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Centaurus
8th Jan 2013, 08:55
This from a friend of mine who lives on the island of Pohnpei, in the Federated States of Micronesia, a few hundred miles south east of Guam in the Western Pacific region. Can anyone help him with his question, please?
He writes:

"I have been doing a bit of research on Vampires just lately, becaue I used to own an FB-31 sn A79-985 which was used as an advertising sign by the main road at Armadale near Perth. It was removed in the 1970s and I acquired it just before going to Nauru in 1983. I let it go to another WA air museum years later when I was in Nauru the second time. The museum has since folded and the Vampire wreckage was sold for scrap. Much to my disgust. If nothing else it could have been re-assembled to it's original hoarding appearance and kept like that. Still part of WA aviation history.

Anyway, I was studying the French licence-built version that the French called the Mistral and it was powered by the Nene engine. There is no sign of any Elephant ears on the Mistral either on top od below the engine pod areas. It seems to me that the French engineers enlarged the intakes at the wing roots. These intakes do not have fences are anything and the whole plane looks neat and streamlines but the bigger engine makes the Mistral look a little fatter.

It caused me to wonder why on earth the DAP did not do the same, but instead they went through the elephant ear routine, on top which caused a number of accidents and deaths and then the ungainly underside intakes. I had a set of those underside panels with the extra intakes off another wrecks/scrapped Vampire.

If you can shed any light on this engineering problem and the French solution, please let me know."

Brian Abraham
8th Jan 2013, 13:47
After assembling 67 Vampire FB Mk 5 single-seat fighters from British-supplied components and licence-building a further 120 aircraft in their entirety, the Societe Nationale de Constructions Aeronautiques de Sud-Est (SNCASE) began production of a more powerful version of the basic aircraft. Assigned the designation Vampire Mk 53 by the parent company and given the appellation of SE 530 by Sud-Est, this was developed at the behest of the Armee de l'Air. It utilised the basic Mk 5 airframe mated with the 2270kg Hispano-built Nene 102, the wing root intakes being enlarged and the split-trunk intake of the Hawker P.1040 being adapted to provide the extra air demanded for the rear face of the Nene's double-sided impeller. Fuel tankage was increased, cabin pressurisation introduced and the pilot was provided with an SNCASO ejection seat. A pre-series of four aircraft was built, the first of these flying on 1 April 1951. Baptised Mistral, the type entered series production in SE 532 form, the first flying in December 1951 and 97 being built. These were followed by 150 examples of the SE 535, the last of which was delivered on 25 March 1954. The SE 535 was powered by the Nene 104 with similar rating to the Nene 102B of the SE 532, and, in addition to its four 20mm HS 404 cannon, could carry eight T-10 or HVAR rockets, or two 450kg bombs. The Mistral entered Armee dl'Air service in 1952 and was finally withdrawn in 1961.

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/france/sud-est_mistral.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/photo/France---Air/Sud-Est-SE-535-Mistral/0990559/L/&sid=757d0e70eafd54aa2a186d6a57e0ae7c

See also vampire | de havilland | 1951 | 1531 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1951/1951%20-%201531.html)

Centaurus
10th Jan 2013, 11:55
Thanks a million, Brian. I have passed this info to Stan in Pohnpei. He will be delighted.:ok: If you google "Stan Gajda articles" you will find his stories of his war relic discoveries on Pacific atolls.

Noyade
10th Jan 2013, 20:39
It seems to me that the French engineers enlarged the intakes at the wing roots.Similar research done here but not taken up. There is good coverage in a chapter titled "The Search For Intake Efficiency" in Stewart Wilson's book - "Vampire, Macchi and Iroquis in Australian Service" (1994).

Cheers.

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