Iranian Stealth Fighter "Qaher 313" (for midgets)

[TheWizard]

On Feb. 1, 2013, Iran unveiled its indigenous fighter jet named “Qaher 313″.
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-2-460x320.jpg

Full article here (http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/02/iran-new-stealth-fighter/#.UQzpUlppv0h)

[Just This Once...]

If you were going to build a mock-up for the world to see you would think they would make a little more effort than that!

Will it fly, well if dropped onto that trampoline...

[Courtney Mil]

Wouldn't it be embarrasing if they had their B model up and running before Dave?

It's a rather simplistic peice of propoganda drama. I think we should at least pretend to be very scared. Even scaled up, that could only be an old Viper (as in JP engine) with those intakes. I'd also love to see the flight control software to make that fly.

[AtomKraft]

I think they'e knocked this up from bits of all those US Stealth UAVs they've captured.

Harmless fun.

[dat581]

I think they'e knocked this up from bits of all those US Stealth UAVs they've captured.

Harmless fun.

No it looks 1/32 scale, you can still see the injection molding tabs.

[maxburner]

You have to wonder who this is aimed at. It looks very amateur.

[AtomKraft]

It' needn't be 'for midgets' I think, as it's bigger than a Gnat- and TWO folk could fit in one of those.

Mind you, the Gnat had been designed!

[TEEEJ]

The flying footage looks like a scale model.

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[Runaway Gun]

Ah I forget - what is the Russian phrase for 'fire backwards'? ;)

[MrMachfivepointfive]

Space Above and Beyond.

http://spaceaboveandbeyond.tv/graphics/3view/hh-per.gif

[Milo Minderbinder]

Suicide piloted bomb for the Revolutionary Guards?

[Vitesse]

Why have English warnings stuck on the thing?

It does look very small.

[LowObservable]

First-tier subcontractor, Mahmoud's House of Countertops & Building Supplies. Flight demonstrator by Toys R Us.

[ex-fast-jets]

Surely - if it was for real - it would not have an ejection seat!!

[Kitbag]

Not too dissimilar from this:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8221133287_736480a1a6_z.jpg

and this is definitely a model by an Italian company from the '80s which seems more realistic than the Iranian article.

[ORAC]

Sheeesh. And I bet you guys thought this was a mock up for a movie? You never heard of cover stories like for Argo?........ :hmm:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKzASJXBlqYi70tsyNm13jnRdq0idjtyzdHOFE-YeO711ARuko_Q

[barnstormer1968]

This new fighter does seem to be way ahead of Western aircraft.

The canopy doesn't seem to have any visible locks, and seals purely by butting up against the body.

The multi function displays must be very advanced too as they don't need any form of combing above them, and yet will still be visible in the Strong Iranian sunshine.

[AR1]

That looks a bit 'Qaher' dont you think?..

Yes it looks a little 'Qaher' - sounds a bit like a 'Qaher' too - It's probably a 'Qaher'.

Yes -I shall put it down as a probable 'Qaher'

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee114/AR_1_b/Quher_zpsb5c3cc47.jpg

[monkeytennis]

Have a hi-res of the cockpit. Looks like a car stereo in the middle there! And does that instrument in the top left mean you aren't allowed over 260 knots? (Non flying SLF here) :}

http://i47.tinypic.com/24zxgsw.jpg

[skydiver69]

The close up pic of the cockpit also appears to show that its made of fibreglass.

[Rhino power]

Control column top from an F-4! :}

-RP

[SammySu]

Looks like a Garmin GTX330 so at least it'll be Mode S compliant. Oh and lots of fibreglass moulding behind the seat area............:eek:

[Saintsman]

Looks like it doesn't need rudder pedals either.

[TheWizard]

If it weren't for the fact that their leadership seems to consist of a bunch of unpredictable nutjobs, all of this 'theatre' would be laughable.

Monkey Magic (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/was-irans-monkey-in-space-launch-faked-before-and-after-pictures-of-spacetravelling-simian-appear-to-show-different-animals-8477551.html)

[keesje]

Denial is the second step after shock.

Technologically I find it very interesting. It seems an unseen compromise of means available. It's small (~BAE Hawk) simple (limited avionics) low powered (anyone missing an F5-E engine?) low / reproduceable cheap technology.

A poor man's stealth..

[Milo Minderbinder]

Its a mockup
And an Iranian english language commentary site I found admitted its a mockup. It was put togther for a celebratory display
But then, we've done the same before - I can remember mockups of the Tornado and Jaguar at air displays years before they flew

The big question is, what does the mockup represent?
Is it a depiction of a real aircraft in development?
Has it been put together by a team of technicians to try to make the government believe they are building something?
Has it been put together to convince the Iranian people that the government has a strong lead in world affairs?
Or is it yet more sabre rattling - hot air with which to threaten the western world?

In effect, its a modern case of the Emperors new clothes - but the question is, who is the emperor trying to fool? His own people? Or the rest of the world?
Of course they've done this before - remember the mockup they put in a procession last year of the two-man mini-sub that looked like a series of dustbins welded together? And the various drone mockups........

[barnstormer1968]

In fairness to them, at least 'their' new attack helicopter really flies.

[A and C]

Most of the instrument panel is made up of uncertified general aviation kit for attitude and heading referance, the ATC transponder, NAV/ COM and audio are Garmin and not bad bits of kit but hardly up to the rough and tumble of military life.

In conclusion I would expect a better job from the home builders of the LAA & EAA.

[AR1]

A poor man's stealth..

Ever wondered why the USA spent so much money on it when they could have spent so little?

It's a big Airfix kit. that's neither shock or denial, its reality.

[Torque Monkey]

Airspeed indicator topping out around 300Kts for max chickens! Holy crap Batman!

[EMU_1]

BBC news link <Here> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21310958)

[TEEEJ]

Noted on keymags forum.

See from 04:45. The Iranians admit that the flying sequences are from tests of a model.

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Snapshot from Iranian TV with 'test model caption'

Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums - View Single Post - Iran to Unveil New Fighter Tomorrow - Qaher 313 ??? (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1985277&postcount=42)

[AtomKraft]

I'd just like to point out as a Brit- that I've nothing against the Iranians/ Persians.

They are no enemy of mine.

I decline the popular invitation to hate them.

[Rhino power]

I decline the popular invitation to hate them.

Was this invitation sent to everyone? Mine seems to have been lost in the post...

-RP

[West Coast]

Is chiming in with a pithy statement regarding the stealth wannabe considered as hating them? If so by extension a lot of folks must hate the US (there's a shocker) not because of politics but because the Boeing 787 is grounded and the subject of a lot of folks attention.

It's banter old boy.

[AtomKraft]

Rhino/ West coast.

Not in any way knocking your posts about this mock up.

So, file my note under 'thread drift' if you like.

It just seems to me that everytime I see the Iranians mentioned these days, they are getting bigged up as our next enemy.

I choose my own enemies- and I suggest that's not a bad plan for most everyone.

I know there's plentyof banter on here, but out in the big bad world, it's going a long way past banter.

As I said. No enemy of mine.

Of yours?

[Courtney Mil]

I choose my own enemies- and I suggest that's not a bad plan for most everyone.

Well, yes. But not an option for serving military. I always had mine chosen for me - saved the the trouble, I guess. :ok:

[AtomKraft]

Courtney

So true.

When I was in the mob- they chose mine for me too. I didn't really mind.

I'm maybe expanding this a bit too much- and it's got sod-all to do with this mockup- but I can't help feeling we're being setup for another Iraq/ Afghanistan bloody carry on.

Really- I don't thing it's ever too early to disassociate oneself from the next SNAFU.

I want NOTHING to do with anything we start with the Iranians.

Maybe my daughter starting as an Officer Cadet is impinging on my thinking..

[maxred]

If it weren't for the fact that their leadership seems to consist of a bunch of unpredictable nutjobs, all of this 'theatre' would be laughable.

Monkey Magic

Just exactly like ours then.:ugh:

[keesje]

Ever wondered why the USA spent so much money on it when they could have spent so little?

Yes.

I choose my own enemies- and I suggest that's not a bad plan for most everyone.

wrong forum AtomKraft

BTW, I remember all to well, how we had a good laugh about the Chinese 2 yrs ago. Their stealth fighter was at least 5 yrs away, just a mock-up..

Beware the J-20 mock-up - The DEW Line (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/06/beware-the-j-20-mock-up.html)
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/437813-merry-christmas-china.html

Now they have 2 flying, J-31, J-20 and analyst have quickly rewritten their reports. They knew all along..

[Milo Minderbinder]

keesje
Iran isn't China

[AR1]

Absolutely nothing against the Iranians. Of course I dont understand thier language either so they could actually be saying here is x-scale mockup of a stealth fighter...but as I cant tell, i'll say it for them. If it flies I'll say well done too.
Some people need to get s grip. You only have to browse this forum to see we're more than happy to take the micky out of ourselves - everybody else is fair game too. If you cant take a joke you shouldnt have joined up....oh wait. You didnt.

[barnstormer1968]

THREAD DRIFT ALERT

AtomKraft

My invite to hate didn't arrive earlier, but this country is in austere times, so I'll put that down to cut backs :)

Depending on when you left the mob the Iranians may still have been in the 'good lads' club and being supplied with hi tech U.S. kit.

Give it a decade or too and they may be back in it again !

This mock up was probably knocked up by 'Iranian waste o space' and as such deserves as much mocking as British waste o space mock ups in the UK IMHO.

[AtomKraft]

Barnstormer

Re Thread drift- yep. OK- I started it. Mea Culpa.

I'm wracking my remaining brain cells to remember, but I think it was Iraq that were the 'Good Guys' ie- our Allies, and The Iranians their foe, when I left.

Of course, shortly before that, the Shah was 'in' in Iran and best buddies with the Brits. Our U.S. Cousins were busy flogging him Tomcats, Phantoms, F-5s, Phoenix AAMs and Hawk SAM as fast as they could grab back the petro dollars. How quickly they see their friends turn against them.

Plus ca change, eh?

The whole bunch of the feckers can kiss my arse. Our side included.

All I'm saying is- Off topic or not- I got no quarrel with them.

[SASless]

Radical Islamists with Nukes are not anyone's friends.....

[keesje]

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/tehran460.jpg

I think the guy with the glasses might very well be an evil Radical Islamist..

[SASless]

Does he have a Nuke?

[keesje]

You never know, Saddam also said he had no WMD's. Better make sure.

[500N]

"You never know, Saddam also said he had no WMD's. Better make sure."


Come on keejse, I would have expected more from you than "better make sure".


Along the lines of your Falklands rants, about how the West / Imperialist UK and others invade / bomb / destroy cultures with no regard for history, let along taking into account the people's wishes :O

[Bevo]

Yep - just like he said he never used chemical weapons on his own people.:rolleyes:

[AR1]

For someone with no axe to grind Keesje you're doing a fine job of grinding it! Though I hope with that picture you're proving you've actually got a sense of humour. Kurt 'n' all.

[keesje]

Along the lines of your Falklands rants, about how the West / Imperialist UK and others invade / bomb / destroy cultures with no regard for history

What the heck are you talking about, 500N ?! Its all "with or against us" evil leftist tree huggin non-sense is it? ;)

taking into account the people's wishes

There always wishes / people / historical events / rights / interests to select that fit the bill. Specialists that know how to play the peoples sentiments. And yes, on all sides. The moment it fails, we get disasters like the fall of the wall, Arab springs, independence demonstrations..

Back to topic, I guess the Iranians could do this aircraft. They build up an industry during the last 20 yrs, low end attack helicopters, ground effect vehicles, transport aircraft, transport helicopters, often license build.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5207/sharaf2prototype04ek4.jpg

No doubt it would be a light ground attack aircraft replacing older ones (F5?), not invisible but harder to detect / intercept. They might have a look at those inlets at high AoA's IMO ;)

[bluecode]

Looks like wishful thinking on the Iranians part. I could knock together one of those in my garage if I wanted to impress my neighbours and or enemies. Doesn't mean it will fly anytime soon.

The sheer complexity, time and expense of putting any frontline fighter into service is out of reach for most countries even without being under sanctions and self imposed isolationism.

I'm not sure what the Iranians are trying to prove. It might fool the average man in the street but it won't fool those in the know.

There won't be hordes of these in the air anytime soon.

I'd just like to point out as a Brit- that I've nothing against the Iranians/ Persians.

They are no enemy of mine.

I decline the popular invitation to hate them. Atomkraft, no one is asking you to. You may not regard them as enemies. But as a Brit and a westerner they regard you as the enemy. That's their problem. They chose to be hostile to all those around them, not the other way around.

[keesje]

b.uecode, where do you think any conflict with Iran would be fought? Wales?

Often the man in the street seems pre occupied, even programmed with the starting point he is on the right side. Probably to avoid complexities.

[AtomKraft]

Bluecode et al.

Ol' saddam was demonised in the 'meeja'- then he was invaded. it got so mad that a majority of US citizens were eventually persuaded that he was responsible for 9/11.

We're witnessing the same demonisation of Iran now- you just stated it in your last post! how the hell do you know they regard us as the enemy?

Have you asked them?

Granted, if we invade them they might get a bit annoyed.

Man goes into Doctors. 'Doctor Doctor I think Im turning into a dog'.
Quack: 'OK take it easy, lie down on my couch and we'll have a little chat'.
'I'm not allowed on the couch' says the patient.

Attempt at humour.;)

[West Coast]

Have you asked the Iranians who the enemy is?


Was Saddam simply misunderstood? A good guy with a meeja image problem?

[keesje]

Have you asked the Iranians who the enemy is?

The Iranians in that Teheran cafe?

[AtomKraft]

West Coast.

As I see it:
1. Iraq was zero threat to the UK (or the US for that matter. They may dislike some of your friends).
2. The war is now, with hindsight (which many didn't need ;)) seen to be unjustified, maybe illegal and a bloody waste of blood and treasure not to mention credability. The aftermath-a disaster.
3. Iran is no threat to the UK either- do you think they threaten the US?
Sure, poke the nest and getting stung is likely, but that is not the same thing as a threat.
We can never hold the ME 'the way we wish it' indefinately. The price of trying to do so is ever rising.
Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning.

[james ozzie]

Thank goodness Iran is ruled by the clown I'm-a-dinner-jacket.

[just another jocky]

As I see it:
1. Iraq was zero threat to the UK (or the US for that matter. They may dislike some of your friends).
2. The war is now, with hindsight (which many didn't need http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif) seen to be unjustified, maybe illegal and a bloody waste of blood and treasure not to mention credability. The aftermath-a disaster.
3. Iran is no threat to the UK either- do you think they threaten the US?
Sure, poke the nest and getting stung is likely, but that is not the same thing as a threat.
We can never hold the ME 'the way we wish it' indefinately. The price of trying to do so is ever rising.
Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning

Have you had access to the highly classifed documents covering the subject (in which case you shouldn't be discussing it here :=) or is this an opinion derived from the interweb and meeja? :zzz:

[keesje]

Have you had access to the highly classifed documents covering the subject (in which case you shouldn't be discussing it here ) or is this an opinion derived from the interweb and meeja?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE

Everyone who took a flag and ran with the mob, should take some lessons learned, to prevent another embarrassment next time.

[just another jocky]

How can you tell when a politician is lying?

Just in case you think you know the answer to that one too: You can see their lips moving. :}

[bluecode]

Atomkraft:
Ol' saddam was demonised in the 'meeja'- then he was invaded. it got so mad that a majority of US citizens were eventually persuaded that he was responsible for 9/11.

We're witnessing the same demonisation of Iran now- you just stated it in your last post! how the hell do you know they regard us as the enemy?

Have you asked them?So you're saying Saddam was misunderstood? He didn't need to be demonised by the media. He was a demon. He was a brutal, vicious dictator who started a couple of wars, one against Iran and another against Kuwait. Not to mention his actions against his own people. His downfall was of his own making.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm not sure what rock you've been living under but Iran hasn't actually made any secret of it's anti western, anti US anti Israeli attitudes. It's known to sponsor terrorism and undermine it's neighbours. It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general. It's trying to prop up the Syrian regime at the moment.

No need ask them, they'll tell you. You don't always get to pick your enemies. They often pick you.

Either you're particularly naive or have an agenda.

Iran won't be invaded by anyone, there is no strategic interest in attacking Iran. None whatsoever. As long as Iran simply continues with this sabre rattling and avoids actually attacking or invading one of it's neighbours or Israel. Then they'll be left in their little box. No one is interested in attacking Iran. In any case it would be a nightmare to suppress.

Saddam made the mistake of getting expansionist and became a threat to Arab and western interests. The Iranians are not as stupid as their little model plane makes them look. Much of their posturing is for domestic consumption anyway. Having external 'enemies' to hate is a good way of deflecting internal dissent. It's a favourite method of despotic regimes.

The way all the Arab countries descended into turmoil, must make the Mullahs very nervous indeed. They could be next. Sooner the better in my opinion.

[Courtney Mil]

Bluecode,

I agree. The one thing that could change all that is if (or, rather, when) Israel decides it cannot stand the nuclear threat any longer.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Had an interesting discussion with an emigre Iranian businessman a week ago.
Iranian Government hands out business loans to all and sundry; huge amounts. Businesman is forced to use most of this on bribes to officials. Factory, whatever, may be built but now has insufficient capital to turn a profit, so goes bust in 6 months. Government bank writes off loan. No blame attached to businessman (quite rightly, in fact). Cycle begins again.

He seemed like a genuine bloke, but I have no corroboration so I thought I'd mention it for discussion. It would explain why an intensive research program and so-called aircraft industry can come up with nothing better than what you might expect from the Greybridge School Model Aircraft Club.

Effectively, the oil money is being distributed in bribes. The economy is thus entirely dependent on oil revenues. If the source of revenue is cut off for any reason, one might expect some rash action from the Government to sustain themselves in power in the face of economic collapse. And if that Government happens to have a couple of nukes handy......

[halas]

No barbers pole and a Vne of of 260 knots.

Built in a boat shed and displayed in an equestrian arena. That would explain it's size and dodgy aero set up. It had get through the doors of both.

halas

[500N]

bluecode

It seems the "It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general."
by the clown "I'm-a-dinner-jacket" is only allowed to continue until he
over steps the mark and then gets told to pull his head in by the head honchos.

I think he is only in that position as a puppet until they want
or need someone else.

Just my HO.

[oldmansquipper]

An `interesting` ejection seat installed - Bits of an MBA Mk.7 style integrated Harness as used on Buccs & Phantom but with no visible QRB or Neg G strapping. CRU-60 O2 regulator attachment etc etc.

Suggests an anthropometric mock up for integration work?

A bit like those at AMTC/IAM/RAFCAM woteva...

[keesje]

Suggests an anthropometric mock up for integration work?

That's the case. People that speak the language say thats what the Iranians say in the comments and interviews.

The western observers/ press (not analysts..) however stumble over each other to say this thing can't fly, lacks this and that, is a deceptive mock-up etc.

Apparently we just hear / see what we want to & fits our agenda's.

[Nigd3]

And the purpose of installing Dynon (non type certifed) and Garmin general aviation avionics is ???

[Courtney Mil]

Keesje,

If it were an anthropometry tool, it would, by definition, need to be full size. Similarly there is no point doing cockpit integration work, if you then go and change the scale on the real thing.

[oldmansquipper]

Take your point, CM ....however, its just what Bo*ing did with F-3* when they realised the nose wheel tyre (or tire in spam-speak) had been omitted in design drawing! (allegedly) It caused a certain purveyor of gentlemen's flight furniture some problems, when part of the cockpit floor rose about 4 inches :ugh:

Or...Perhaps.. they really believe their anthro range is mainly 5%ile....they would not be the first Asian Airforce to do so...;)

[Load Toad]

Sweet christ it's a bodge up - nothing more. Every so often Iran claims to have some technology or capability & more often than not it hasn't. It ability to wage war with what it sees as it's enemies are more about supplying terrorists and arms to terrorists not having the latest in glass fibre technology.

[muppetofthenorth]

If they're admitting it's a mock up, why are they also releasing photos like:

http://observers.france24.com/files/imagecache/observers_520_220/article_images/top%20jet.jpg
?

Full story here (http://observers.france24.com/content/20130211-iranian-fighter-jet-photoshop-fake-f-313)

[keesje]

If they're admitting it's a mock up, why are they also releasing photos like:


?

Full story here
*

What so special about that? Everybody does it all the time.

[Load Toad]

Because they are full of S@#T.


And have Photoshop.

[500N]

Load toad

:ok:

Exactly what I was going to put.


Keejse

Only those FOS need to use Photoshop and the more they
do, the more people become suspicious.

The rest fly it behind a C-130 or chase plane and take real photos.

[AR1]

The last paragraph by an Iranian blogger :ok:

[Courtney Mil]

Of course everyone does it. You don't truly believe all those pictures of the F-35 flying are real, do you?

[keesje]

Load Toad, 500N, Courtney Mil, you folks might have some catching up to do on modern media :ok:

This photo was photo shopped by a local newssite, Khouz News, a website focusing on news from the southwest province of Khuzestan

طرØ*/ پرواز جنگنده قاهر برÙ�راز دماوند (http://www.khouznews.ir/fa/news/28522/%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%AD-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AC%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%87-%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AF)

If you want to believe the Iran ministry of defense is trying to fool you and the rest of the world, you are totally free to do so ! :rolleyes:

Small detail, the original is a stealth glider UAV, no engine, no pilot :ok:
http://toca.ir/page_org/www.toca.ir_1360055233_,_1024_1024.jpg

[Bevo]

Keeje is correct. Here are some more news releases from that part of the world.


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