NutLoose
24th Oct 2012, 23:09
I am not only appalled, I am sickened by the way the remains of one of our ex Servicemen is being treated.. What is even worse is the way they are duping the family.. :mad:
Remember this?
Dennis Copping: Body of war pilot who crash-landed in his plane in the Sahara may have been found | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222406/Dennis-Copping-Body-war-pilot-crash-landed-plane-Sahara-found.html)
Well read on..
I think his story plumbs new depths even for the incompetent MOD. Frankly the article is a fudge the MOD, JCCC and the Defense attache have been let off the hook. The MOD have acknowledged the fact that they wrongly informed the family that the remains discovered were 'categorically' not those of Dennis Copping. The MOD press officer stated that DNA testing had been carried out and determined that the bones were 400 years old. Not only is this impossible (DNA testing cannot be used to determine age) it is completely untrue. This is what the family were told and this is also the information that was released to the press. This has been confirmed to me both by the family and a reporter independently. When questioned the MOD press officer referred to the Joint casualty and compassionate center JCCC. they in turn stated that their information had come from the defense attache in Cairo namely Capt Collins. When Capt Collins was eventually contacted by a reporter. He allegedly stated that he dismissed the claims of the Italians as the information was not credible. He was allegedly told by an unnamed Egyptian that they find remains in the desert all the time they are probably 400 years old hence the age. This apparently filtered back to the MOD press office presumably by via JCCC who we must assume have accepted the veracity of the information without any further inquiry. This was then relayed to the family. All of this despite the fact that the defense attache visited the crash site and apparently took part in the recovery of the aircraft. It seems that the limited resources available didn't stretch to the five or so extra miles required to recover the remains! No attempt has been made to make any inquiries whatsoever by the MOD. When the MOD finally becane aware of what they have apparently decribed as a "terrible mistake" they indicated that would apologise to the family as soon as possible. That was nearly a month ago and the family have still not been contacted. I guess JCCC were too busy to contact them?
The discovery by the Polish Oil workers looks very much to be suspect. The aircraft was in fact discovered as posted on the now suspended P40 thread by the Italian ARIDO team in February. They then informed the Egyptian authorities who asked them to keep quiet about it to preserve the aircraft from souvenir hunters. Unfortunately the information leaked out and it seems the polish team saw an opportunity. They took the pictures that were used around the world i am betting not for free! All of this despite the fact that oil exploration teams find the remains of servicemen regularly in the desert and whilst it is not a hard and fast rule. There is certainly a code of ethics amongst the oil industry that these finds are not publicized. To prevent precisely what happened in this case i.e. the family finding out from the press and not from the MOD after proper and thorough investigation.
It is one thing to have a policy that does not include the recovery of the remains of fallen servicemen it is entirely another to disseminate false information to the family and wider public. This is an absolute disgrace and the only allegiance shown by the press is to the MOD and not the family of the fallen pilot. How would you feel in their place? it is utterly appalling. All of this on the anniversary of the second battle of Alamein and only a few weeks short of remembrance Sunday. I cannot be the only person that thinks that spending the meager sum of money required to recover and test a sample from the desert seems like a very small price to pay for the sacrifice made by Dennis Copping and his family?
Egyptian P40 scandal article - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=120188)
I believe there are also some issues with the recovered aircraft by the RAFM and its location now sitting in a container outside an Eygptian Museum. I would love to see the RAFM expenditure over this, because it appears as they have paid out and haven't got anything for it.
One hopes someone reading this has some influence to get this guy recovered and properly laid to rest..... :mad:
I wrote to my MP in July to see if I could get some clarification here is the reply I received from Andrew Robathan MP
"I understand that Flt Sgt Copping went missing whilst piloting Kittyhawk ET574 on 28th June 1942. Earlier this year a Kittyhawk aeroplane was found in the Egyptian Sahara desert on the eastern edge of the Great Sand Sea, and subsequent investigations identified it as ET574. Regrettably Flt Sgt Copping was not inside the aircraft. Although it is presently in the El Alamein Museum. It is hoped the the aircraft will be returned eventually to the RAF museum at Hendon.
In June remains were found five kilometres away from the crash site but early indications are that they are not those of Flt Sgt Copping. His family have been traced and advised of these developments, and will continue to be kept updated.
Should the remains of Flt Sgt Copping be found subsequently, in accordance with Ministry of Defence policy in place at the time of his death, he will not be repatriated to the UK. Following the cessation of the Falkland's conflict, the remains of our fallen servicemen and women who die whilst serving overseas are now routinely repatriated to the UK. However, up until the 1960's, the policy of successive British Governments had been to bury personnel in the country where they fell. Therefore, if Flt Sgt Copping is eventually found his body will be buried with full military honours in a Commonwealth War Graves Commission Cemetery in Egypt."
Remember this?
Dennis Copping: Body of war pilot who crash-landed in his plane in the Sahara may have been found | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222406/Dennis-Copping-Body-war-pilot-crash-landed-plane-Sahara-found.html)
Well read on..
I think his story plumbs new depths even for the incompetent MOD. Frankly the article is a fudge the MOD, JCCC and the Defense attache have been let off the hook. The MOD have acknowledged the fact that they wrongly informed the family that the remains discovered were 'categorically' not those of Dennis Copping. The MOD press officer stated that DNA testing had been carried out and determined that the bones were 400 years old. Not only is this impossible (DNA testing cannot be used to determine age) it is completely untrue. This is what the family were told and this is also the information that was released to the press. This has been confirmed to me both by the family and a reporter independently. When questioned the MOD press officer referred to the Joint casualty and compassionate center JCCC. they in turn stated that their information had come from the defense attache in Cairo namely Capt Collins. When Capt Collins was eventually contacted by a reporter. He allegedly stated that he dismissed the claims of the Italians as the information was not credible. He was allegedly told by an unnamed Egyptian that they find remains in the desert all the time they are probably 400 years old hence the age. This apparently filtered back to the MOD press office presumably by via JCCC who we must assume have accepted the veracity of the information without any further inquiry. This was then relayed to the family. All of this despite the fact that the defense attache visited the crash site and apparently took part in the recovery of the aircraft. It seems that the limited resources available didn't stretch to the five or so extra miles required to recover the remains! No attempt has been made to make any inquiries whatsoever by the MOD. When the MOD finally becane aware of what they have apparently decribed as a "terrible mistake" they indicated that would apologise to the family as soon as possible. That was nearly a month ago and the family have still not been contacted. I guess JCCC were too busy to contact them?
The discovery by the Polish Oil workers looks very much to be suspect. The aircraft was in fact discovered as posted on the now suspended P40 thread by the Italian ARIDO team in February. They then informed the Egyptian authorities who asked them to keep quiet about it to preserve the aircraft from souvenir hunters. Unfortunately the information leaked out and it seems the polish team saw an opportunity. They took the pictures that were used around the world i am betting not for free! All of this despite the fact that oil exploration teams find the remains of servicemen regularly in the desert and whilst it is not a hard and fast rule. There is certainly a code of ethics amongst the oil industry that these finds are not publicized. To prevent precisely what happened in this case i.e. the family finding out from the press and not from the MOD after proper and thorough investigation.
It is one thing to have a policy that does not include the recovery of the remains of fallen servicemen it is entirely another to disseminate false information to the family and wider public. This is an absolute disgrace and the only allegiance shown by the press is to the MOD and not the family of the fallen pilot. How would you feel in their place? it is utterly appalling. All of this on the anniversary of the second battle of Alamein and only a few weeks short of remembrance Sunday. I cannot be the only person that thinks that spending the meager sum of money required to recover and test a sample from the desert seems like a very small price to pay for the sacrifice made by Dennis Copping and his family?
Egyptian P40 scandal article - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=120188)
I believe there are also some issues with the recovered aircraft by the RAFM and its location now sitting in a container outside an Eygptian Museum. I would love to see the RAFM expenditure over this, because it appears as they have paid out and haven't got anything for it.
One hopes someone reading this has some influence to get this guy recovered and properly laid to rest..... :mad:
I wrote to my MP in July to see if I could get some clarification here is the reply I received from Andrew Robathan MP
"I understand that Flt Sgt Copping went missing whilst piloting Kittyhawk ET574 on 28th June 1942. Earlier this year a Kittyhawk aeroplane was found in the Egyptian Sahara desert on the eastern edge of the Great Sand Sea, and subsequent investigations identified it as ET574. Regrettably Flt Sgt Copping was not inside the aircraft. Although it is presently in the El Alamein Museum. It is hoped the the aircraft will be returned eventually to the RAF museum at Hendon.
In June remains were found five kilometres away from the crash site but early indications are that they are not those of Flt Sgt Copping. His family have been traced and advised of these developments, and will continue to be kept updated.
Should the remains of Flt Sgt Copping be found subsequently, in accordance with Ministry of Defence policy in place at the time of his death, he will not be repatriated to the UK. Following the cessation of the Falkland's conflict, the remains of our fallen servicemen and women who die whilst serving overseas are now routinely repatriated to the UK. However, up until the 1960's, the policy of successive British Governments had been to bury personnel in the country where they fell. Therefore, if Flt Sgt Copping is eventually found his body will be buried with full military honours in a Commonwealth War Graves Commission Cemetery in Egypt."