Learjet crashes into Building at Valencia.

[JanetFlight]

Unfortunately with victims.

Trágico accidente: dos fallecidos tras estrellarse una aeronave en zona residencial de Valencia (+fotos) (http://www.noticias24.com/venezuela/noticia/166550/una-aeronave-se-estrello-este-domingo-en-una-zona-residencial-de-parque-valencia/)

Aircraft N119FD, 1994 Learjet Inc 60 C/N 029 (http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N119FD.html)

ASN Aircraft accident 05-MAY-2013 Learjet 60 N119FD (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=155779)

What a sad Sunday with 2 fatal crashes....may all RIP:(

[2dPilot]

Sadly two fatalities, but could have been much worse.

English translation (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noticias24.com%2Fvenezuela%2Fnoticia%2F16 6550%2Funa-aeronave-se-estrello-este-domingo-en-una-zona-residencial-de-parque-valencia%2F)

[Dysonsphere]

Better pictures here

En fotos: así quedó la urbanización Parque Valencia luego de estrellarse una aeronave (http://www.noticias24.com/fotos/noticia/8437/en-fotos-asi-se-encuentra-parque-valencia-y-sus-alrededores-tras-caida-de-aeronave/)

Sadly was very non surviable crash.

[Fly380]

Valencia, Venezuela.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Sadly was very non surviable crash.

As a matter of curiosity what other gradations of non survivable crash are there and how does it affect the prognosis for the deceased?

[koi]

Agaricus bisporus:

Don't be silly. Have a look at the history books. There are plenty of examples.

[canadair]

I think he makes a fair point,
"very" non survivable and "just" non survivable really equate to the same thing,

....like saying barely deceased.

not to take away from the original news item.

[galaxy flyer]

If it was classed as "non-survivable" but some trick of fate someone survived, what would it be? UA232 was, I think, non-survivable based on the damages.

[canadair]

I believe the categorization is a result of the outcome...

I am not sure it is much comfort to the family to be told while no one survived, it was a survivable accident.

I think this was unfortunately non survivable.

[westhawk]

Or we could just accept that survivability generally refers to the likelihood that someone might survive and be done with it!

In any case this accident ended up being quite fatal.

Anyone care to offer an opinion on how much useful factual information regarding the circumstances of this crash will be released by the investigating authority?

Flight tracking seems to indicate this aircraft did allot of runs to Florida and throughout the Caribbean. At one time it was an Aero Toy Store owned plane, possibly immediately prior to being transferred to the most recent owner.

[Eclectic]

Re the survivability debate: http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/88487-accident-report-coulthards-lear-35-released.html

[LGW Vulture]

So getting on for three days after the incident the lack of news on this tragedy has resulted in a pin pong of piffle regarding the survivability of accidents. :ugh:

[transilvana]

You may find videos on the net of aircraft shooting missApp at this airport, no Nav aids. On other forums many pilots complaining about the lack of these navaids and how you can´t land in there even with almost no clouds, APP is a pain as you have to maintain visual contact.

Looks like they got disoriented on the approach.

[barit1]

There's a very old saying that the Piper J-3 is the world's safest airplane: It can just barely kill you.

[BaronChotzinoff]

Yes, it would have been a miracle if anyone had survived this crash ...

... but in a country like Spain, where the rites of bullfighting are still endowed with a quasi-mystical significance almost akin to the alignment of the newly-created Catholic church with the old Mithridatic traditions of Ancient Rome ("Drink my blood etc") then perhaps it's just as well there WEREN'T any survivors!!

[Hotel Tango]

May I refer you to post #4. It was in Venezuela!!! :ugh:

[hawker750]

Quote from transilvana "APP is a pain as you have to maintain visual contact"

Excuse me, but is the modern pilot community now declaring visual flying dangerous?
How times have changed.

[transilvana]

First, is Valencia in Venezuela, not Spain

Second, visual approach at that airport it´s a pain, look at videos on youtube or forums in the area, they all report that landing over there is an accident to happen as there are no radio aids (VOR, ILS, NDB.....) Mountain area, low clouds and conditions change within seconds.

Third, I shoot more visual approaches than many around here, it´s an approach that not so many know how to do nowadays in europe and in many airports around you need to have visual contact with the terrain or go away.