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chopper2004
18th Sep 2013, 07:48
I thought I was imagining things when I picked up this latest edition of Helico Revue magazine at Innsbruck Flughafen last week. But there's an article on attack helicopter marketplace but didn't pay much attention until retread the title saying about the Swiss doing a study / considering adding dedicated AH capability to their Air Force (?)

Wonder how serious they're considering it let alone the budget re, scrapping Patrouiile de Suisse

Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Cheers

Failed_Scopie
18th Sep 2013, 09:35
Why on earth would they? What conceivable threat does Switzerland face that would justify the expense and complexity of adding attack helicopters to their inventory? Ditto for Austria...

4ROCK
18th Sep 2013, 11:36
We did................!!!

ShotOne
19th Sep 2013, 19:01
Surely they are a very cost effective way of defending a country like Switzerland. It's neutrality policy has never amounted to one of disarmament. One flight of helicopters potentially does the job of scores of armoured vehicles at a fraction of the cost.

West Coast
19th Sep 2013, 19:10
I would agree up to the point of saying it comes at a fraction of the cost. Those things ain't cheap, there's a helleva logistical and operational tail following it as well.

ShotOne
19th Sep 2013, 20:18
Agreed, although that's also true of armoured vehicles

500N
19th Sep 2013, 20:23
And AH can go 360 where as the Armoured vehicles
are to an extent limited in where they can travel.

LowObservable
19th Sep 2013, 20:31
I don't know, this looks like fantastic tank terrain to me.

http://braveskimom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ski-alps_1247485i.jpg

500N
19th Sep 2013, 20:36
Slung under a Chinook or in the back of a C17 :O

West Coast
19th Sep 2013, 20:47
500
Tactics would dictate that they can't go everywhere. Guess they could go anywhere but would do so at their own peril.

500N
19th Sep 2013, 20:49
Armoured can't go anywhere.

The other thing to look at is, what if the other side has AH
and you don't, your Amour isn't going to last long having
to combat AH and enemy armoured vehicles.

West Coast
19th Sep 2013, 21:01
Given we're talking about the Swiss and a defensive battle from well established positions, the AH on the aggressor side wont enjoy the tactical advantage a dynamic, moving battlefield provides.

500N
19th Sep 2013, 21:08
Agreed.

And by using the land that they would know so well
to funnel the enemy into Choke Points - I am sure that
many natural one's exist - it all goes in favour of the
defender.

Failed_Scopie
20th Sep 2013, 09:27
The Swiss have plenty of armour:

Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFV)


Leopard 87 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2A4) - Leopard 2A4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2A4) main battle tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_battle_tank) (200 in service)
M113 armored personnel carrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier) (600 in service)
APC 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90) – variant of CV9030 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CV9030) infantry fighting vehicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle) (200 in service)
APC 93 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Piranha) – variant of Piranha II 8×8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Piranha) wheeled APC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armoured_personnel_carrier) (500 in service)
Reconnaissance vehicles 93, 93/97 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Eagle) – variants of Eagle I-II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Eagle) armoured patrol vehicle (300 in service)
M109 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer) self-propelled howitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-propelled_artillery) (200 in service)
Piranha TOW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Piranha) – anti-tank variant of the Piranha I 6×6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOWAG_Piranha) (100 in service)
Source: Swiss Armed Forces: Land forces weapon systems (p. 12)

chopper2004
8th Mar 2021, 12:22
Now according to the article below, theres umming and arrghing of pursuing heavy lift capability.within the Swiss circles. I heard rumors last year there was fishing around, but did not look at it seriously.

https://www.watson.ch/!606766127?fbclid=IwAR01oqcrBmwcCMIWxD71T5w-q6XQGlNf0iI1hqQikWjyDX8HX-tjGkYbBaQ