New Boots anyone

[Blue Bottle]

MoD displays new kit for aircrews..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-bespoke-kit-for-military-aircrews

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The apostrophe police will be out to get you for that one;)


Oh and they ask a student on a Tucano sqn to tell us how great the new boot is:ugh:

[CoffmanStarter]

I say "Combat Boots" for aircrew :eek:

These are proper Flying Boots :ok:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/MisterscruffUK/Flying_Boots_1941.jpg

[airborne_artist]

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Oh and they ask a student on a Tucano sqn to tell us how great the new boot is:ugh:


If he's a stude he's a slow learner. He's been there nearly two years ;)

Link 1 (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=20&p=366865#p368537) and link 2 (http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=40116#p258524)

[CoffmanStarter]

What happened to those light brown ankle flying boots issued in the late 70's ... I seem to recall they could only be used on aircraft without ejection seats ?

[RAFEngO74to09]

Coff,

You mean these - they were used by fast-jet aircrew as well:

RAF Lightweight ankle flying boots. Tan soft leather | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAF-Lightweight-ankle-flying-boots-Tan-soft-leather-/180919548342)

They got replaced by these - but I'm not sure exactly when:

RAF Lightweight ankle flying boots. Black soft leather | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAF-Lightweight-ankle-flying-boots-Black-soft-leather-/180695896885)

[Pontius Navigator]

They got replaced as their airships were p**d off by aircrew wandering about with dirty boots. "Sorry Sir, not allowed to polish them."

I sold mine on eBay when they were possible 15 years old and almost like new. I also sold my 1981 issue black boots when they were over 25 years old. Incredible what people will buy.

[Pontius Navigator]

The apostrophe police will be out to get you for that one;)

For us ignorant aircrews, do tell.

The only issue might be the pluralisation if a plural noun.

[Sandy Parts]

Good to see the guys and girls will finally get to be issued with contact lenses (if they prefer) - how long has that taken to sort?!? I recall visiting the RAF Eyeball-docs centre at cranwell about 10 years ago and being told "you'll be getting issued contact lenses next year...." Mind you, did used to enjoy the flight down to London to pop to the old centre followed by a 'fitting' at a Harley St optician:eek: Wonder how much that system cost over the years? Must have taken some specification to get frames that ugly and plastic lenses that scratched on removal from their case:}

[The Helpful Stacker]

Those new boots look just the thing for wandering about the racking in clothing stores.

;)

[CoffmanStarter]

Thanks EngO ... they look a lot smarter than I remember :ok:

Mind you any polish applied made them look like they'd been dipped in PX24 :)

[MG]

I loved my brown boots; as comfy as slippers and I used them on aircraft with or without ejection seats. Still got them, more for nostalgia as heaven knows when I would wear them.

[jonnyloove]

Good to see things are changing with aircrew kit. But how about the rest of the clothing systems Whats happening in regards to Replacing the Mk3 Cold weather flying jackets..?

[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by [email protected]
The apostrophe police will be out to get you for that one

For us ignorant aircrews, do tell.

The only issue might be the pluralisation if a plural noun.

No, I think that is a miss-fire.

And, please sir, I have an O-Level, slightly faded after 60 years.

[CoffmanStarter]

Looks like the CWFJ (aka The A$$ Freezer) is still around ... AP1358 calls it "RAF No 14B Dress" ...

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af162/CoffmanStarter/CWJ_zps3f6eb3ee.jpg

[The B Word]

Does my bum look big in this?..











...yup! :hmm:

[Door Slider]

Good to see things are changing with aircrew kit. But how about the rest of the clothing systems Whats happening in regards to Replacing the Mk3 Cold weather flying jackets..?

The Mk3 Cold weather flying jacket and trousers are being replaced by the Mk4, i believe the first batch has already been issued.

The Mk4 is pretty much the same style but uses modern materials and is warmer, dries out faster etc.... in addition it's actually flame retardent unlike the Mk3.

[TwoTunnels]

I believe that the wearing of DPM and MTP jackets rather than the cold weather jacket has been banned at a certain Lincolnshire base.

Haven't worn my Mk3(?) for 20 years and not going to start now (with Mk4).

At least my rudder and brake control will be better with the new boots!

[The B Word]

Two Tunnels

That would be against the regulation set down in AP1358 Ch 6



0613. DPM Jacket.
A CS95 outer jacket may be worn with flying clothing, in place of a cold weather flying jacket, at the individual's discretion.
And also AP1358 Ch 2


0223. General. No 3 Service Dress covers all forms of operational clothing, including the Personal Clothing System Combat Uniform (PCS CU) and the Combat Soldier 95 (CS95) range (Woodland, desert and multi terrain patterns). Operational clothing is defined as clothing that is required to be worn for operations, operational training and exercises. Operational clothing is issued as part of the initial kitting scale for both male and female personnel. CS95 are issued and worn as authorised in the Air Command Guide to Kitting for Operations and Exercises, held by unit clothing stores. Instructions pertaining to CS95 remain extant until withdrawn from this publication.


With my underline added...

I suggest you carry a copy of these extracts in your pocket :ok:

The B Word

[PTC REMF]

Any idea when they'll be issued? I've been waiting nearly six months for a pair of black flying boots.

[NutLoose]

See they have designed these new ones more along the lines of Combat boots with more emphasis on walking....... Glad to see they are looking ahead to the future.....
Didn't 'itler form Luftwaffe ground combat units when he ran out of planes or fuel for them to fly..

:}

[DITYIWAHP]

Let's hope this will not be not a repeat of the recent Belleville boot debacle. You know, the one where a random chap at Linton was asked to trial the boot's airworthiness potential before it was released to the rest of the UK's military aircrew (allegedly the 'trial' could have involved a quick before lunch full and free check - just saying...). Subsequently the design was apparently rejected, after its introduction to service, for various reasons - from the we fear change "the boot's sole is too stiff for my sensitive feet" to the more worthy flight safety related "my foot got jammed in the yaw pedal and scared me" reasons. I hope that this new boot will not be another example of glossy brochures, reality and a lack of thorough testing all failing to protect the end-user.

No apostrophes were hurt during the making of this diatribe...

[reynoldsno1]

Looks like the CWFJ (aka The A$$ Freezer) is still around ... AP1358 calls it "RAF No 14B Dress" ...

Are the CWFT still around? Like a pair of waders they were, and the braces rubbed one's nipples raw....:ooh:

[Old-Duffer]

The MOD blurb talks about vital missions in Afghan and rescues etc in UK.

Forgive me; but by the time this stuff is available we shall be out of the first place and will have made over the second task to the civvies.

The boots - by the way - look as though they might have a tread,: any FOD hazard here?

[Buster Hyman]

RNZAF flying boots...

http://www.buyuggboots.com.au/kbm/product_images/m/us_tall_lace__44387_thumb.jpg

Awww c'mon...someone had to!

[CoffmanStarter]

Ugg Buster !

[oldmansquipper]

Bl**dy hell - a gestation period of around 20 years finally comes to an end. :eek: No wonder there are still concerns over procurement processes...

I remember staffing the STF for `extreme cold weather flying boots` during the Kosovo push. A boot fitted with a breathable sock insert was chosen (You may think Gortex but I couldn't possibly comment) as the most suitable.

When the Kosovo thing finished, (and in summer), my office received an Incident Report (IR) from a unit just west of the A1 near Stamford, stating that the said boot was too hot. Apparently, the problem was so bad that the wearer took unilateral action to alleviate the problem. He cut the membrane out of the boot.....

Priceless!

PS: I`m sorry but the Mk 4 CWJ the lady is shown wearing (above) just looks awful - A real mess..

[Blue Bottle]

@ Crab - The apostrophe police will be out to get you for that onehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif

Hay Festival 2013: Oxford professor asks for grammar pedants to relax - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10086135/Hay-Festival-2013-Oxford-professor-asks-for-grammar-pedants-to-relax.html)

I do hope the apostrophe police take note of this Oxford professor...:)

[Stitchbitch]

Oldmansquipper, that's because it's a MK.3, also wearing green flying gloves (long gone) and a Mk.14 coverall (also long departed). The MK.4 looks just about as bad, but the material is better (for those on Byphoon, it's almost the same as your winterland jacket but without the balaclava.). A man in the pub said that the boots will go to Tucano first, then others. Rumours of a special version for the Hawk..with flaps:E

[jonnyloove]

Any pics of the new MK4 Jacket..:}

[BEagle]

Any pics of the new MK4 Jacket..:}

Perhaps this:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/LJ_zpscdedafe9.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/nw969/media/LJ_zpscdedafe9.jpg.html)

Worn with a proper cap too - none of those awful chip bag things or plebian berets!

[sled dog]

Agree BEagle, that is real STYLE :cool:

[CoffmanStarter]

BEagle ...

When the "film" was being shot in the 60's ... this lot lobbed into RAF Manston. Some years later I heard a story that an ex RAF BoB Pilot had apparently shouted (partly tongue in cheek) "Get that filth off my airfield" over the R/T :suspect:

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af162/CoffmanStarter/ManstonBattle.jpg

I always thought the modern grey leather Luftwaffe flying jacket looked very smart, practical and comfortable ... and they were "issue" I believe :ok:

[PTC REMF]

Why are they going to 22 Gp before 1 Gp?

[Lima Juliet]

http://www.flying-jacket.com/images/item-photography/raf-uniform--a.jpg

BEags, nowt wrong with a Cnut Cap when worn properly (unlike matey boy above...:=) with an approved RAF Leather Jacket with either flying rig or blues.

LJ

[oldmansquipper]

Stitchbitch; I stand corrected -Mk 3 it is.of course. although in my day the Mk 3 did not have those black zips - nice shiny ones then, and the lady , had she turned up at a certain North Wales Training establishment in the 90s, would have had the pockets ripped from her Mk 14 flying suit as part of a super OM bar-room jolly jape...a real "ripping yarn" if ever there was one!:hmm:

As for the AEA user trials that went on back then - they could be guaranteed to delay any project ad nauseum and the length of delay was usually in proportion to the number of aircrew involved. I.E. 1 aircrew person = 2 opinions, 2 aircrew peeps = 4 opinions and so on...;);)

Mind you, if we (as engineers) wanted anything delayed we would send the file on round robin to the Air Staffs for comment ..Lost for months:)

[blimey]

New boots, never to be enhanced by the addition of flaps.....:{:)

[CoffmanStarter]

Mind you the new F-35 Boot looks interesting ... all those D Rings :E

http://fantasyshoe.com/media/catalog/product/cache/6/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/e/leather_stiletto_side_d-ring_stiletto_boots.jpg

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The original title of this thread was - New Boot's please

Now, unless that was the new boot uttering the word please and, notwithstanding the eminent academic's wish to dumb down the English language further, it was an incorrect use of an apostrophe.;)

[Bastardeux]

Indeed, and should it not now be "new boots, anyone?"

Woe betide anyone who gets in the way of the grammar Stasi.

[Blue Bottle]

@Crab - The original title of this thread was - New Boot's please

Now, unless that was the new boot uttering the word please and, notwithstanding the eminent academic's wish to dumb down the English language further, it was an incorrect use of an apostrophe.

Sorry, the original title of this thread is unchanged, but let's not worry about that :ok:

[switch_on_lofty]

Problem: Boots are unavailable due to a procurement mess up.

Solution: Bemoan the poor use of astro-puffs in an online forum.

Solved!

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Nice try Blue Bottle and you appear to have gone back in time and changed it again;)

[Basil]

Never thought the forage cap smart - dreadful piece of kit.
Just consigned a pair of '65 pattern flying boots to the tip. Great; sewn in tongue; keeps deep water out, but not in frozen lake on survival course - except no tread (could hold stones which will jam controls) Hmm rambling just in from pub - g'night :zzz:

[Willard Whyte]

THESE are proper flying boots.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/vtg-Justin-Snakeskin-Snake-Stitched-Cowboy-Western-Boot-/00/s/NjQwWDQ4MA==/$(KGrHqN,!lsE6CeHSGswBOuIctpqiQ~~60_12.JPG

[NutLoose]

Royal Navy flying boots

http://www.wellywarehouse.co.uk/images/Kidorable_Sheep_boots.jpg

[NutLoose]

Army Air Corp flying boots


http://www.wellywarehouse.co.uk/images/l_woodlandfairy_boots.jpg