Jetstar Swinburne/Oxford Cadetship 2013

[LKinnon]

Yes, I know there are threads on the Jetstar Cadetship here, but nothing is recent, the situation has changed and there is current little information available on this topic.

I submitted an application directly on the Jetstar website for the Jetstar Cadetship in 2013, which is an Associate Degree done thru Swinburne/Oxford.

I haven't heard anything back at all. Not sure if this means I just need to wait for interviews in November.

Has anyone heard anything or got updates about the 2013 Jetstar Cadetships?

[mcgrath50]

There is a backlog of pilots waiting to start their type ratings and line training from the first course (which commenced July 2010). A lot are leaving the cadetship to go work GA or just sitting in Melbourne working casual jobs. They have very little idea when they will start.

[The Kelpie]

They were all warned!!

Same situation on the Qlink cadet ship from what I understand, keen to get cadets to part with their money but then have them hanging around jobless until a course vacancy arises.

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[The Kelpie]

There is a backlog of pilots waiting to start their type ratings and line training from the first course (which commenced July 2010). A lot are leaving the cadetship to go work GA or just sitting in Melbourne working casual jobs. They have very little idea when they will start.

To become contaminated by the big bad GA industry. Well that was the argument put forward in support of cadetships that experienced GA guys were less suitable for an airline career than intensively trained cadets. I call bul****t!!

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[illusion]

What is the world coming to. A cadet actually having to get their hands dirty in GA? Shock! Horror! Call the UN, call the Human Rights Commission, call the RSPCA...:{

[LKinnon]

I guess if people started their cadetship in 2010, have a few still waiting for line training in late 2012 is not too bad considering the flight training should take 18 months.

Does this also mean some Jetstar cadets have done their line training already?

If there is a backlog maybe there won't be any cadets in 2013?

Has anyone heard back from Jetstar?

[mtrench]

I see a lot of JQ pilots around terminals with 2 stripes (flying A320's). Is that a cadet pilot or direct entry? Out of curiousity.

[AviatoR21]

Cadet for two stripes.

[UnderneathTheRadar]

If there is a backlog maybe there won't be any cadets in 2013?

What, and deny Oxford and Jetstar their chance to make a profit training cadets? Dont be silly, of course they'll still take cadets.... Just ask how many are in front waiting for a start at the interview. Or, do them for deception under Trade Practices later...


UTR

PS It's probably a good idea to learn the name of the institute you're intending on studying at.....

[LKinnon]

I don't see how Jetstar would make a profit from the cadetships, as they don't receive any cash.

Other posters here have mentioned earlier cadets doing line training and flying, so what is deceptive?

[SpyderPig]

Maybe try the search function on here, do some research and get educated about how their system works before getting to pumped up about this fantastic little program :rolleyes:

[LKinnon]

I've used the search function and done research. What I'm looking for is current details about the Jetstar cadetship.

A lot has been written on the topic, but little by actual students or teachers.

[The Kelpie]

LKInnon

JQ Cadetship currently on hold probably due to being oversubscribed as a result of oxford and jetstar falling over themselves to take in the money and now failing to make sufficient training slots (read Jobs) available to meet the number of cadets they awarded cadetships (a term I use loosely) to. More likely that they are currently assessing the profitability and therefore viability of continuing with the program in Australia following the irregularities exposed during the Senate Inquiry on Pilot Training held last year and the impending prosecution by Fairwork Australia on the employment of Australian Cadets by the New Zealand subsidiary earning New Zealand Wages.


I don't see how Jetstar would make a profit from the cadetships, as they don't receive any cash.


Yes they do.

The Advanced element of the Cadetship is financed up front by Jetstar and Cadets pay Jetstar back over a period of 6 years through deductions from their paycheck.

The slight of hand is in the wording of the Training Bond.

The Cadets enter into a Training Bond with Jetstar for a fixed amount which Jetstar can increase at its sole discretion (yes, you heard right, a blank cheque!). This is where the slight of hand comes in as the bond amount does not correspond to the amount that Oxford Aviation invoices Jetstar, the two are mutually exclusive and the wording of the bonding agreement reflects this.

The difference between the two amounts is simply an amount Jetstar creams off the top. Additionally Jetstar claims the GST back from the Australian Government on the Oxford invoice and because the Cadet never receives a sales invoice from Jetstar to reflect the deductions made from the Cadets Salary the company does not pay GST on the 'supply' it makes.

Pretty complicated, but deliberatly so!!

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[UnderneathTheRadar]

Or, do them for deception under Trade Practices later...

The full text I should have used is deceptive and misleading conduct (see section 52 of the act
52. (1) A corporation shall not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that
is misleading or deceptive.

Signing up cadets knowing full well that there is a logjam ahead and no immediate prospect of said cadet getting anywhere near a type rating would seem to meet the above unless there is full disclosure at interview time.....

[LKinnon]

If there are 30 Jetstar cadets a years and JQ makes, say $10k each, it's only $300k. Why would an operation that size bother for peanuts?

The bond is a loan by JQ and the motivation seems to be a mix of helping the cadets and also binding them to the airline, rather than gouging profits.

I'd really like to hear from JQ cadets or pilots to get an idea of what is happening.

All of the posts here seem to be by people who have read posts by other people, who in turn have read posts by other people.

How about some first-hand information from actual JQ pilots?

[CPT733]

LKinnon

You probably wont get a reply in regards to the course details here cause the cadets or former cadets are probably flying a320 or whatever and the rest of the people here were denied and are in GA bitching ...... Simple

IM in GA as well and would rather be a cadet.....Jelous much .. yes!!!

PS: Rest of the forum feel free to start insulting me about how good instructing, slugging cargo around or sitting in the mines is and how bad it is to be working for a airliner or being on a backlog of cadets waiting to surely get there before us is.....

[The Kelpie]

LKinnon

Real JQ Pilots. - You Rang??

[The Kelpie]

Signing up cadets knowing full well that there is a logjam ahead and no immediate prospect of said cadet getting anywhere near a type rating would seem to meet the above unless there is full disclosure at interview time.....

They do give full disclosure at Interview.

It is made very clear that even following completion of the course there is no guarantee of a job!!!

Yes these are designer courses endorsed by Jetstar but the Cadets are not employed whilst on course and if a job is offerred to them there is no guarantee as to when they will start.

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[j3pipercub]

Kinnon,

Just tell us what you want to hear so someone can regurgitate it back to you.

j3

[SpyderPig]

You will be hard pressed to find any of that first hand information on here. None have come forward thus far. I looked into this when it started and on reading closely ran the other way. Granted this was when they were shipping cadets off to NZ to keep the costs down. But hey, enjoy the ride I guess

[CPT733]

Probably cause there flying for a airliner while the rejects bitch

[LKinnon]

I can't see anything deceptive in the JQ cadetships, although the NZ employment thing was definitely a bit shifty.

Why bum around in planes that were old before I was born, earning peanuts in GA for years with no certainty of a long term career? A cadetship would probably mean I get to the airlines and a decent career years earlier.

If the cadetship gets me to the airlines five years early and I earn an average of $70k a year more than GA, the cadetship is worth something like $350k to me.

[22k]

Nice rose coloured glasses you're wearing...

[morno]

Here here. If you don't want to hear the truth, why'd you ask?

Why bum around in planes that were old before I was born, earning peanuts in GA for years with no certainty of a long term career? A cadetship would probably mean I get to the airlines and a decent career years earlier

Because you gain valuable command experience that'll stay with you for the rest of your career. And peanuts? I know GA doesn't pay that well, but peanuts? It sure as hell pays better these days than it did!

The aviation industry is more than just the airlines sonny jim.

As j3 said, if you don't like what people are telling you, how about you just tell us what you want to hear, and we'll regurgitate it for you, :E.

morno

[LKinnon]

None of the people bagging the JQ cadetship seem to have any direct experience with it.

All I want is to hear first-hand from someone who has.

Realistically, who here would really want to hang around hot dusty airports flying decrepit old C206s for a minimum wage if they had the choice of flying jets for an airline and making three time the money?

[wishiwasupthere]

Realistically, who here would really want to hang around hot dusty airports flying decrepit old C206s for a minimum wage if they had the choice of (http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=7470371#) flying jets for an airline and making three time the money?

And cos you, like, get to walk around the airport with your, like, uniform and Ray Bans, cos the chicks dig it, right?

[Joker89]

Don't feed the trolls

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

None of the people bagging the JQ cadetship seem to have any direct experience with it.


That's right. They have followed the path that gives them respected experience in the industry, rather than creating more work for a captain who has to not only do his job, but babysit a junior FO who posesses nothing more than an inflated sense of entitlement.

Doing your time in GA will make you a much better pilot, teach you about airmanship and interacting with other aircraft, develop the contacts you will need later in your career and might actually be fun!

Your attitude is of the reasons I prefer not to fly deathstar.

ps. Seems everyone seems to selectively ignore the fact that the job is not guaranteed with the cadetship.:cool:

[Oktas8]

Now now people. If I was 18 and was offered a cadetship I would have taken it too. And, had the interweb existed, I might have embarrassed myself on public forums by speaking my mind a little too freely. Let's not get too excited about LKinnon's enthusiasm at this early stage of his career.

LK - I hope you succeed in your career, whichever way it pans out. In my experience though, it's unwise to do anything just for the money. By all means go for the airlines, but all that glitters is not gold as they say.

[Tidbinbilla]

Oh god, here we go again :ugh: