Drive In - Drive Out Hangars.

[Guptar]

Just watched a video where a guy in the USA had a Kingair on his private airstrip. His hangar had auto opening doors at both ends so he taxied in to his parking bay, shut down and the rear doors closed. When he started up, both forward and aft hangar doors were open and powered out. He even had something like sunroof panels on his hanger roof that opened up presumably for ventilation, so he could refuel whilst parked in the hanger. Obviously he was not short of money. The FAA he said had no problems as it was on a private strip.

Would CASA allow this in Oz.

[deadcut]

Do you have a link to the video? Sounds awesome.

[falconx]

some have already tried, unfortunately our OHS regulations won't allow

[Mach E Avelli]

There is a CAO somewhere that prohibits running engines within x metres of a building (I forget and anyway, don't carry a tape measure with me when I fly), so you won't ever see drive through hangars on public airfields.
But on private property it happens more often than CASA know, or probably even care.
If it is pouring with rain or 50 degrees in the shade, given the facility, I know what I would do......
I recall a hilarious account of someone firing up a Robbo helicopter in a hangar and actually hover-taxying it out. All went well until he whacked a tree just outside the doors. The insurance claim must have been creative!

[Capt Claret]

There is a CAO somewhere that prohibits running engines within x metres of a building

CAO 20.9, Section 5.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

There is a CAO somewhere that prohibits running engines within x metres of a building (I forget and anyway, don't carry a tape measure with me when I fly), so you won't ever see drive through hangars on public airfields.

Except for YBTL ! :confused:

[haydnc]

The RFDS has taxi through shelters, they start near buildings, no they dont have walls or automatic doors.

http://www.flyingdoctor.org.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/RFDS%20launches%20Patient%20Transfer%20Shelter%20at%20Burnie %20Airport.pdf

https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=wynyard+airport&hl=en&ll=-40.994731,145.727259&spn=0.003616,0.008256&sll=-32.830735,147.451465&sspn=17.134248,33.815918&t=h&z=18

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Re the OH&S 'issue'.....

Haven't the Commonwealth Gummint (RAAF) had these taxi thru shelters - buildings - for years..????

So where IS the LAW there..??
'Precedent set'.

(Don't have a photo to hand, but RAAF Pearce have these, and presumably many other bases as well...)

No cheers:ugh:

[Capt Claret]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if CAO 20.9, and many others, was not applicable to the defence forces.

Bograt?

[BPA]

They RAAF got their 'carports' at Amberley, East Sale and Pearce in the 80's, Willy got them in the late 90's or early 00's.

Not to mention all the FBO's in the USA that have large 'carports' that allow jets to taxi in and out. Given the high rates of skin cancer in Australia, Australian airports and FBO's should be pushing for changes to the regulations.

[Jetjr]

Pretty sure theres a few rows of them at Mildura

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Hi 'CC',

Appreciated that the 'Services' - RAAF - do not have to conform to the 'civil' rules, however the C'wealth Gummint OH&S must still apply...??

Cheers:ok:

[Rogan82]

You are correct, the rules do apply until they come into conflict with a operational necessity. Then defenses' own risk management framework comes into play. Otherwise you would be breaking the OH&S rules by having someone fire a bullet at you. That would make the core business of war-fighting very difficult!

Those structures to contain RAAF aircraft have many different uses; keep the sun of while doing hours of maintenance, containing a weapon blast should it go off accidentally, amongst others.

[anonymouspilot]

China Southern have taxi in, taxi out shelters for about 20 aircraft in Merredin. That's a private aerodrome, I'm not sure if that makes a difference, but they refuel undercover too. I'd say they're a godsend given the temps out there and the canopy on the Grob.

[Jack Ranga]

Rest assured that the worlds best aviation regulator has your safety at heart :ok: also rest assured that if that regulator doesn't nail your arse (for doing something perfectly safe) there will be at least 40 state or federal laws you will have broken ;)

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Gee Mr Rogan,

I weally weally didn't mean to include the OH&S issues connected with actually pwosecuting a WAR!!!

'Those' structures also are there for the aircraft to taxi into / out of,
keep them and the equipment 'cool', and protected, and for the suited up pilots etc etc....

That does not change any associated 'risk', if any, so why not have 'common sense' prevail..??

(Silly Billy man Griff, common sense.... just ain't common no more....)


Cheers:p

[Rogan82]

Thanks for the value add Griff!

Spotters like yourself are truly enlightening.

[601]

What is the difference between driving a car or an aircraft into a carport other than the CAO?

The aircraft would not notice.

[Jabawocky]

WHO GIVES A FORK

[Up-into-the-air]

Hear Hear Jabba

Just shows how far out of whack the regs are

[rioncentu]

A local on again off again aerodrome had an open ended hangar for drive thru agg operations. Floor was a very crappy bitumen seal with all the loose rock chips in it.


I was in there one day when a Seneca taxied in and it was like the OK Coral - Ricochets going everywhere. Not a good look.

[Tinstaafl]

Used to drive in & out of the hangar in Shetland from time to time when the weather was filthy. Ice on the apron prevented the tug from getting the plane into the hangar sometimes, and filthy weather in winter made it a better option to load ambulance patients while still in the shelter of the heated hangar's interior instead of out in the snow, sleet & gales.

[Typhoon650]

Why not have a downslope leading to the hangar from entry side and continuing through the hangar? Line up outside, cut engines with some momentum on the aircraft and coast to a stop.
When leaving, just let gravity do the job.
There are always ways around asinine regulations.

[TBM-Legend]

The military have been driving in and out of shelters and double door hangars for eons.....no dramas.

[Jack Ranga]

F@rk, how do they manage that?? Special exemption to moron legislation?

[sprocket check]

.. and get a free of charge hangar wash everytime you get a half decent downpour..

And I can imagine approaching the airfield operator "we'd like to put a meter high hill 20 meters in front of our hangar so we can coast in" :ugh:

[Typhoon650]

They've been doing this thing with concrete for a while now, they call it drainage. The idea is you put surface drains with grates at doorways. It's pretty cool...don't know if it'll catch on though.
And you wouldn't need a METER high hill either, just a gentle downslope the last 5-10 metres to keep momentum up.
But hey, keep nitpicking every post you can, must make your day.

[sprocket check]

I am no nitpicking oh windy one. I have had just a little practice with earthmoving and hangars and I think your idea is so _impractical_ it puts it in the IQ of less than 45 category.

Don't forget that apart from getting the aircraft into the hangar, you might like to get it out some time... uphill.