Can profound deaf become a pilot thought can speak well

[Pisces40]

Not sure if am right...... Been searching around google Internet. There are some said that deaf can be a pilot! Not sure if can be in commercial pilot??

I'm profoundly deaf with excellent lip speaking and I'm the only deaf person grew up in the family. Can do sign but I spend mostly lip speaking.
Need a supporting to support myself to becoming a pilot.

Having said that, wish my dream was come true but then again there always a deaf barrier that always block from deaf trying to proof can do it.... Any idea ladies& guys.... Can you advise?

Can any company like B.A or other willing to sponsor me to gain a license to becoming a pilot???

Thanks for reading also hoping to hear from you and whom ever have been accepting to training PPL OR CPL wishes you all the best of luck for future career

[Bealzebub]

For commercial flying it is highly unlikely. The job involves constant use of radio, and communication where lip reading will not always be possible. Add to that the vital need to be able to hear aural warnings and alerts and you can see the necessity. You would need to seek advice from the medical branch of the CAA. There is a link here (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=2499&pagetype=90&pageid=13814#HLoss) that gives you the guidelines for professional pilot renewal standards. These are usually more relaxed than the standards required for initial issue, but should give you a broad idea of the requirements.

[fernytickles]

There is a Deaf Pilots Association. If you search for them on google, you'll find them pretty easily.

I do think there must be a bug of some sort in their website as when I posted it as a link on here it just showed up as some sort of viagra ad :eek:

Anyway, you might find they can give you some help.

They also have a facebook page.

[Pisces40]

Thanks for information. I thought as much... Still it is Worthing try thought.
I just can hear the sound through cochlear implant but only hear mumbles sound :confused: can that be becoming a restrict allowed to apply CPL??
I'm just trying to be sure as I'm trying to change career!! It so dammmmm hard!!

Oh well tried my best & thanks for support with information :ok: :)

[fernytickles]

Have you thought about becoming an aircraft mechanic? Not quite the same as flying, but keeps you around aeroplanes nonetheless.

[Pisces40]

Hadn't thought about mechanic.... Never have done that before lol.... It nice what you said be around where the plane are but my point is feeling pride that want to take off and landing and control the plane.... I know am nuts but that is me will not quit or give up. I know I know be deaf is impossible to do this flying things...... Just that I felt that I had to do it and I'm going to give it a try with medical FAA or CAA don't know which is any different lol! Me gone raving mad:ugh:

One question am not sure...... In the medical form which class should I put down....1 or Class 2. Any advise??

Second is which should I put down airmen or airmen & student cert??

Your feedback is grateful........

[fernytickles]

I don't know the answer, but would suggest you contact AOPA for advice on the medical. They have a great department for helping folks address their medicals.

Alternatively, the AME would help you, or your instructor.

You could be both a pilot (private) & a mechanic/engineer - best of both worlds, I reckon :ok:

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Pisces40. Reading your posts, you appear to have trouble writing or exprssing yourself correctly. I do not know if this would be as a result of deafness but you should know that obtaining a flying licence or any sort involves a lot of writing so I would also have this problem looked at.

Before you apply for a medical it would be a good idea to consult either an AME near you or contact the medical branch at Gatwick as either should be able to offer advice.

Good luck

[mad_jock]

but you should know that obtaining a flying licence or any sort involves a lot of writing

It involves virtually zero writing. A load of reading and drawing lines with a heavy pencil but thats about it.

Documents for Download | Medical | Personal Licences and Training (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49&pagetype=90&pageid=7099)

Is the current standards

And

Audio - JAR Class 1 Hearing Standards | Medical | Personal Licences and Training (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49&pageid=533)

For the hearing intial standards.

Unfortaunately they won't give you an intial medical Class 1 which stops you in your tracks for commercial training if you are below that.

Now you might get to know of working pilots who won't meet those limits. After you have your intial medical you get a dispensation that you can prove that you can hear enough on the flight deck. Which basically means you just go and talk to an examinor on the intercom in flight and they sign you off as functional. To be honest the volume you can drive the intercoms up to I would be suprised if anyone would fail this test unless they suffered a complete failure of hearing.

Now there is nothing stopping you being able to fly. You can go flying none radio VFR but a professional career I really don't think will be an option. I would think you would have no problem getting a class 2 but radio is going to be a problem and limit you while solo flying to none radio. There is also microlights to have a look at and also gliding( which to be honest is the most pure form of aviation)

Your first port of call should be that Deaf pilots association they will have AME's who know the rules and also know which is the best place for you to go and train.

Unfortunately most aviation work requires you to be able to communicate either via a radio or a phone.

Maybe another thing to have a look at is a performance engineer. These folk make up the charts which limit the aircraft to keep it safe.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

<<It involves virtually zero writing. A load of reading and drawing lines with a heavy pencil but thats about it. >

Apologies if I misled you.

[mad_jock]

Its all multiple guess these days HD including type ratings.

And day to day apart from signatures and techlog if your a Captain there is very little if any prose to be written unless there has been something worthy of a write up. And even then you can just bullet point your report with statements.

As much as the grammar/spelling police on here would have you think until you get into manual writing and competency reports there is very little usage of written English while flying its mostly verbal.

[uniandpilot]

Iv got a problem in my ear, which makes me deaf in the left ear. Emailed caa and to pay its something like to hear in both ear separately 500hz, to 2000hz in a 35db frequency and 4000hz in 50db.

im going for surgery in a few months time and will have a hearing test before and after so should be able to see through there if im able to gain a class 1 medical or not :(

[Pisces40]

:) hi thanks for advise. I wasn't aware that my English writing are bit of lack of understanding..... Need to think about it. I will need to practice to improved English writing so that yourself or others can able to understanding. My apology for your confusing.

Second part is I wasn't aware that there are involving lot of writing and flight plan chart etc... Ouch sound that becoming pilot is the hardest part to pass it....now I'm scare to think of that!! Wondering have I made the right choice!!

Once again thanks for comment :):)

[Pisces40]

Now comes again hadn't thought about that again becoming both a pilot (private) & a mechanic/engineer - now now that Ian bad idea!! How come you such becoming a clever person mmmm smart moved! Lol

Yeah never thought about it.... Then again I need to start some where than keep thinking thinking what to do.... Need act now than regret later eh!! :):)

[Pisces40]

Now i have to write down what you all lots have said! thank you.
i will be contact to Deaf pilots association very shortly see from there.

If there were more better modern technology then. Would be happy fly 747 lol....

Looked likely I will have to make the most tough decision to make up my mind what I want to be but I just might do both private pilot and mechanic that way I can only fly small plane but be nice if I could fly commercial thought.. It looked professional high class!
I will seek Medical advise to see what is right for myself........

You all who have put in comment haven't disappointing me just that i'm more disappointing self that Deaf can't do much what hearing person can do more.....

Anyway I'm not working and blame the 2008 recession!! Looked likely I have to stop there cos of Medical and PPL training will cost more than my motorbike.... Funny strange I passed my PCV license (passenger carrying vehicles) & motorbike training.....becoming pilot it end there mmm interesting.

Still it was good feedback information...... and i which it was more simple to go one direction to another direction than getting all myself all work up for nothing!

Thank you all :):):)

[Mrdini]

Recently, I was discussing Google rankings for our site with a friend and we were looking at rankings for "deaf pilots uk" and similar search results when I stumbled across this thread.

First of all - Pisces40 has already been in touch with us, so this post is more aimed at other commentators on this thread :) (And to try to pimp our site a bit without falling afoul of the forum rule on linking! :) )

fernytickles:-
Deaf Pilots Association is based in the States, so their information is mainly for the American audience - which leans towards the power crowd. It's not your fault for not knowing of our site - we very recently launched our site and are trying to spread awareness of our site a bit.

You'll notice that the UK deaf flying scene seems to lean towards gliding very heavily. This is more for practical reasons - gliding is less reliant on radio usage, and most clubs are used to not requiring radio. Contrast to power in the UK where it's pretty much taken for granted you're able to use radio :hmm: (Yes, NORDO procedures exists but even so...). Also, gliding in the UK is substantially cheaper than power.

Because of the above, AMEs are not needed (in the very short term) to do medicals for deaf people - a GP can sign off on a DVLA med for gliding. However, with EASA and LAPL(S)/GPL, this will change in the next few years.... This is an issue we're watching carefully to see the implications for when the first deaf guinea pig :D volunteers to try to do the medicals for a LAPL(S)/GPL :eek:

Hope the above is of interest, and please do feel free to look up our site & spread the word! :) Just search for deaf pilots in the UK! We'll keep tabs on this thread in case anyone has more questions. (or feel free to start a new one in Private Flying)

[Pisces40]

Hi all.... need a next step....

I now have Class 2 Medical licence and i'm searching for a scholarship/sponsorship to learn to Fly to gain PPl licence... i know and aware that flying Commercial airline is out of the question.

Does anyone recommend flying training place that do scholarship/sponsorship and accept Medical Class 2 also accept that i'm also Deaf.

i have apply few but not yet heard reply.

I just want to apply few more training place just in case i get turn down.

Any advice:)....

Thank you for read my message

[localflighteast]

I wish you luck, I suspect your biggest problem not if not being deaf but the fact that realistically very few people manage to get funding for a PPL.

Maybe the situation is different in the UK but PPLs are pretty much self financed here

[Pisces40]

Hi all.... need a next step....

I now have Class 2 Medical licence and i'm searching for a scholarship/sponsorship to learn to Fly to gain PPl licence... i know and aware that flying Commercial airline is out of the question. It no problem I have accepting for time to time.

Do you know any recommend flying training place that do scholarship/sponsorship and accept Medical Class 2 also accept that i'm also Deaf.

i have apply 2 & still waiting for short list for interview

I just want to apply few more training place just in case i get turn down others.

Any advice....

Thank you for read my message

[Ulster]

I'm profoundly deaf with excellent lip speaking and I'm the only deaf person grew up in the family. Can do sign but I spend mostly lip speaking.
Need a supporting to support myself to becoming a pilot.

Glad to hear you now have a class 2 medical - albeit somewhat surprised, since the rules say that even class 2's need to be able to communicate, and from what you've said radio telephony is going to be a nightmare, even if it's possible at all.

My partner and I have a very deaf daughter, and my partner is a qualified teacher of deaf children, so it's something we know a bit about.

I interpret that first post as saying that your speech is good, at least for someone who is hearing impaired. Did you really mean "excellent lip speaking" or should that have been "excellent lip reading" ? That distinction could be absolutely crucial in an aviation / piloting context. It's pretty obvious that however useful lip-reading is in one-to-one conversation it's a total non-starter in air-to-ground radiotelephony !

Mention was made earlier in the thread of a cochlear implant producing only mumbles, which is a pity. Have you ever been considered or assessed for BAHA's ? Our daughter (age 32 ) functions quite magnificently using these ! I'm not sure how well they would work under an aviation headset, but I'm sure that something could be come up with in that context !

Finally, an earlier poster on this thread referred to your appearing to have difficulty in putting meaningful sentences together, and it's my impression that that is still the case. I wonder if English is, in fact, your first language ? If it is, this problem may well be related to the hearing impairment, perhaps in some way that's not immediately apparent.

Get as much flying done as you can, while you can ! It's very addictive for all of us ! :ok:

[Ulster]

There is LOTS of useful stuff here :

Deaf Pilots UK (http://www.deafpilots.co.uk/)

(must admit, there's stuff there I didn't know, even as an AME ! )

Hoping to hear more good news soon ! :ok:

[Mrdini]

Glad to hear you now have a class 2 medical - albeit somewhat surprised, since the rules say that even class 2's need to be able to communicate, and from what you've said radio telephony is going to be a nightmare, even if it's possible at all.
Not necessarily... From MED.B.08 (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=2499&pagetype=90&pageid=13814)

Profound Hearing Loss (Class 2)
Class 2 applicants who are or become completely deaf may be considered for certification with special restriction of ‘SSL’ – ‘no flights to or from airfields where ATC is provided by radio and remain outside controlled airspace’.

[Ulster]

Not necessarily... From MED.B.08

Thanks, Mrdini . . . . . . . . I stand corrected. :ooh:

[Pisces40]

Thanks to Ulster, good point!! Can your daughter speak! what it is BAHA's ?
Yes i suppose to say 'lipreading'. I should also have said good not excellent lip speaking.
Yes English is my only language and i know i need to correctly my grammar but back in the 80s was old days and teacher weren't that good teach us to be a better grammer. I'm just trying my best. Yes Class 2 do need to be able to communication but therefore it does say how much you can hear the sound in distance. not just the radio. Class 2 have a limited what can do access without need of radio. also it mention about the healthy of heart and eye sight too.

Can you maybe correct me from this thread referred to my appearing! I don't seem that i made such error thread even i do not want to thread just asking query.

Oh thank you i do want to fly as much i can just got to find a scholarship to get me starting flying. as you know flying training isn't cheap! also i loves be up the air but hate the examiner not very good due tricky question trying to confusing mind! dislike exam... it is not my strong point as i do get very nervous and ending up either fail or worse lower point.... need a good understanding teacher!!!

[Bad medicine]

I think the question on certification with a hearing impairment has been answered. This is not the forum for trying to find flying scholarships.