Aurigny Air Services

[TriBeCa]

Whilst browsing the pilotjobsnetwork website I noticed a possible requirement for Do228 pilots later this year:

Aurigny Air Services pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements. (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Aurigny_Air_Services)

What I find surprising is that they intend to source pilots only from CAE/Oxford. Yawn, yawn I hear you say.

Indeed. But I can't help thinking that Aurigny perhaps are indulging in too much self importance here. Do they think they are that special enough to attract CAE/Oxford bods?
Stated on the link is a starting salary of twenty grand a year for FO's and the requirement to fund one's own Dornier type rating. What is the point in restricting the pilot search to this school when in all probability they will jump ship as it's not a jet. Self improvers/ex instructors might be more suited (the latter having more hands on flying experience).

Just doesn't quite add up to me (or is it really just how it is now!)

[TriBeCa]

That's lucky for you actually. I wonder how much a Dornier rating is..

It's a start I guess

[TriBeCa]

25K for a type rating for an aircraft that looks like this:

Manx2 Dornier 228 red dragon (http://isleofman.isle-news.com/archives/manx2-com-winners-of-4-8-million-four-year-wales-air-link-contract/7868/manx2-dornier-228-red-dragon/)

You ARE HAVING A LAUGH AREN'T YOU...?

[BAe 146-100]

Yeah a Dornier rating, about as much use as a chocolate fireguard in 2014.

[Cliff Secord]

Just popped my beek into this section out of interest as another thread sparked my interest in what's happening at the entry side of things into the job. 15 years ago this wouldn't have been the case, a turboprop job would be snapped up and you probably wouldn't be charged for the rating rather bonded.

I have to say I agree with most of the posts above mine. Just a question with your post TriBeCa. I agree, in this day and age sadly a non jet rating is pretty dead end. I am aware they're targeting Oxford people. But the tone of what you said suggests they're wasting their time at Oxford. What makes CAE/Oxford bods so special that this is beneath them, any more than other students? They've hardly been in an aircraft for more than the minimum time, the same as any other trainee and already feel privileged is that what you're saying or have I got that wrong? Is it that they have more jet opportunities than other students in different schools? I'm genuinely interested not having a dig at what you wrote :-)

I have to say I don't like that the industry has devalued turboprop experience. It's the best learning ground there is, tough relevant flying.

[RexBanner]

Tennisten apologies for being picky but there is no such thing as "Channel Islands residency". You are either eligible to live and work in Jersey or in Guernsey, depending in where you are from, not both. If you are from Jersey then don't count on that being any relevance to employment in Aurigny whatsoever, indeed you may as well be from Uzbekistan. This is especially true now there is no pilot base in Jersey with the agreement with Blue Islands freshly signed.

[TriBeCa]

Cliff Secord,

I wouldn't say they are wasting their time at Oxford/CAE. I'm sure there are many decent graduate pilots there, along with the many other reputable training organisations both modular and integrated. My comments were more along the lines of the fact that clever marketing has made the CAE/Oxford product a somewhat desired commodity for some airlines. It follows that if there are other airlines believing that they are getting a better pilot then a choice opens up for the graduate. Aurigny...Dornier228, 25K type rating followed by 24k per year. It would be interesting to see how many Oxford/CAE bods Aurigny can attract with their spectacular opportunity!

[Matt7504]

To be honest, I am very surprised that they are looking to source their pilot base from Oxford. I'm not discrediting the turbo-prop job or any form of training at all (It would be a fantastic area to begin a flight crew career), but I was always under the impression that turbo-prop outfits were not into the "glossy brochures" and in some cases preferred the modular variant of pilots, granted Flybe has made deals with the big three in the past.....Guess thats another door closing for the self-improvers.

[contacttower118.2]

:ugh::ugh:

Why do airlines insist on this sort of recruitment tactic? There are plenty of able modular candidates out there.

Here's an idea...why doesn't the airline, if wants to recruit people with no previous airline experience, run an application process that is open to all and assess people against it's own criteria or needs.

There is nothing special about people who went to CAE or indeed any of the other "big names".

[Groundloop]

There is nothing special about people who went to CAE or indeed any of the other "big names".

Yes, there is. Having forked out up to £100k for the course some of them may also be able to (and desperate enough) to fund a further £25k for the rating!:ok:

[contacttower118.2]

Yes I'll grant you that...:E

[monviso]

Don't worry there will be many CAE and "big names" student pilots who will be more than happy to get a job with them. I even think there is a big stock of CV on chief pilot's desk coming from pilots who got their licence over those flight schools.

It is normal, that company is pretty good and it is a great option to anybody who can get in.

[M33]

Money making scheme! I would think that parc, cae, oxford (what ever they are called at the moment) need to place some students. So they offer cash incentive to company for only recruiting from their pool. This reduces pilot cost to company and Oaa place another student!

Ctc and Oaa students get abused this way, and at the same time cripple the industry, progression and the professionalism of the career.

[monviso]

It may be you are right or simply Aurigny is a private company and take any decision they think is right for them.

You can like or dislike but they are a private bussines and they can decide what they consider is more good for them.

[sps1013]

I have been in contact with Aurigny regarding employment.

However, as someone who has flown the Dornier 228 and is rated on the BN series of aircraft, with a large number of hours plus a valid mep they were not interested.

Seeing as I don't live on the islands that was one reason they sent a PFO but the comment of "we look for pilots with previous experience operating the types currently in use within the fleet" clearly showed me they have eyes for fleecing money out of kids who have rich parents.

:ugh::ugh:

[Matt7504]

So, will Aurigny have no aircraft based in Jersey then? Therefore, possessing Jersey residency would be of no benefit really for seeking employment with Aurigny I am guessing.

[Crashlanding]

Correct, blue island are doing the jersey guernsey on the ATR.

[monviso]

FYI Monviso, seeing as making such a comment gives away that you know very little about them, Aurigny are NOT a private company. They are owned by the taxpayer, which makes them the complete polar opposite of a private company.

It doesn't matter they are not a charity organization, they have the right to decide what kind of action to take in order to defend their bussines. They don't have to give any specific help to anybody.

If they intend to source pilots only from CAE/Oxford, they can do either being a public or private company.

It is pretty easy to understand!

[Cloud Buster]

Hi All,

A friend of mine might have an option to start on the ATR at Aurigney as FO (already rated), are there any pilots on the forum that work there? Would like to get some info about the conditions there. There are rumors that living is provided, but that the pay is as low as 1000 GBP? Is there any way to commute with them? Or are you stuck on the island? I heard Guernsey is very expensive, thats why I don't understand the rumor of the 1000 GBP?

Info is very welcome :ok: