Jet Orientation Course

[finalcheck]

I think about doing a JOC after my MCC - both because it sounds interesting and it may improve my chances in screenings/assessments. My experience until now is about 400 hours TT on SEP and MEP, fresh fATPL.

Has anybody done this? Do you have recommendations for providers in (central) Europe? Or rather warnings?;)

A quick Google search resulted in an offer from Intercockpit, which looked professional, but also quite steeply priced at more than 4k Euros.

[booze]

Hi,

Check CAVOK in Hungary. The best price as far as i know and it's done on a A320 FNPT2.

[finalcheck]

Thanks Philham and Booze.

Any other suggestions?

[OhNoCB]

If you don't mind coming to the UK, CRM Aviation Europe do it for £699 including vat.

[Vone Rotate]

Make sure you use a full flight sim consisting of 20 hrs.

In my experience the carriers who specify they want a JOC require this. Not saying all but the ones I've seen ask for this

[botkdo87]

Hey finalcheck!

Are you really going to do the JOC? I believe you want to attend Wizzair in Bucharest, right? I might be going too, but I do not have a JOC, I have a MCC on B737-300 FNPT II.

[weedman1990]

Just a quick question guys;

I went to the open day in oxford on the weekend and one of the guys who was speaking said that the simulators are nothing like the level d simulators used by a lot of other companies. What i want to know is what is different about the oxford simulators compared to the level d simulators being used by other companies?

If anyone has any information about this please let me know.

Thanks

[ZFT]

What i want to know is what is different about the oxford simulators compared to the level d simulators being used by other companies?

About US$10 M

[virtualaviation]

US$10M... good answer!

The more relevant difference is that the simulator at Oxford is not type-specific, but (I believe) 'BASED' on a 737 Classic. I am not sure if it uses genuine Boeing 737-400 flight dynamics?

Not many companies use Level-D full flight simulators for JOC, because the motion is not necessary. FFS sims are mainly used for type rating training and recurrent training.

[moggiee]

The more relevant difference is that the simulator at Oxford is not type-specific, but (I believe) 'BASED' on a 737 Classic. I am not sure if it uses genuine Boeing 737-400 flight dynamics?
It will use a flight model that is very close indeed to that of a Full Flight Sim. The approval as a "generic" jet is mainly a cost issue (allowing it to be certified as an FNPT2 rather than FFS) but it should look and feel very much like an FFS when it comes down to it. As long as it handles and performs like the real thing (it will) then it will be perfectly acceptable for MCC and JOC.

Of more relevance is the quality of the instruction and the course syllabus - I would expect both of those at OAA to be good.

[MARCOFLY]

Hi Everyone,
I need to know your recent experience about Mcc+Joc course.
Where did you do it or where are you doing it?
Can you suggest me any place?

[finalcheck]

Are you really going to do the JOC? I believe you want to attend Wizzair in Bucharest, right? I might be going too, but I do not have a JOC, I have a MCC on B737-300 FNPT II.

Sorry for the late answer. I have decided to do the JOC with sim4u in Berlin. Most likely in early December.

[finalcheck]

Just a short report after having done the JOC at sim4u:

It was a fun experience and very educative at the same time. Having done my MCC at another provider who put a lot of emphasis on procedures and callouts, I especially enjoyed the fact that this course focused on hand flying - from approaches to airwork to visual traffic patterns.

The 737NG FNPT II looks and feels great. My training partner and I were very satisfied with the instruction and in fact booked 2 sim hours extra at the end of the course.

We both consider going back to sim4u when the time arrives to prepare for airline screenings :) ...