Typhoons to deploy to the gulf.

[endplay]

It seems that the PM is cosidering deploying Typhoons to a base in Abu Dhabi as a response to the Iranian nuclear crisis. Will they be flying as escort to the Israelis? (See the "i" for the full report)

[raytofclimb]

....... or just to ATLC. A multi-national course we've been supporting for years with various fleets? (made famous by Timberlake-Gate!)

Ray

[November4]

Warning order for Op Deny Christmas has arrived early this year...

[hval]

CAS denies that it is a reaction to tensions with Iran.

The Typhoons are taking part in an exercise that has been planned for well over a year.

[lj101]

.... And they deployed half the jets last week .....as others have said, standard multi nation exercise that's involved the RAF for years.

[TEEEJ]

CAS interview at following video link.

CAS calls for shake up in keynote speech | British Forces News (http://www.bfbs.com/news/top-story/cas-calls-shake-keynote-speech-61580.html)

Sounds like someone in the media has mixed up ATLC Advanced Tactical Leadership Course in UAE for a deployment? Open Source has the dates as 11 Nov - 6 Dec 2012.

For the journalists that might have the wrong end of the stick.

ATLC - 2011

Arabian Aerospace - Building block missions cement RAF/UAE relations (http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/building-block-missions-cement-raf-uae-relations.html)

ATLC - 2010

Arabian Aerospace - Fighters from six nations train in the UAE's skies (http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/fighters-from-six-nations-train-in-the-uae-s-skies.html)

ATLC - 2009

Dubai 09: UAE hosts first mock dogfights for F-22, Typhoon, Rafale (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-09-uae-hosts-first-mock-dogfights-for-f-22-typhoon-rafale-335223/)

ATLC - 2008

Advanced Tactical Leadership Course (http://www.xisquadronassociation.co.uk/news/news_ATLC.html)

[Uncle Ginsters]

...unless their stay should be extended for any reason...:oh:

[mini]

And Iran Yawwwns as usual

[diginagain]

Should any of our chaps become guests of the Iranians, at least they won't feel out of place in ill-fitting shiny suits and plastic shoes.

[minigundiplomat]

They could always practice their tactical leadership and multinational cooperation in Helmand like the SH and AT fleets.

[Climebear]

They could always practice their tactical leadership and multinational cooperation in Helmand like the SH and AT fleets.

Why would you deploy an aircraft like Typhoon and then restrict it to one Province in Afghanistan (or even the 3 districts inhabited by TFH)? Wouldn't it be more effective to use it across the UK's JOA like we do with the other elements of the UK Air Component (Tornado GR4, Reaper, Sentinal...) supporting ISAF where they are needed?

Mind you, I am not aware of a request from ISAF for the deployment of more fast-air so are you suggesting we deploy Typhoon because we could rather than for any operational reason?

Then again, like both the Naval Service and the Army, perhaps we could accept that we have a range of capabilities and need to prepare them to fight 'a war' as well as fighting 'the war'.

[minigundiplomat]

Sense of humour for table 1......

Above was made in jest, but since you raise such interesting points, allow me to provide answers.

Why would you deploy an aircraft like Typhoon and then restrict it to one
Province in Afghanistan (or even the 3 districts inhabited by TFH)? Wouldn't it
be more effective to use it across the UK's JOA like we do with the other
elements of the UK Air Component (Tornado GR4, Reaper, Sentinal...) supporting
ISAF where they are needed?

The Belgians deployed F-16's to theatre..... refresh my memory, which RC or province are they responsible for?

Mind you, I am not aware of a request from ISAF for the deployment of more
fast-air so are you suggesting we deploy Typhoon because we could rather than
for any operational reason?


So what is the Operational reason for the Typhoon? 3 months over Libya is a good start, but having almost bankrupt the remainder of the RAF to pay for them, the role of LFA commando's is a bit of an expensive folly.

Then again, like both the Naval Service and the Army, perhaps we could accept
that we have a range of capabilities and need to prepare them to fight 'a war'
as well as fighting 'the war'.

I don't suspect, I know that the Army and Navy [lesser extent - RM excluded] would love to prepare themselves for 'a war'. Unfortunately, they don't have the luxury as they are all maxed out fighting 'the war' at the moment. Additional resources would allow them to prepare for 'a war' but someone spent all the money on some cold war era white elephant.

[Climebear]

Sense of humour for table 1......

Above was made in jest, but since you raise such interesting points, allow me to provide answers.

Why would you deploy an aircraft like Typhoon and then restrict it to one
Province in Afghanistan (or even the 3 districts inhabited by TFH)? Wouldn't it
be more effective to use it across the UK's JOA like we do with the other
elements of the UK Air Component (Tornado GR4, Reaper, Sentinal...) supporting
ISAF where they are needed?

The Belgians deployed F-16's to theatre..... refresh my memory, which RC or province are they responsible for?

Mind you, I am not aware of a request from ISAF for the deployment of more
fast-air so are you suggesting we deploy Typhoon because we could rather than
for any operational reason?


So what is the Operational reason for the Typhoon? 3 months over Libya is a good start, but having almost bankrupt the remainder of the RAF to pay for them, the role of LFA commando's is a bit of an expensive folly.

Then again, like both the Naval Service and the Army, perhaps we could accept
that we have a range of capabilities and need to prepare them to fight 'a war'
as well as fighting 'the war'.

I don't suspect, I know that the Army and Navy [lesser extent - RM excluded] would love to prepare themselves for 'a war'. Unfortunately, they don't have the luxury as they are all maxed out fighting 'the war' at the moment. Additional resources would allow them to prepare for 'a war' but someone spent all the money on some cold war era white elephant.

F16s - QED. Air and to a degree Aviation is best utilised when it is not constrained by individual ground AOs

Op reason for Typhoon - You mean apart from Control of the Air, Combat ISTAR...

Preparing for 'a war'. Both the Naval Service and the Army are.

RN - new ships and boats (never to be used on HERRICK); removal of HQ 3 Cdo Bde from HERRICK tour plot do it can reconstitute the lead Cdo Group as witnessed by the current Amphib Task Force bobbing around.

Army - ARMY 2020 looks very different to the HERRICK construct. The majority of the land Reaction Forces will comprise 3 Armoured Brigades (based on good old (to use your phrase) 'cold war' MTBs and IFVs) . Hence an equipment programme to update Warriors (6 Bns + worth not the 1 Coy on HERRICK) and Scout. Also 16 AA Bde is now out of the HERRICK tour plot in order to reconstitute the Lead Airbourne Task Force (with a smaller Bde post Army 2020). The Army is very much focussed on a return to contingency.

[minigundiplomat]

Clime,

original post was tongue in cheek. I'm sure the answers above are perfectly valid, but not sure the thread needs the circular PPrune arguments, so I'll leave you in peace.

Fly safe.

[gijoe]

'Airbourne'......No 'u's please.

All fair points made above by mgd and the comeback.

:ok:

[Climebear]

You need to take out some of your frustrations on yourself, then repost in the spirit of Minigun's ealier humerous post.
You look pretty silly for the high handed and obstinate post you replied with.
:D

You're right I did flash. And I'm sorry MGD.

(Came from being fed a constant diet hearing that unless things are happening in TFH's AOR (a comparatively small bit of Afghanistan) they don't count. I've been working in joint organizations for so long now that I should be used to it).

[minigundiplomat]

No apology required amigo,

I've flashed plenty of times in the past, and not with so much factual or considered context in the replies

[racedo]

The Typhoons are taking part in an exercise that has been planned for well over a year.

That reminds me of 1986 when Beeb were saying something similar as pictures of US aircraft taking off from UK on way to Libya............

[racedo]

Whats the bets the USSR er sorry Russia will decide to send an aircraft across on a "Fraternal" visit to see the sea off Scotland.....just to be friendly like :E

[TEEEJ]

Racedo,

Nothing new in that or did you forget to add 'carrier' to aircraft? The sole Russian aircraft carrier is reported to be going into a shipyard for a couple of years for upgrading.

Moscow set to upgrade Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier | Features & Opinion | RIA Novosti (http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20100406/158454665.html)

Question
Asked by Lord Jopling

To ask Her Majesty's Government, further to the Written Answer by Baroness Taylor of Bolton on 24 January 2008 (WA 58), on how many occasions in each of the last three years Royal Air Force aircraft have been launched to monitor Russian aircraft approaching UK airspace.[HL1663]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Astor of Hever): The number of days on which Royal Air Force Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) aircraft have launched to identify Russian military aviation that approached or entered the NATO air policing area for which the UK has responsibility in each of the past three years is contained in the table below. The Russian aircraft remained in international airspace at all times.

Number of days QRA launched in response to Russian military aviation

2009 - 11

2010 - 11

2011 - 10

2012 to July - 6

Lords Hansard text for 23 Jul 201223 July 2012 (pt 0001) (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201213/ldhansrd/text/120723w0001.htm)

September 12th was the last recorded intercept. Tu-95s in the North Sea.

'Russian Strategic Bombers Carry out North Patrols'

Russian Strategic Bombers Carry out North Patrols | Defense | RIA Novosti (http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120912/175920165.html)

[orca]

I think the chaps ought to be congratulated for planning something to do with Typhoon that came off within one calendar year. I've been waiting for almost two decades for the damn thing to deliver!;)

[Navaleye]

The sole Russian aircraft carrier is reported to be going into a shipyard for a couple of years for upgrading.

So that should be the last we see of it. Even the Rissians have a low opinion of it. Looking at the mess Sevmash have made of the rebuilt Indian ship, I suspect we will all be dead before it puts to sea again.

[Archimedes]

I think the chaps ought to be congratulated for planning something to do with Typhoon that came off within one calendar year. I've been waiting for almost two decades for the damn thing to deliver!;)

Op Ellamy passed you by entirely, then? :p

[skippedonce]

Along with the standard exercise programme, there's also a chance to flog some more of BAES' wares to those who just might be able to afford them.

Britain's Cameron visits Gulf to sell jets | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/britains-cameron-visits-gulf-to-sell-jets/story-e6frfkui-1226511081993)

[racedo]

If they buy the jets can we leave Camerloon with them ?

[orca]

Archimedes,

T'was merely banter old chap - and yes the FW part of Ellamy did pass me by - by about 30,000ft. Had they looked down just prior to going feet dry they'd have seen me waving! (Well - gesticulating rudely!;))

[Archimedes]

Banter spotted - hence the :p!

[TEEEJ]

The following video shows the Typhoons in the United Arab Emirates.

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