No wonder nobody applauded (German c-160 landed short)

[Christodoulidesd]

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More info here:

"On the airfield Ballenstedt in Saxony-Anhalt came on Tuesday nearly a fatal accident. Nearly 1,000 people had, according to a report in the "Bild" newspaper gathered to the arrival of a decommissioned by the army transport aircraft of the type C-160 Transall attend, which was intended for the air museum Wernigerode. The aircraft touched down at about 11 clock on the landing, however, the approach became obviously too low. Shortly after the twin-engine transport aircraft touched down first with the main landing gear on a road that runs across the runway. Finally, the pilot still managed to maneuver their aircraft on the runway and there to a standstill, however, show photos that were published of "image" as well as a video that the machine missed some onlookers by only a few meters" from LiveLeak.com - Near catastrophe in the last flight of a German military aircraft

[Checkboard]

"Hey, Hans! - I bet I can stop this empty short fielder before the piano keys ..." ;)

- Not really R&N material, though. :rolleyes:

[FR8R H8R]

Hope they retired the pilot as well as the aircraft. While the bounce over the fence was cool, where did they plan to land? Displaced threshold as well. Bad. Just bad.

[Load Toad]

I don't really think bouncing over the fence was part of the plan.....

[500N]

Looking at the video, it seems he just clipped the edge of the road
and rolled up onto it.

Another foot or two lower and it seems regardless of the
suspension in the wheels, it might have been a belly landing
followed by a skid onto the runway.

That would have been even worse !

[con-pilot]

Naw, it was planned, that first hit, err landing, on the road dissipated most of the energy and speed of the aircraft. Then the resulting short landing roll.




If I had been the pilot, that would have been my story and I would have stuck to it. :p

[Cacophonix]

Short landing by cargo plane on a quasi display flight...?

Even the best pilots get it wrong or something can go wrong...

Farnborough Airshow Crash - YouTube

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/deHavilland_DHC5D_story%5B1%5D.pdf

Captain in this thread's case must must be kicking himself and also thanking his lucky stars.

Caco

[KAG]

I jumped many times from the Transall C160 in Europe and Africa, that's a nice airplane.

This C160 landing is..... Well... Interesting....
Thanks for sharing.

[diginagain]

From the CVR;

How wide is that runway?

[EDMJ]

Looking at the video, it seems he just clipped the edge of the road
and rolled up onto it.

It was a she..... :E

[Basil]

Good shot for any pilot to watch.
Admittedly empty but tough little u/c :ok:

[green granite]

I'm amazed it didn't wipe a few spotters out, they usually like standing right underneath the approach path. There again perhaps they'd seen it before and were wary.

[hetfield]

It was a she..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gifHopefully wearing an extra strong sports bra:ouch:

[BOAC]

Anyone know how 'short' the ACTUAL runway was in terms of a Transall?

[EDMJ]

Ballenstedt has a 685 m long runway

[ORAC]

That's not a short landing - this is a short landing.... :ouch:

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[BOAC]

Ballenstedt has a 685 m long runway - not over-long! Anyone know what an empty Transall can do?

[t7a]

:cool: This thread ties in nicely with last month's 'Landing' thread! Courtney seems to be remarkably quiet!

[NutLoose]

Thread already running with other vids

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/498279-german-transalls-final-flight-into-museum-lands-road-first.html

[TT2]

I reckon it was deliberate. Anyone here flown into really short strips? I've been into a few (Many times) and there aren't fixed distance markers so perspective becomes all. Easy to get a bit short - human nature when the mind's eye thinks "Ooooohhh, that's a bit piggin' not long enough".

[EDMJ]

Anyone know what an empty Transall can do?

I've seen German Transall's practicing take-offs and landings on a smallish GA field in my neighbourhood with an 800 m runway, and it was absolutely effortless. They have also been said to do the same on another airfield here in the area with a 735 m grass runway.

[StopStart]

I reckon it was deliberate. Anyone here flown into really short strips?

I've flown into plenty of short strips, usually grass or dirt, in the dark, in a bigger aircraft than that, marked out with far less than that runway and I've yet to mong it as badly as that (there's still time of course).

I'm assuming they had a dispensation to ignore the displaced threshold (hence the fenced off road) however the fact they were pretty much at taxi speed abeam the PAPIS suggests that this was in no way "intentional". Too flat an approach, misjudged aim point and pilot error is what that was.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

A German newspaper stated that there wouldn't be an inquiry as it was the aircraft's last flight (or aircraft type's last flight, my German's not that great).

I expect the pilot will still get a ...(insert currently PC term for female pilots getting a bollocking).

Thanks for the C-130 vid ORAC - oh for the days when what you thought up in the bar/your garage could still be tried out a a major engineering company the next day.

[The Helpful Stacker]

I expect the pilot will still get a ...(insert currently PC term for female pilots getting a bollocking).

I'm guessing the un-PC term would be a shafting.....

[TT2]

'I'm assuming they had a dispensation to ignore the displaced threshold (hence the fenced off road) however the fact they were pretty much at taxi speed abeam the PAPIS suggests that this was in no way "intentional". Too flat an approach, misjudged aim point and pilot error is what that was.'

'Course it was pilot error, and who among us have not had that shaky hand bit in the pub after making an almighty cock up? (And not getting caught or dead). To err is human. I have yet to meet the perfect person.

[500N]

"I expect the pilot will still get a ...(insert currently PC term for female pilots getting a bollocking)."


I was going to say ramming.

[Rigga]

"Hans, Das ist eine sehr kurtz Startbahn!

"Ja Gunter! aber so breit!"

[Ripline]

Hans, Das ist eine sehr kurtz Startbahn!

"Ja Gunter! aber so breit!"

What's "kurtz"? D'ya mean "kurze"?:E

[Rigga]

okay...'s been a while...

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I thought he meant Kurtz, as in 'evil, bastard'

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8ZLZsV89Ns0/TIn0iPA4NsI/AAAAAAAAAWg/Hqi9PSfQrG8/marlin-brando-as-colonel-kurtz-apolcalypse-now-1979.gif

[BBK]

T7a

My thoughts exactly;)

Touch down zone anyone...

BBK

[dead_pan]

Courtney seems to be remarkably quiet!

I recall he did say that anyone who couldn't land between the piano keys and the numbers is a girl. This vid proves his point.

[A A Gruntpuddock]

As a non-flyer, it looks to me that the pilot did not expect the road to be slightly higher than the runway.

[mike-wsm]

Innteresting. I was under a rather large airliner when it did similar, trusting little soul, didn't even try to run...

[GuilhasXXI]

Just another view from a different spotter

Transall C-160 in Ballenstedt - YouTube

[MightyGem]

As a non-flyer, it looks to me that the pilot did not expect the road to be slightly higher than the runway.
Even so, he was still undershooting the piano keys.

[airborne_artist]

As a non-flyer, it looks to me that the pilot did not expect the road to be slightly higher than the runway.

Never assume ... (or time spent on reconnaissance is never wasted) ;)

[rmac]

Did a series of freeze frames on the clip from post 35 and it shows clearly that the gear touched down after the road, but before the runway and it seems that the grass between the road and the runway is an embankment with a peak height of a metre or two above the runway height and the main gear just kisses that peak, if there was no bank the trajectory would have been on target for the threshold.....interesting perspective gotcha rather than a vanilla land-short.

[Biggus]

rmac,

"....shows clearly that the gear touched down after the road....".

I don't think so, have a look at the second photo down here:

Plane spotting enthusiasts come within inches of death after military aircraft misses runway | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253449/Plane-spotting-enthusiasts-come-inches-death-military-aircraft-misses-runway.html?ICO=most_read_module)

Only 3 threads running on this incident at the moment, any chance the mods could combine them, or remove some?

[rmac]

Yes, agreed, that's a clearer shot, road is on the embankment and embankment got in the way of the "glide path". CFIT incident then :E

[tmmorris]

According to the Daily Mail site the pilot stopped it 100yds after the threshold. Some good piloting, then.

Tim

[BOAC]

the pilot stopped it 100yds after the threshold. Some good piloting, then. ??? Despite the fact that she nearly stopped it 100yds SHORT of the runway?:confused:

[Onceapilot]

It was a c#ck-up! Good that no one was hurt.
Always remember that NO-ONE will notice your risk taking, no-margin flying. It looks just as good with a nice safety margin!

OAP

[Temp Spike]

Not very good at Spot landing. The official landing was in the dirt. Be picking dirt-clods out of the wheel wells for sure