EK hold pool (DEC's)

[flyby2013]

Anyone have info on what's happening with successful applicants that still haven't been offered a job, but have been placed in the holding pool for DEC's?

[electricdeathjet]

All I have heard is no courses until the next tax year......

[Man Flex 37.5]

I have heard the same

[flyby2013]

Since most pilots have a three months notice one should hopefully be expecting a call anytime soon.
Financial year runs from april.

[electricdeathjet]

.... hope so.

[Glonass]

All I have heard is no courses until the next tax year......


For those of you in the know, are you optimist course will indeed begin next financial year or it basically means one shall wait next financial year to see what the planning will be and if DEC courses are part of the equation?

[flyby2013]

Rumor says there will be no more interviews for DEC's.
Those who have passed and been placed in the pool might receive a job offer.
Anyone that can confirm or have more/other info?

[A300skipper]

If they are done hiring DECs, why do they still advertise for it?

[groundtoflightdeck]

The link to the DEC is gone now...

[Visual Procedures]

Was speaking to the refueller yesterday, he heard that the last of the 777 DECs have started, a few more 330 DEC's to join through the next financial year.

Its an impeccable source, so it must be true. :ok:

[taz.devil]

They have closed DEC hiring at website.

TD

[macscary]

What is the point in screening people and not hiring them?
There will be news soon for sure! They said they need pilots for ...yesterday.

[Dune Buggy]

Does anyone have any idea of approximately how many DEC's are in the hold pool?

Thanks.

[electricdeathjet]

+1 Me :uhoh:

[TwinJock]

I suggest that whoever is interested in a DEC position at EK, makes contact with their mates who started recently as DEC's!

I have heard, seen and experienced some extensive grinding of teeth, and "near tear" moments from some of them. I am sure that some of them regret the decision that they made to move in this direction.

[flyby2013]

TwinJock, I have no such connections.
Would you please elaborate?

[stakeknife]

Actually I do know some of the present DEC's and some from back in 2007 I think. No grinding of teeth or regrets from any of them, just hard work and satisfaction. It's only perhaps 8 guys in total but they seem happy enough, especially the guys from the last intake.each to their own I guess!

[Dune Buggy]

I have been receiving the same info as Stakeknife. The DEC's that I have been speaking with are quite impressed. Lets hope we get some news soon.

[flyby2013]

Anyone in the holding pool for DEC's received any news, or more info?

[Glonass]

I can talk for myself: Nope

[Man Flex 37.5]

I haven't heard anything either.

[Dune Buggy]

I'm in the same boat. No news...

[clear to land]

Plan is for no more DEC on 777, AB is TBA.

[LHR Rain]

Do the FOs of the illustrious DECs think the same?
Can't imagine a Ryan Air DEC (I paid for my type rating) setting the world on fire.

[victorc10]

LHR you turnip....anyone with the required hours for a start did not pay for TR...also the said company (for which you fail in the ability to spell correctly) has many very competent operators and of course some less so much like any other airline. It would not be difficult to determine which category you would be placed with your God type ego disease.

[supatiger]

LHR you going to get slated for that one! :}

[LHR Rain]

And the Ryan Air pilots are not going to get slated with all that they have done to the industry?
I have never paid for training so I guess I put myself in the catergory of a professional pilot. That is I get paid to fly.
Can anyone honestly say that Ryan Air and the likes are good for the industry?

[fatbus]

Neither are those who have blinders on. LHR where have you been for the last 15 years? Have a look what's going on right here in the UAE

[MaffiFaloos]

What a TWIT Mr LHR. Must be some FO wannabe who flies as well as he types......all wind and pi**

[flyby2013]

Guys, can we please stay on topic here.
Information regarding the DEC holding pool at Emirates.

Much appreciated.

[canadansk]

Recent washup meeting said "No more DEC" - at least present plan.

[flyby2013]

..and by that meaning no more applications?
Or a complete halt also for those already in the pool?

[what_goes_up]

As said in the meeting...

Last DEC on T7 is in the company already, on AB TBA...

But things change quickly here!

[GoreTex]

how many times did EK say no more DEC's and how many times did they hire DEC's after that?

believe me there will always be DEC's in EK

[macscary]

Assessment complete in october 2012
Notification of success 5 weeks later via email with pending course plan in 2013.
last email received last week: "we shall give you an update ASAP, still waiting for the next course plan, thanks for your patience".
Well, at least, they keep us in the loop...

[Dune Buggy]

I had the same update as macscary...

[flyby2013]

News or info, anyone?

[McNulty]

The majority of Ryanair guys who got DEC were very experienced TRE's and the like, and most of them were DEC's in Ryanair in the first place....very experienced guys.

[Basic Service]

Was in touch with HR a couple of days ago, they are unsure of their requirements until they get the confirmed course plan for the next Financial year. Once they get that (some time between now and April), they will know if they have any need, and if required will contact the pool.

[Basic Service]

I met a couple of the Ryanair boys over there, good lads and as said, pretty experienced. One was VERY high up the training ladder, but the other was a mere mortal like the rest of us. It depends when you were in the system, when I went, just about all DEC's were TRE's, but a few months later they were taking line Captains with no training experience and the minimum hours. I think we are now in the mop up phase where they have a small pool of suitable bods who will get the call if next years FY needs them. Its a case of hurry up and wait.......:zzz:

[Mrs Mangels]

From the latest wash-up- the stop gap has been plugged!! i.e., we now have a steady stream of FO's ready to go again.
It was only ever going to be to fill in the nine month gap of zero recruitment during 2008/9 (GFC), looks like that gap is over.

[Basic Service]

You may well be right Mrs Mangel and I'm sure the FO's that have been waiting for command will be saying, "bout time too!!" Fact remains, that there are a number of us who have been assessed as suitable pending a course date, and we have not heard that we are no longer required yet. That e mail could be on its way after the "weekend", but until then we will wait and hope there is one last chance. I know its a difficult subject, if I was an FO waiting for the left seat, I know how I would feel. It's never going to be a subject that will be resolved happily for everyone.

For everyone else reading this that is waiting to hear, historically, decisions are made and changed frequently in EK. We have certainly missed the main boat, but you can never tell what those on the top floors will drop on the recruitment team, sometimes at very short notice. You might hear that there is nothing else happening one week, and then get a call asking if you can be there in a month! We will know one way or the other soon enough, next FY's plan is out some time soon and all will be clear. ( for a week or two ).

[fatbus]

2 things to remember, EK tends to cut back on all spending this time of year resulting in delays to all training and there is not as many qualified FO's as one would think ( I sure I'll get shot down for that, but a little birdie told me). Last I heard is the 777 is more or less done with DEC's and 30-40 on the 330 later on this year. Those that are waiting - you might not hear anything at all if they decide not to hire you. It would make sense to me to email .
One other piece of info is that the new upgrade course might be running now, don't know if it's all fleets but when it does is @ 10-12 months long. DEC's maybe required to fill the gap and that could include the 777.

[vfenext]

One other piece of info is that the new upgrade course might be running now, don't know if it's all fleets but when it does is @ 10-12 months long.
Complete and utter BS!!

[fatbus]

VFE , I wont go into detail about the FTN but the first bullet point reads " @ one year prior to eligibility for the NAC Course" and I didn't count but it's about 60 pages.

[vfenext]

Approx 12 months before upgrade 2 days of command coaching are rostered. These days do NOT represent the start of the upgrade. I know EK try to reinvent the wing on the upgrade but a 12 month course would be stretching it.

[MucDoo]

Hi Guys, anyone had a change to their status on the web site? Mine says under review.

[flyby2013]

MucDoo, what was your status before that?

[MucDoo]

flyby, I had to turn down a start date last year, when I got back in touch to say I was able to join, they put me in the pool with "under review ".

Interesting thread about FO interviews elsewhere, that mentions that a lot of the 340's are being phased out and I think one of the 330's.

[trimotor]

DEC programme, certainly on the 777 is at an end for the time being -last 2 guys start soon.

10-12 month upgrade course? Complete BS, as stated.

[flyby2013]

Sad to hear that. Has the plan for the next financial year been released?

[Dlink13]

So are there guys who have interviewed and passed the selection process and are still waiting in the pool or has the pool been emptied with no more DEC's waiting for a start date.

[flyby2013]

There are still people in the pool. At least one. :)

[fatbus]

My understanding is that there is still some( @20) DEC's coming throughout the year on the 330.

[Man Flex 37.5]

I think there are a few of us in the pool.

[vfenext]

Fatbus, as usual your info is wrong. Nil DEC on the 330/340

[fatbus]

Depends who you know!

[donpizmeov]

I have heard the same as fatbus.

The Don

[millerscourt]

The Don

Have dusted off my A340 Manuals just in case. They did NOT require Carbon Dating as White Knight inferred ( Cheeky young whippersnapper):ok:

[flap relief]

Another one still in the pool but starting to get slightly waterlogged.....

WTF is going on?

[EKB777]

Consider updating online applications. Little birdie suggesting further A330 DEC requirement shortly (small number)

[macscary]

What are you talking about updating online applications?
This thread is about DEC hold pool, not short listed dudes.
And if your birdie could pass on some real infos, and stop carrying out some kind of ranting, that would be nice!

[pondoklabu]

Guys you could always change your application to F/O and start from the bottom like many other jet Capts at Emirates.

Just a thought

[The Dominican]

Emirates does hire DEC's from time to time:rolleyes: so not everyone at EK has started from the bottom.

[Laker]

If you aren't in yet I don't think it's going to happen for a DEC candidate (except for maybe a few Airbus). Emirates started hiring in huge numbers about 3 years ago. Once they get through the guys in the upgrade pipeline now there will be a steady stream of pilots with 2,500 hours on type ready to upgrade.

Might be a good time to explore other options if you are in the pool.

[paddingtonbear319]

Hi Guys

Hot news off the press, last DEC course arrives in April, think 330 and possibly a few more courses Sept/Oct.

Majority are ex trainers.

Its pretty fluid depending on the delayed departure of the 330/340 as cover for the wing problem on the 380.

That info came from quite high up but things change so frequently its probably out of date already.

Good luck, I know the waiting is pretty painfulFluid

[Comanche]

There does not seem to be any box on the application form for DEC that allows you to tick TRI/TRE qualification / experience. Any suggestions?

[Dune Buggy]

Thanks for the update Padingtonbear. I guess I'll have to play the waiting game.

[fatbus]

VFE wrote "Fatbus, as usual your info is wrong. Nil DEC on the 330/340 "

but I think my source might be the same as , paddingtonbear319 " dec's update.

[vfenext]

The guys who drive the Volvo's don't qualify as a "source".

[paddingtonbear319]

well the one that picked me up this morning had a stutter so wasn't him. Believe as you will but also had it confirmed by a friend who has just been called for interview.

Only trying to be helpful:mad:

[flyby2013]

Paddingtonbear, no news for Boeing rated? Only AB?

[Dune Buggy]

Padingtonbear319,

Thanks for your updates. Was your friend called for a DEC interview?

[Dune Buggy]

Has anybody in the DEC hold pool heard anything new regarding our status? The 2013 budget should be out. Also will the CAA still allow factoring?

[Glonass]

Dune Buggy,

I contacted HR and I was told basically: "still no news or update for you. As of yet there are no Boeing DEC requirements for the coming financial year."

[Dune Buggy]

Thanks Glonass. Hopefully that will change.

[Glonass]

Just in from HR:

"The course plan for the new Financial Year has now been released. We do not have a requirement for Direct Entry Captains on the Boeing fleet going forward. A small number of DECs will be required on the Airbus fleet. To be eligible for a DEC position on the Airbus fleet, the candidate must be current on Airbus.

We therefore are not in a position to offer you a Direct Entry Captain position with Emirates. We, however, would be able offer you a First Officer position, should this be an option for you."

See you in Vegas.

[electricdeathjet]

Oh dear...

[Dune Buggy]

I got the same letter. Rather disappointing! I just wish that they did not check all of my referees from my current employer.

[fliion]

Good news (hopefully) for our FOs.

As to the DEC candidates.....perhaps a little insight into the emotion that our FOs felt when they thought command was coming ...only to have it given to DECs... Now the shoe is on your foot...So you can't complain.

Welcome to Sandpit MGT 101.

As Varmint said .... You had all been warned.

f.

[White none please]

Can you genuinely say there was even one FO whose command was delayed due to the DEC intake?
As stated previously, if you had taken the time to look before you joined, EK has for many years, taken DEC's from time to time, so if it bothers you that much.......

[fliion]

Bothered? No

Humoured? Yes.

Could you imagine a true global brand behaving this way towards the recruitment of SNR Managers. I mean its beyond belief.

I don't resent a DEC wannabe.

I just chuckle at the facilitators of the system that presents itself as a truly professional corporation - yet treats its current (FOs, ex Training chiefs) & future (DECs) managers in such a haphazard way.

I go to work, do what I'm told, pick up my check...and sit quietly in the Volvo as the facilitator ...the trainer, CRM guy, safety guy, the recruitment guy, assistant chief guy ... puts the perennial lipstick on the pig....

...it's still a pig

f.

[Dlink13]

Any DEC's still in the pool. Can someone post what has happened here??

[MucDoo]

Took a few on for June and July course on 330. Little bird tweets that 200 extra DEC's may be needed to cover something to do with in flight rest. Apparently GCAA not happy that rest is being calculated properly, I guess that means more pilots need to be rostered for certain flights...If you are still in a hold pool you may get something yet??:confused: