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chopper2004
15th Oct 2013, 15:43
Has China cloned the Apache? Images emerge showing lookalike of America's deadliest assault helicopter being transported on the back of a truck | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460470/Has-China-cloned-Apache--Images-emerge-showing-lookalike-Americas-deadliest-assault-helicopter-transported-truck.html)

Dash8driver1312
15th Oct 2013, 16:33
Other than calling it a -D being clutching at straws (no Longbow radar fitted in this image), it could be an empty shell, one bought elsewhere, or only a model.

The Apache is old tech. Effective, but old. Nothing surprising or shocking in its build, only in the latest datalink and maybe radar.

Not only that, you got this from the Daily Fail. Take about a cup of salt with this story.

hoodie
15th Oct 2013, 16:52
Dash8: The forward avionics bay 'cheeks' identify it as a D, not an -A; you don't need to see a Longbow radar (and not all Ds have them anyway).

TheWestCoast
15th Oct 2013, 16:59
Probably a full size replica at The China Aviation Museum - referred to here:

The China Aviation Museum (http://www.china.org.cn/english/kuaixun/72761.htm)

and here:

Beijing This Month- China Aviation Museum (http://www.btmbeijing.com/contents/en/btm/2001-04/springspecial/aviation)

dervish
15th Oct 2013, 17:35
It would amaze these journalists what state of the art kit we allow to be sold to the Chinese. Often they have no need to clone.

TEEEJ
15th Oct 2013, 20:12
WestCoast,

The replica in the museum looks like it is based on an A model?

apache | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12213725@N03/1481456748)

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2008/august/features/CAM14.jpg

Willard Whyte
15th Oct 2013, 20:23
I suppose we're in for several years of forum denial, a-la aircraft carrier.

TEEEJ
15th Oct 2013, 22:57
It is likely to be a replica. Possibly the one now in the Expo Park in Zhenhai

http://www.zhxww.net/zhnews4075/upfile/201107/20110718101240-0.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W9Gb75-nLaM/T1SlmQdJbRI/AAAAAAAABQM/0zPq7guXw8I/s640/PICtemp1.jpg

Link to Zhenhai Expo Park website (http://www.zhxww.net/zhuanti/2011/fkbly/)

China Air Defense Expo Park to Open in Zhenhai
2010-01-12 12:19:43
The other day, China Air Defense Expo Park, the first place in China for the exhibition and education of national air defense, laid its foundation in Zhenhai, Ningbo City. This indicates that Ningbo is in the forefront of China in the education of national defense.

China Air Defense Expo Park is to rely on the Education Base of the Zhenhaikou Coastal Defense and to make use of the air defense facilities in the Zhaobao Mountain Scenic Spot. The total investment for the project is 180 million yuan. With an area of 40,000 sq meters, and a floorage of 18,500 square meters, it is expected to be a place for exhibition, research, cultural exchanges and tourism as well as an education base for patriotism and heroism.

The park will consist in an exhibition hall, an area of air defense tunnels and an exhibition area for weapons. By such means as multimedia, pictures and personal participation, it aims to systematically popularize the knowledge of air defense.

So far, the design and expert approval for China Air Defense Expo Park has been completed. The work for gathering exhibits has started and the park is estimated to open on October 1, 2011.

China Air Defense Expo Park to Open in Zhenhai (http://english.ningbo.gov.cn/art/2010/1/12/art_46_219374.html)

TEEEJ
17th Oct 2013, 13:28
I had a look on Google Earth at the Zhenhai Expo Park and noted that there were a few images linked in Panoramio. I think what the AH-64 Apache trailer images show is the view from an entrance to the Expo Park showing the front of the building with the wooded mountain/hillside in the background? There is also an historical building on the right with the walls visible in the trailer images. It appears that the images were taken when the replica AH-64 Apache was delivered to the Expo Park.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/qn525fc784.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/yw525fd023.jpg

Blow up from panoramio image.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/xo525fdb5d.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/tq525fdb6e.jpg

Link to images of the Expo Park under construction. You can zoom into the images.

Panoramio - Photo of ???--????1 (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/50494563)

Panoramio - Photo of ??????????? (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/50400800)

Just This Once...
17th Oct 2013, 17:13
Wonder why they copied the UK version?

downsizer
17th Oct 2013, 17:33
Kickback from westlands?

Always a Sapper
17th Oct 2013, 17:54
Got the plans from a skip somewhere on site?

Tin foil hat ON

Or (surprise, surprise) that Chinese made bit of IT kit sat in the corner not only works as a router for the owner but also allows the maker to get back door access to goodies stored on the network.

Tin foil hat OFF

NutLoose
17th Oct 2013, 18:00
Well the real one at Duxford on Sunday displaying was third time lucky, the other two went tech so the had to generate a third Apache to display.

Watched the Tucano at the same show and the commentary was cringeworthy... Sad and indicative of how bad things are...

Commentary went something like

And right on time I give you the Tucano, courtesy of our watches supplied by Breitling watches.. Though the weather isn't good we are nice and dry courtesy of coats provided by XYZ company...

chopper2004
17th Oct 2013, 19:28
@ NutLoose, yep I attended and took these, shame about the weather, but great display to end the airshow season of 2013 :)

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/longranger/WAH64D_2_zps25d87a9c.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/longranger/WAH64D_1_zpseb6df04d.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/longranger/WAH64D_3_zps3b39cfd3.jpg

Cheers

TheWestCoast
17th Oct 2013, 22:31
Excellent work, TEEEJ.

Buster Hyman
17th Oct 2013, 23:42
Never mind the Apache...they've cloned a cadillac!!!!!

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/tq525fdb6e.jpg

NutLoose
18th Oct 2013, 00:02
No accounting for taste then.

Geezers of Nazareth
18th Oct 2013, 08:45
Only thing is ... out there it's a 'Cadirrac'.

Echo 5
19th Oct 2013, 17:37
Ah, just realised you are on about another type of Longbow :ugh:

The history of the middle finger

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Well, now......here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it, I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the hope that they, too, will feel edified. Isn't history more fun when you know something about it? Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous English longbow was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or "pluck yew").

Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, See, we can still pluck yew! Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodentals fricative F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute! It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird."

IT IS STILL AN APPROPRIATE SALUTE TO THE FRENCH TODAY!
And yew thought yew knew every plucking thing.



PS: Apologies to the gentleman who sent the above to me via Email.

Tourist
19th Oct 2013, 18:27
Some Americanised but trueish, some dubious/totally made up.

It was not the middle finger al la Yanks,
it is two fingers in the British style as one might use to draw a bow..

Somph
21st Oct 2013, 12:34
Check snopes . com for some realistic information on this. I was at a military museum last weekend, and there was a bowman trained in "longbow" usage. His commentary also included the fact that most "longbowmen" would use THREE fingers to draw the arrow. Modern-day bowmen trying to draw 180lb longbows also found that three fingers to be the best way of maintaining a 6-arrow-per-minute fire rate over sustained periods of time.

Signed,
Confused of Tunbridge Wells

Echo 5
21st Oct 2013, 16:50
Tourist and Somph,

The content of my post #19 whether accurate or total bollox is totally irrelevant. The whole point was to have a lighthearted poke at the Frogs. ;)

Ian Corrigible
23rd Oct 2013, 14:28
Back on topic, even though in this particular instance the clone appears to have been an Airfix knock-off, the desire is still there.

People's Daily: WZ-10 is a starting point, China will develop heavy-duty armed helicopter (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/148875/china-to-develop-heavy-attack-helicopter.html)

I/C