LTS 101 700D-2 for EC120

[as350nut]

Pleasse someone do an stc for LTS 101 700D2 engine to go in to EC120. Just had a quote for Mod 1 on the Arrius 2f 300k :{ While there at it how about AS350 Gearbox and head and then we would have a Super Helibus:ugh:
Then again if the genius at Eurocopter thought up that name change what hope is there :D

[md 600 driver]

You can't go upgrading the 120 like that you may get something that flys and performs like a gazelle !!!!

[heli1]

Isn't this what the Chinese have done to produce their latest light Heli?

[Never in Balance]

I started a thread awhile ago on what people thought should go on EC120C. I think the LTS101-700D-2 is a little over kill, you could use the LTS101-600A-3A. As you say, needs the rotor head and gearbox beefed up a bit. Also a full FADEC wouldn't hurt either, stop those nasty T4 runaways. I wonder if they'll look making it better now that Bell is thinking of making that new 5 seat machine.
NiB

[Heliringer]

Just buy a AS350 super D2 and get rid of the 120.

[as350nut]

I hear the 600A - 3A is being phased out

[as350nut]

I own a AS350 and love them for commercial work but the EC120 ( just bought one) just seems nicer from a private pilot point of view and a bit less fuel burn. I don't have a great issue with the Arriel 1B because there are lots of options NONE with the Arrius

[Gemini Twin]

No the A-2 and A-3 are being phased our but we can still get the A-3A and the 700D-2. Prices currently range from a zero time since over haul with all new life/cycle limited parts for $344,000.00, to $450,000.00 for a brand new 700D-2.
Yes the 600A-3A would be perfect for the EC120. I wonder if there are enough customers that would change to justify the $500K to $750K cost to certify. The kit cost probably would be similar to the Soloy gold kit for the BA $455,000.00. No FADEC though I'm afraid.

[as350nut]

Well maybe have started the idea now someone will run with it; considering a lot of ec120's are heading towards that 15yr period. There would be a need for Soloy I suppose to get it approved. At the 350,000 end of the price range it would be a goer I think at the 455k - not. I don't see why it costs so much to certify when the engine itself is already out there.

[Ian Corrigible]

Heli-Lynx studied an LTS101-600 conversion for the EC120 a few years back, even going so far as to produce a brochure (which must still be out on the internets somewhere), but the program was never launched.

I/C

[Gemini Twin]

as350nut, check out the FAA FARs and EASA regulations and you will see why the certification efforts cost so much. If such a mod was conducted by an OEM it would be even higher.
The certification investment could easily be absorbed into a total kit price of around $450,000.00 (assume a production run of 100 kits) and remember we are trying to address your opening post of having heart ache over a MOD 1 quote of $300,000! The A-3A kit will have a one time cost $150K more and you will get an "On Condition" fully warrantied engine that doesn't have to go to the factory for O/H or inspection, cost less than $100 an hour to run, will have better limit margins for torque, temp and rpm.
How much will it cost if you had every other item in the 2f overhauled?

[Bender Rodrigez]

I do love the EC120, it is a great machine with a lot of potential. Unfortunately it suffers from an extremely competitive market segment. The R66 probably killed the last chance of seeing a EC120 upgrade.
I can't find anything wrong with the Arrius engine. Low maintenance, low consumption and pretty reliable. Bear in mind that the engine power is limited by the gearbox! I did operate a EC120 a few years ago mainly for training a mountain flying and it was a pretty damn good money maker.
Another thing to consider is the internal EC marketing non-sense: Why do you want to spend the money on a EC120 when you can get a AS350B2! I believe EC should have withdrawn the B2 from the line long time ago.
One thing for sure: you could do a lot better with a EC120. The design is exactly identical to the SA342, only the power is much lower. There's a slight difference in power output between a Arrius 2F and a Astazou 14!