Inability to get it even remotely right - an unlimited series

[Dropp the Pilot]

Weekly update: "reports of crew taking, or asking, for items on board which have been loaded specifically for our passengers. This is not appropriate. Newspapers, pillows ….. must not be taken or used. The consequences of ignoring this could be very serious as it is a misuse of company property."

OMA 8.3.10.7.3:

"Flight crew are to be provided with suitable equipment, (blankets, pillows
eye shades, ear plugs) to enable recuperative seat rest."

[falconeasydriver]

Easy to clarify, merely ask a fleet person/body at your next wash-up? or perhaps a polite enquiry to the relevant individual(s).
Post your reply here?
As a lowly F/O I would baulk at this given my predilection for stupidness, commanders on the other hand....

[thehonourablefong]

How about 3500 emails asking for pillows, blankets, eye shades and ear plugs?

[mooseknuckles]

Falcon, I think the point is that it should never have been sent. Of course we can ask someone to clarify, but why publish obvious BS that needs to be explained. It actually raises more questions than it seeks to answer. Polite inquiry? You go right ahead as they politely continue to screw you.

[falconeasydriver]

Moose, I agree entirely with you, I was merely attempting to maintain a level of subtlety with my reply, after all we can't have delicate sensibilities damaged by stating the blindingly obvious can we :E

[Rim-job]

Great, so now I have to bring my own pillows.... and lunch. :E

I wonder how the pax will feel when I stroll through the terminal with my own personal pillow in tow... LOL. :}

I can see it now...

[donpizmeov]

What a bunch of muppets. If they spent more time with their heads out of their @rses our leave may have been sorted by now.
I wonder what other parts of the OMA that if complied with will also lead to "serious consequences".


But please go the extra mile.


The Don

[ManaAdaSystem]

I did not get this update.

[fliion]

The freighter flights are catered with pillows, blankets, mattresses, sandwiches, multiple meals, biscuits, uniform dust removers!, Arabic and English newspapers for the crew etc, etc.

Working on that logic ...It is my assumption that this is also done for the pax flights but mixed with the others. (Or is it their intention to treat box flyers to a higher standard of luxury to people movers)

Yet another example of spraying the machine gun left, right and center because of a small minority who take the p***.

EK middle management...majestic in its simplicity..."hang 'em all"

f.

[ManaAdaSystem]

We don't have any freighter aircraft.

[QCM]

Cute raccoons begging for food - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UKJYu2_5LBE)

Note they already begged for eye shades...:cool:

[CaptainChipotle]

A follow up email was just sent.

Any unused premium class meals will be offered to economy passengers at a cost. Any unused meals after economy passengers will be offered to the flight crew and paid for in the form of salary deduction.

There will be pursers or FG1's from certain countries assigned to every flight that will make sure everything runs "smoothly".

Also, in our new "uniform bags" will be a rollup mattress filled with small nails and tacks that we are to use in the CRC. As far as controlled rest is concerned, your seat is soft enough!



CC

…hopefully my sarcasm doesn't offend anyone.

[Outatowner]

Thank you gents, now we can expect the get-out-of-jail clause to be removed from the OM-A and the items on the freighter to be cut off. It does my head in the things people post here to give ideas to the twits in management who can't think it through for themselves. Talk about being our own worst enemy sometimes...

Varmint, nobody took a meal off the airplane. Someone (most of us) took a pax meal and ate it, at work, on the airplane. No one's taking food home, maybe he ate a passenger meals instead of the crappy crew meal and some snotty back-stabbing CC reported him and this is the response. Or maybe it was some asshole who bullied the CC into providing a pax meal before the orders had been taken which personally I've never seen happen in all my years but they say it does happen. If so, these assholes deserve what they get for being stupid. There are and always will be ways of getting what you like.

But Varmint don't go thinking it's okay to take food off the airplane. Not that I defend these cretins but it's called pilfering and it's no different to most other airlines. It's the most basic common sense, and stealing salad dressing (as has happened a lot) makes us all look like twats. Just use your allowances.

I don't know why you fellas even read the updates. I dont know why you even open the inbox except to get your rosters...:confused:

And if it's not in the OM-A or the Employee Regs then ignore it! Certainly please don't post it here.

[Trader]

Odd how you now have to fight to get duvets catered for the CRC on ULR's...........or how they now only cater 2 meals (usually fish and pasta) for flight deck on a 6 hr plus flight- so that you have ONE meal over a 9-12 hour day (2 hours prior pick up and then after flight to hotel)...........or how some hotels do not have food available during the night........................

I agree- don't take stuff off the aircraft. But get BOTH sides of the equation right please!

[fliion]

I see "Sitty" is back under a new name.

Oh lord.

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[Al Murdoch]

What Outatowner said.

[fliion]

Lol!

Nothing would make me happier than having an OM-A change as a result of a post I made. It would be very satisfying to witness that level of petty mindedness at work.

As to the Gulf News or lack thereof - I download my papers onto iPad and read strictly while outside the flight deck ; > - as against every trainer I've flown with.

OTT (pun intended) try not to insult everyone around you when making a point .. Soft skills old chap...soft skills...

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[Panther 88]

Would someone PLEASE get that gentleman a proof reader. That's two in two weeks that if applied the LETTER of the law (like we are made to with our SOPs) we couldn't eat or drink in uniform, only have coffee/tea brought from home, as earlier posted dragging a pillow and blanket through the terminal etc, etc. I know if I were the SVP of anything, I would sure make sure that anything that went out with my name attached was not "what the captain meant to say". OTOH, maybe it's exactly what he meant to say. Can't read the man's mind.........

[ekwhistleblower]

Don't worry boys I've found the new crew meals!

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c82-RJxdFK4

[Snake man]

Perhaps it would be appropriate to look at this letter in a different light:
I believe that some of our pilots, whilst playing the "humble game" when they first arrive in Dubai, slowly find their sense of self-entitlement growing beyond reasonable proportions as the years go by. Finally, when they reach the left seat, this over-inflated sense of self-entitlement has reached unhealthy proportions, and they get into trouble.
Demanding a duvet, when there are only enough to cover the amount of 1st class passengers, or duck-starter, or whatever else, is going to generate a report from the cabin crew. Not because they are vindictive, but because if a 1st class passenger complains that he couldn't have the lamb-shanks; that report is going to filter all the way through cabin services, to catering, and finally end at the purser's feet. When the purser says that Captain Precious demanded the lamb-shanks, this is going to end at AS's feet. And then he's going to have to respond. First response: kick Captain Precious in the jack. Second response: put out an e-mail to all, so that it doesn't happen again.
Is the e-mail reasonable? I think at the very least it's understandable. Is it well written? Quite frankly, I think that some of the workforce is so hostile, that even a letter penned by Hemingway himself, would meet with derision.
The point is: do all the chaps with unhealthy levels of self-entitlement get the message? Calm down, precious. Occasionally you might have to rough it, and sleep with one pillow, not two. You might sleep with a blanket, not a duvet. And yes, you might not get the duck starter.
Enough nonsense now.

SM

[Panther 88]

Snake, I don't think anyone would really disagree with what you say. And that I believe is what the spirit of the missive was "meant" to be. But that is not what his words said. It should not be up to us to try and interpret what a man in his position is trying to convey. Maybe I should try and interpret what the OM-A says. How's that going to work out.

First he says eating or drinking whist in uniform. Not while transiting the terminal or whatever, simply eating or drinking in uniform. Next comes NOTHING boarded for the passengers is to be used......That implies to me everything; soft drinks, coffee, tea, leftover rolls or whatever. That's what the gentleman said. So imagine if this email gets to some grade 2. How do they interpret it? You tell me.

Words have meaning. You are interpreting his intention just like some CC might. Who's to say who is right?

[flareflyer]

Dear SM,
i read the email, english is not my first language but as you said i found it pretty simple and properly written (for my level of english).
I think the problem is not about what the email says, the problem is that because the employees have been so poorly managed and completely disrespected that even proper requests (as this one) are not welcome.
Since when i joined ek i improved my English (At least i believe.....:)) and i learnt many phrases ........ the one i would use in this case is: You reap what you saw

Flare

[fliion]

Panther & fare flyer hit the nail on the head - spot on.

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[Praise Jebus]

Hey Flare it's sow mate, sow....you reap what you sow...

[Gulfstreamaviator]

SAW is most apt........ Glf

[flareflyer]

thanks gulf......:}
As you can see i keep learning.....

[Wizofoz]

Anyone notice the weekly update was 'withdrawn"??

[donpizmeov]

For the info later in the email I think Wiz.

[falconeasydriver]

Those things contain info Don?

[donpizmeov]

Not as anonymously as we are lead to believe it would seem.

[ruprecht]

We've been getting these types of emails at QF for the last 3 years...:hmm:

The codesharing must now include the Qantas Department of Obvious.

ruprecht

[nosewheelfirst]

Crew Transport now not using SZR to save on Salik my driver told me.

[halas]

An FG1 recently told me that a certain "local" captain (Who is well known for all the wrong reasons) demands caviar even if the company regs for doing so are not met. This includes yelling racist put-downs in earshot of the punters in row one when she said no.
She knew she could not win that battle so did what he wanted.
It appears that someone has decided to indeed take that one on.
Waste of time.
This will be a never ending circle as nothing will change.

halas

[Emma Royds]

A bedouin eating caviar.... it's enough to make you think that they have evolved into being a civilised part of society! :}

Are we talking about the same skipper who bears a resemblance to this character in looks and voice? (minus the copious amounts of hair!)

http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/wallpapers/155755/general-aladeen-mobile-wallpaper.jpg

[Al Murdoch]

I think the Captain in question has more medals.

[thehonourablefong]

What do people think of the follow up email from today?

I thought (and I know pretty much exactly what several of you are going to say) that it's a much more appropriately written email - less of the whipping style (of course some people enjoy that), the bit about the 777 is something I was surprised to see too - not just 'The 777 seats aren't going to be changed', as I would have expected usually, but an explanation as to why they won't be, and even mention of the future of 777 seats - for those who wanted to know...not me by the way.

Alan, seeing as this thread is doubtlessly being watched along with the other EK ones, I for one will put my hand up and say generally, the pilots more than anything (well, pay that keeps up with the cost of living would be nice as well) want a bit of respect, and while appreciating that some try to ruin it for the majority, is there any chance that we could keep relations on the track of this email, as opposed to just getting beaten up from above?

People might even start smiling again...

[halas]

If l remember Emma, the story line was impossible dictator slips through the cracks, becomes a nobody and realises what a c*nt he has been by female who (for what ever reason) takes him under her wing.

The Dilak who works here would never understand that line and will never fall between the cracks.

He will always be a pain that does not go away. Therefor we will continue to get these emails from TCAS.

Look forward to his requests for whole roster for days off……again.

halas

[Desdihold]

Regarding the issue of seat design, I believe a bigger factor is actually the amount of time we spend sitting in the seat. We could have the best seats ever designed but we would still suffer from back pain due to the duration of the flights.

The reality of the spine is that it is also a hydraulic shock absorber The longer we are upright or sitting the more compressed that shock absorber becomes, hence the reason that the medical community suggests eight hours of sleep a night. The eight hours of sleep allows the spine to decompress after the effects of gravity throughout the day.

Unfortunately it is to the point where I normally have to start my day with two advills before I can get up, this is because of the back pain I have only started to suffer since working for emirates and the associated longer schedule.

90+ hours per month, every month just hurts!

[Outatowner]

Fong, the begging is unbecoming. One civilised email does not a pay rise make. Nothing important is going to improve although I've heard there might be another issue of oven mitts coming our way this year which is almost as good as more cash.

The discussion on seat quality is just a distractor and it probably worked on the less jaded.

[max AB]

Oven Mitts.....now you're talking....extra two miles for me.!