Helicopter damaged in car accident

[Spunk]

Helicopter damaged in car accident (http://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Region/Langenhagen/Nachrichten/Hubschrauber-bei-Auffahrunfall-beschaedigt) (article in german):

Content:
On the Autobahn A352 near Hannover a car crashed into a trailer carrying an AS355. Reason is unknown.
First investigation say that during an overtaking manoeuvre the driver of the "Sprinter" towing the helicopter didn't see the approaching Audi.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Aucky]

and another... :}

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[Ready2Fly]

Quite a while ago but still "impressive"...

ASN Aircraft accident 31-MAY-2008 Robinson R44 ZS-RKW (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=20267)

The accident mentioned at the beginning is "a little different", though.

[Flyting]

http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20center/accidents%20&%20incid/reports/2008/8505.pdf

Turned off the HYD instead of the intercom on the cyclic..... :ugh:
... and I'm guessing while trying to do a bit of showboating for the cameras
:D

[ShyTorque]

Aucky, and we can thank stupid folk like the pilot in your video link for things like the 1,000 foot rule. In UK he would have been hauled over the coals for even getting the aircraft there in the first place, let alone for wazzing onlookers and breaking the 500 rule in the worst possible way whilst being totally incompetent. :ugh:

[Hughes500]

Shy

Why

1000ft rule / 600m and be able to alight etc etc
500ft rule absolved if landing and taking off normal aviation etc etc

So you can land with 500ft of a road! I can name you loads of airfields where an ac is within 500 ft of a road. Heathrow to name just one !!!!

[ShyTorque]

Hughes500,

UK based pilots (the accident pilot obviously isn't) are required to comply with the ANO's low flying regulations. Those regulations are in place to prevent pilots from doing things in or over congested areas that may result in accidents and cause injury or damage to folks on the ground.

If you are UK based and think the events depicted on the video comply with CAA low flying regs, for flight in/over congested areas, or were in accordance with "normal aviation procedure" I suggest you re-read them.

Operating from airfields (licensed or government) is a different matter and are allowed for within the regulations.

The accident clearly occurred outside of the terms "takeoff or landing" and "normal aviation practice". It appears to be the result of a botched attempt at a low fly by of the departure point.

A question for you: Have you ever applied for, successfully received and operated in accordance with a CAA Rule 5 permission to operate to/from a congested area?

[Ready2Fly]

We are getting way off topic...

Landing without prior permission does say something about the general attitude me thinks but does not contribute to the accident. He did land there before obviously without any issues.

In favour of the pilot, the accident itself can be seen as "bad luck" mixing up the HYD switch with the speaker switch (for whatever reason the whole maneuver is good for ... just playing devil's advocat).

But afterall his reasoning shows a kind of deficit sitting between two ears...
1.18.8 The pilot stated in writing and indicated during an interview, that one of the
passengers onboard the helicopter requested him to land again in order to pick up a
camera man, who was still on the ground. The passengers, in turn, each provided
written statements to the investigator-in-charge wherein they stated that they did not
request the pilot to land again after becoming airborne. They indicated that there
was no space on board the helicopter for a fifth person, as all four seats on the
helicopter were already occupied.

If you do something wrong, at least accept full responsibility for your actions. :=

[chopjock]

If that was me, I'm sure I could argue myself out of it.

[Ready2Fly]

But you would not argue to land for a fifth passenger to board your JR filled 1+4 already, would ýou...

To me this kind of behaviour shows a certain state of mind ... landing permission: don't care ... 5min TO limit: oh well ... MTOW: what's that for? ... low fuel light: na, i've seen that one quite often... :ugh:

We all make mistakes(, don't we?). That's not the point. The point is, how you deal with it, isn't it?

[ShyTorque]

We are getting way off topic...

I disagree. The pilot tried a stupid and blatantly unsafe manoeuvre that he was incapable of carrying out due to his own incompetence. He crashed and tried to cover up the circumstances leading to the crash during the accident investigation. He is lucky not to be involved in a manslaughter case.

My point was that stupidity like this makes the authorities put in place blanket restrictions on all of us.

[Ready2Fly]

Shy, the thread was about a car that 'crashed' into a helicopter on a highway. That's why.

[Hughes500]

Shy

Actually a CP of an AOC company so yes. Seeing as you weren't there you cant make those comments. Perhaps he had permissions. I could name you hundreds of sites that a road is within 50 m of the landing site. I have a permanent exemption from the low flying rule, down to 60m for aerial photography and to zero when on loadlifting operations
Just getting permission to land a Huey in the middle of Sheffield from Lawrence at the Belgrano.

[TRC]

Perhaps he had permissions.
Maybe you should read the accident report above. He was outside the law in so many ways.

[Hughes500]

TRC

No I haven't but fair enough if he was outside the law, will take your word for it as cant be bothered to read it now as its been a long day in the saddle

[Captino]

Can I be the smart a** on this one please..... Thanx.

You can see in the Vid. that it is an ASTRO, so no mixing up the Switches.

:8

[evil7]

Just my thought - how about an Astro beeing upgraded with hydraulics and can´t be arsed to rewrite the "Astro" into "Raven"??

Who´s the smart a*** now??:p:ok:

But still off-topic. This was about cars hitting helicopters - not vis-a-versa:E

[Captino]

Sorry for beeing a smarta** , next time I read the Report bevor I start writing...:( But they serously Need to put a bottle of Tipex in the Box they send the Hyd conversion in. Just to erase that ASTRO, so People don´t get confused... :)

[ShyTorque]

Shy

Actually a CP of an AOC company so yes. Seeing as you weren't there you cant make those comments. Perhaps he had permissions. I could name you hundreds of sites that a road is within 50 m of the landing site. I have a permanent exemption from the low flying rule, down to 60m for aerial photography and to zero when on loadlifting operations
Just getting permission to land a Huey in the middle of Sheffield from Lawrence at the Belgrano.

The problem wasn't the landing or the departure per se, he may well have had permissions to land and takeoff from there.
But look again at the video. Read the accident report. Then look at the video again and read between the lines of the pilot statement.
He stated that he was trying to land back to pick up a further passenger. The approach doesn't look like any successful approach I've ever seen.

What about the control of safety of persons on the landing site, which the CAA obviously mandate? I quote a few paragraphs from a typical permission I have here:

"The said helicopter shall not fly pursuant to this permission:

(iii) Unless that in the event of failure of a power unit the said helicopter could alight without danger to persons or property on the surface at any time.

(iv) Unless the Operator has ensured that adequate measures have been taken at the said site to ensure that the aircraft does not endanger persons or property on the ground.

(f) Any landing or takeoff shall not be made closer than 20 metres from any person, vehicle or structure".

That said, the incident didn't occur in UK. Different rules may apply.

[Freewheel]

El Capitano,

When Robinson first provided hydraulics for the 44 it was available only as an option for new production Astros.

Since nobody bought one without the option, it was made standard and the Raven came into being.

Otherwise, carry on.:ok: