JAA Single Engine IR(H)

[Echelon9]

Hi all,

I am looking for a single engine IR(H) school. As far as I know here is only HeliHolland offering this with a Bell Longranger. Are there any other schools out there ?

Kind regards,
E.

[turbinturbin]

Billund AirCenter in Denmark and Proflight Nordic in Sweden also have SE IR coarses using Bell Longranger

Learn to Fly! - Leading Danish Pilot Training (http://www.billundaircenter.dk/uk/)

Proflight Nordic AB (http://proflight.se/training.php)

[Peter PanPan]

Check out Gestair in Portugal for SE IR(H) on the HU269.

[apb]

And Nortavia and Helibravo in Portugal too...they use R44

[Flyting]

Doing the IF rating on a single.... how does that effect your 3 year expiry on the ATPL exams??? Or does that have to be done on a twin?

[Echelon9]

THX all for the quick help ! Will contact the listed companies today

However I am seeing on some websites that IR Single Engine will be phased out... and that only Multi Engine will remain... is there a new or more strict regulation coming in place ? Any EASA references on this ?

[Jet Ranger]

If you read EASA PART-FCL, you will see that SE/IR-H is mentioned, and they predicted an extension from SE to the ME/IR-H (3 h sim plus 2 h on helicopter). That mean-SE/IR-H will stay.

JR

[Echelon9]

Hi Jet Ranger,

I indeed saw the text in EASA FCL :

"7. A single-engine IR(H) course shall comprise at least 50 hours instrument time under instruction, of which:
...
8. A multi-engine IR(H) course shall comprise at least 55 hours instrument time under instruction of which;
..."

But for the extension for SE to ME I only found a section with regards to instructor privileges :

"FCL.905.TRI TRI — Privileges and conditions
The privileges of a TRI are to instruct for:
...
3) the extension of the single-engine IR(H) to multi-engine IR(H);"

You mentioned a 'prediction' on this extension, would you have any sources on this ?

[Jet Ranger]

Look at this paragraph (EASA PART-FCL) :


FCL.630.H IR(H) – Extension of privileges from single-engine to multi-engine helicopters

Holders of an IR(H) valid for single-engine helicopters wishing to extend for the first time the IR(H) to multi-engine helicopters shall complete:

(a) a training course at an ATO comprising at least 5 hours dual instrument
instruction time, of which 3 hours may be in an FFS or FTD 2/3 or FNPT II/III; and

(b) section 5 of the skill test in accordance with Appendix 9 to [Part-FCL] on multi engine helicopters.

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Same thing is written in the last version of JAR/FCL 2, amend. 6

JR

[Echelon9]

check & THX !

Mr. Jet Ranger, another question : so you know which JAR members accept single-engine types as IFR-certificated ? (e.g. the B206L could be acceptable to Sweden, but how about UK or Belgium or France or ...)

FYI : just made a new thread on this question : http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/502819-ifr-certificated-helicopters-jar-easa.html

[Jet Ranger]

Well, to hard question for me ... but I know (actually I think) that some EU countries (UK, France, Germany etc) doesn´t accept SE-IFR anymore (not even the training on the SE IFR certified helicopters).

You can still do that in Sweden, Netherland, Denmark, Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc etc ...

We´ll see how it gonna be with the EASA rules - because the EASA wants the same standards for the whole EU states.


JR

[Torquetalk]

Jet ranger, unless you KNOW an authority does not recognise the provisions for SE IR(H), don't add to the mis-information. The UK CAA has long recognised the BAC course. If you have information that this has changed, and why that might be so, please contribute.

This provision is and has been very useful to many people (who may, for example already hold a relevant TR), whilst talk of its imminent death has been bandied about here for several years. Not very good for business for the training providers...

As to whether you actually save much money flying SIDs and doing all those approaches at 70 knots, well that is another matter. ;)

[Jet Ranger]

@TT

Jet ranger, unless you KNOW an authority does not recognise the provisions for SE IR(H), don't add to the mis-information. The UK CAA has long recognised the BAC course. If you have information that this has changed, and why that might be so, please contribute.
...sorry for misunderstanding...I didnt talk about the provisions...only that it is not possible to do the SE/IR-H training in some EU countries ... while, it is possible to do that in some other EU countries...

It will be interesting to see that things in the near future ... :ok:

JR

[Aucky]

I recently completed my SE IR in Denmark. The school was great. 206-L in IMC almost every flight down to legal training minima (October/November weather). It was issued without question by counter service at Gatwick whilst also renewing to an EASA licence. It's not usable in a commercial sense in the UK, however is relatively easily converted to ME IR as previously stated. I think that if the UK CAA don't find a way to allow training organisations in the UK to start offering these courses we will see more business lost abroad. For the curious, in Denmark you can't fly commercial air transport IFR in any single engine helicopter, but you can fly IFR in Denmark in Danish registered aircraft, for non-commercial purposes under their document BL 5-60 "Regulations on IFR flights with aeroplanes not operated in accordance with commercial air transport rules" (english translation found online also).

[Jet Ranger]

@Aucky
Very good post! :D

[nigelh]

Out of interest how long was the course and how much ?
How many hours training ? Any in Sim? Thanks

[Aucky]

Nigelh - PM.

20hrs sim, 25hrs in the Long-Ranger is the short of it in Denmark (if you already have the type rating, otherwise an additional 5hrs in the aircraft and a VFR element to the test).