar 2014, 14:43
If I've paid for it can I then eat in public while wearing it? Just wondering!!

BobDole
12th Mar 2014, 14:49
So long as you carry proof of purchase at all times to be produced upon request :E

ektrazz
12th Mar 2014, 15:33
Just keep taking it to that hopeless laundry service ! you will look like a hobo in no time ! May get a itch from our Ghetto CC

I agree , I will wait until they give me new clothing ! o wait , its my only off day and its on a Monday , I believe we cannot get clothes on a Monday !

They never ever have shirts anyway !

I will keep sucking down double lattes in uniform , making us work 95 hrs a month , was suppose to be only for a few months according to AS and we would be back on 78 hrs , 3 years later ..

CaptainChipotle
13th Mar 2014, 00:48
yeah… what a joke.

Or you could bid for BKK layovers and get tailored quality shirts for next to nothing. At over 100dhs/shirt, clearly there is a profit made, and from that profit we will see a share. So get all your friends to buy extra stuff!!! Now we can be like the CC selling duty-free on board...

palm
13th Mar 2014, 05:03
What a joke exactly. Looks like we are slowly drifting to the Ryanair sort of deal. Next is the bottle of water and eventually your recurrent every 6 month.....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Farrell
13th Mar 2014, 06:37
100 dirhams for a shirt is a bargain....unless it's crap.

These ones are great:

Van Heusen 100% Cotton Non-Iron Aviator Shirt - Men's Short Sleeve - MyPilotStore.com (http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/9557)

BLOGGSON
16th Mar 2014, 11:29
On the subject of BKK tailors, anyone got any contacts as I have BKK later and need to replace a shirt that I must've left in a hotel somewhere? Doh!! Would rather give the dosh to them than put it in EK's pocket.

falconeasydriver
16th Mar 2014, 11:53
Far be it for me to interject with some balance here, but recently I had cause to need a replacement shirt or 2. A quick email, followed by a visit to the said uniform store with old (damaged in the line of duty) shirt(s) and hey presto, replacements provided on the spot, at no charge.
Where is the problem with that?
More of a problem are those pesky name badges, my one appears to want to stab me at random intervals…..

HighLow
16th Mar 2014, 12:00
Balance at last !

A "Replacement" Item (due to Natural Wear and Tear) is quite a different thing from an "Additional" item.

Open to correction, my understanding is that Legacy Airlines around this planet pay for their employees uniform, and subsequent "replacements", and I am sure Emirates is no different.

If an EMPLOYEE of a legacy carrier is now expected to pay for "Replacement" uniform items, it is therefore a Legacy Carrier no more !

My two cents !

White Knight
16th Mar 2014, 17:42
What a joke exactly. Looks like we are slowly drifting to the Ryanair sort of deal. Next is the bottle of water and eventually your recurrent every 6 month.....

A real drama queen statement! This is about EXTRA kit that YOU may WISH to buy... Not replacement kit; of which there is an ENTITLEMENT provided by the company at (hopefully) timely intervals:ugh:

Get a grip..........................

JAARule
16th Mar 2014, 18:48
I think the point might possibly be, Knight, that they in the company are fishing around for extra income by letting you know you can buy extra (as you correctly pointed out) items of gear.


If someone relatively new (maybe even ex Ryanair or Easyjet who's used to paying for everything) gets the wrong idea and buys new shirts instead of one-for-one-ing the issue stuff then they won't mind at all. And maybe, just maybe this is the thin end of yet another un-lubed wedge you can feel nudging around your posterior. Wouldn't be the first would it?


Rose tinted glasses and all that, WK?


You've been quiet lately, anyway, been away on vacation? Half your luck...

ruserious
17th Mar 2014, 06:59
The question is, how do you fly a 92 hour roster on 5 shirts, especially when the Butlers keep losing them, or don't have them ready.
Answer from management, buy extra's at your own cost.
Kwality, that is

BYMONEK
17th Mar 2014, 14:35
ruserious

Well, if Butlers keep losing them and you're struggling to manage your decreasing 5 shirts, how about doing what most of us do, wash and iron your own. Dry cleaning is not compulsory and if the wife's too busy and you're too tired, ask the maid nicely!

C'mon, lets get real here. When you read posts like that, is it any wonder pilots have such a sad reputation as whingers and moaners! :ugh:

Panther 88
17th Mar 2014, 14:46
RE, the legacies paying for everything or providing. I can name two legacies in the US that pilots pay for EVERYTHING from shoes to hats to ties to belts. No replacements, no wear and tear...you're on your own.

Calmcavok
17th Mar 2014, 15:22
BA give a similar issue to EK and then you can buy extra should you wish. Can't see the problem myself.

emratty
17th Mar 2014, 17:15
There is no problem it's just another pathetic moan to make us look like a bunch of spoilt brats. Obviously 3 pairs of trousers 2 jackets 2 ties 2 sets of stripes 5 shirts which are replaced every 18 months are not enough for some people.
BYMONEK is right maybe wash the shirts yourself at least you know they are clean unlike being sent to a Butlers sweatshop.

The Outlaw
18th Mar 2014, 02:53
According to the last email they won't clean your shirts unless they're Pacific Brand so they force you to buy from the company store.

The policy was not thought out (Like other policies) as 5 shirts doesn't cover the 6 day pairings with enough time to have the shirts cleaned in between.

aussiefarmer
18th Mar 2014, 04:45
Well, I see nothing wrong with giving you the option to buy optional replacements or add ons (apart from the wear and tear replacements).

My only complain on uniform is the quality of some of the stuff. My name is almost erased from the badge and it's been less than 1 year?

We are all supposed to look the same (that's one of the objectives of having a uniform) so why the company will support (by offering to launder) pieces that are not part of it?

lospilotos
18th Mar 2014, 10:00
Show me a pairing that requires more than 5 shirts. Even on 418 you get by with 5 shirts as the SYD-CHC-SYD is a turnaround.

Ok, so you found one pairing that requires 6 shirts. So how often do you get that? Just have one cleaned at the hotel for a couple of DHS and in that case claim it back if you are that thight on the money.

fatbus
18th Mar 2014, 11:42
The basic issue of shirts was 5 shirts 12 years ago, did it change since then.

The Outlaw
18th Mar 2014, 12:18
Great response guys.

Using your logic then why not have the company give us 3 shirts and you buy the rest?...Then you can pay all you want to have them laundered at the hotels.

Also, since you're so keen on company policy, you would know that Pacific Brands only want the uniform cleaned buy the company laundry since there are "special procedures involved...what ever they may be.

But really? I have to actually defend the position that 5 shirts is not enough?

I have to spell this out?....REALLY?

6 day trip = 4 shirts...that leaves one hanging in the closet at home if you started with all of them. Even if you went to the laundry on your return to DXB you still have to wait at least 2 days to get the 4 you dropped assuming they're even ready. Now...2 days later you go on a trip requiring 2 more shirts....so you either go to the laundry and pick up the 4 you dropped and take them all with you on your trip, or you use one shirt for two days, not a desirable choice either.

OR......(wait for it)

You could start with 8...yes I said it, eight (8) which covers all pairings and subsequent pairings. This "well we've done it this way for years" attitude is pretty limited and weak considering we weren't doing 92 hours years ago.

Is that so much to ask or will it bankrupt the company? Things are pretty tough you know....probably only make 5 billion this year...rough times.

theidler
18th Mar 2014, 12:23
The basic issue of shirts was 5 shirts 12 years ago, did it change since then.

No it didn't change. What has changed is the time that Butlers take to return the laundered items. They advertise 2 days, it states the time of return on the laundry slip. In the last 12 months I have never had my laundry returned on time by Butlers. So it may be that I don't have a uniform for my next duty.

I don't use them now. Either deliberately or through lack of planning the company are sidestepping their obligations again and that is the real issue here. It's nothing to do with washing our own shirts.

GoreTex
18th Mar 2014, 22:50
I wish I had your problems, you clowns

Panther 88
19th Mar 2014, 03:47
Gt, see your point. However this seems to be just one more drip in the bucket, one more straw on the camel's back, or like a nagging wife. At some point the constant nagging gets to you and even small little issues get blown out of proportion. Leave awards after bid closing, drip. Not getting entitled leave, drip. T and Cs not keeping up, drip. IT issues, drip. Lack of sensible rosters and fatigue, drip. Accommodation issues, drip. Etc,etc. and finally some inane issue pops up and BAM.......the nagging/drips can't be taken anymore.

Is it really about the opportunity to BUY an extra shirt or two? Now if we want to talk about the quality of other uniform items, that is also another drip. Seems the whole uniform, name badge and all was developed and thought up by cubicle dwellers and not with end users input. DRIP! But he PB people seem like nice folks.

Rather Be Skiing
19th Mar 2014, 04:12
I really don't see what people are upset about. We have always been able to purchase additional uniform items if we chose. It just took a while to make the same arrangement with PB.

Some might choose the convenience of a couple of extra shirts, others not. No one is being forced to buy anything.

I guess pilots are just not happy if they are not whining.

myekppa
19th Mar 2014, 04:23
I can easily find how to wear, and where to buy uniform on the portal.

Anyone know where the info is to exchange or repair uniform?

Only been here 15 yrs + and cannot find any 'relevant' information on the portal, what does that say about;

a) Me

b) EK IT

c) What really matters

FLEX/MCT
19th Mar 2014, 05:17
Guys come join us low life's on the 330 fleet, no worries about shirt consumption here! :}

White Knight
3rd Apr 2014, 01:30
Rose tinted glasses and all that, WK?



Doubt it JAArule. Like me saying "dipstick and all that, JAArule?" but that would be rude so I won't! Bless you:ugh:

:rolleyes:

JAARule
3rd Apr 2014, 14:40
Oh yes I DID say that - nearly three weeks ago. Oh dear, it obviously got under your skin to get such a pompous comment thought out at great length. Take this as my sincere apology old chap, wot?


Good comeback by the way. Took you a while though, did your therapist help you with it?