Comparsion help needed

[jamesleaman]

Hi All,

Looking at two FTO's in Greece; Both well known and both seem very reputable :)

Egnatia Aviation & Jetstream Aviation Academy -

I'm going to try and keep this post short and sweet, but all the same I would value some well founded answer and no arguments please.

Egnatia are Offering -
(I've heard some very very good reviews about this FTO, more-so than JAA and therefore am currently favoring Egnatia)
59,400euro all inclusive, including accommodation, Transfers, WIFI...etc
JAA/EASA fATPL 228hrs
(100 SE DV20 Katana, 50 SE AERO AT3 R 100, 20 SE Diamond DA40 NG, 35 FNPT II Sim + 23 ME DA42 NG)
Bristol GS Full time ATPL course
MCC at additional 2250euros or I can go elsewhere

Jetstream Aviation Academy are offering -
69,500euro all inclusive
JAA/EASA fATPL 200hrs :rolleyes:
(136 SE DA40, 35 FNPT II Sim + 11 ME DA42 NG)
1000HRS ATPL theory ground school
MCC included (20 hrs)
Advanced A320 Type Rating (Frankfurt or AMS)
11 days of classroom theoretical training
40 hours of training on the A320 Visual Procedure Trainer
10 Full Flight Simulator Sessions


What do you think?

Like I've mentioned in previous topics, I have already been accepted in CTC's Cadet scheme, however would rather pay substantially less and receive the same pieces of paper license!

As it stands I'm more inclined to Egnatia - Why? Because I've heard excellent reviews from them, I hear they are becoming a well known FTO amongst European airlines, they offer more ME hours, there correspondence has been very good, I've spoke to a few past students who are now employed, there seems to be good moral between everyone at the school, there is lots videos on youtube (never a bad thing, huh?) and there aircraft/facilities look modern, clean and very well maintained..!

- Have I answered my own question? :O Regardless I would very much value your opinions..

Thanks in advanced.

[Bealzebub]

Like I've mentioned in previous topics, I have already been accepted in CTC's Cadet scheme, however would rather pay substantially less and receive the same pieces of paper license

Then what?

If you only want the "same pieces of paper" There are even cheaper routes you could consider.

[RAY - Musician Pilot]

Jetstream and Egnatia provide really competitive cost compare with other FTO (eg: CTC wing, OAA, FTE, PTC, even BCFT....)

If finally I decide to start the integrated training, I think I will go for either one of this two.

Personally, I love the package of Jetstream, because It include the TR and MCC, also 136 hours SE in DA40 (which is the best and new single engine aircraft for myself personally), but Egnatia offer more ME hours and total flying hours.

For ground school, I hear that people said that how great for Bristol GS Full time ATPL course, however personally I don't really know the quality and pass rate of this two FTO.

However, if no airline job within3-6 months, the TR will be wasted.

Anyway, this is very difficult to choose the best one.

[RAY - Musician Pilot]

Egnatia Aviation has create a new integrated course (from 0 to fATPL)

IKAROS-I Airline Pilot Integrated Preparation Program

117 hours on a Single Engine Aircraft DV20 Katana
70 hours on a FNPT II Simulator
23 hours on a DA42 Twin Engine Aircraft
Up to 3 hours DA42 Aircraft Use for the Skill Test
All the necessary training materials including books, maps, charts, headset etc.
All necessary accommodation and transfers between accommodation and airport
All landing and approach fees
All Authority fees
English Language Proficiency Test
All Examiners and Examination fees.
All applicable Taxes

However, compare with the old course, this course contain much more simulator flying instead of real aircraft flying experience.....

[Juliette Alpha]

@ray, you're in HK and you're thinking about doing integrated flight training? What about the CX and KA cadet programs?

[RAY - Musician Pilot]

I am final year university student.......
Yes, I will try the Cadet Pilot Program of CX and KA first.....
However, if I cannot success in the selection process of CPP...
I may consider the integrated training in Euro or Canada/US or even Australia (Although the cost is very expensive nowadays)

[portos8]

Just a thought on flight training in Greece. Greece is at the heart of the Euro crisis, and even though things at the moment look calm, last summer the country was on fire with violent demonstrations and strikes. Nothing fundamentally has changed in this situation and there is still a real threat that Greece will be forced out of the eurozone, defaulding on its gigantic foreign debt if it refuses to make reforms and pay its financial obligations.
What will happen when it is kicked out of the Euro zone? The country will descent into chaos , not able to import fuell, with long lasting general strikes that will shut down airports, CAA and ATC. Flightschools will not be able to pay their €€€ financed aircraft, which will be confiscated by the leasing companies, banks will go bust with any funds paid into the accounts of the flightschool, not being recoverable. Riots, violence , possibly even civil war.
As most of the flightschools ask for big parts of the training to be paid up front you can get seriously burned financially, with your career in disarray.
The FTO's might look fine on the surface, but you will be investing in Greece as well. This brings with it incredible risks of loosing all your money.
I strongly suggest that you consider these risks when deciding where to start your flighttraining. There are many places in Europe where you will be able to get the same deal (all EASA approved training) without the potential hazards of a complete economical and social meltdown of the country where you are doing your training.

[Victo]

Well, I think that Greece won't leave the European Union tomorrow, nor after tomorrow. Europe has demonstrated being decided to not let any country fall. Talking about that at the moment is science fiction. I wouldn't stop from a starting a course there for this, those kind of rumours sink economies, and all this makes some people get very rich... A friend of mine works there on an md80 and he's very happy. It's true that the country is not living its best times, but it's still a wonderful place.

[Groundloop]

[QUOTE]Well, I think that Greece won't leave the European Union tomorrow, nor after tomorrow.[/QUOTE

It's not a question of Greece leaving the EU, it's about Greece leaving the Euro - two entirely different scenarios.

[Victo]

You're right Groundloop, my mistake, but I meant that things don't look so horrible any more, and that the EU showed her intentions of keeping united, things are starting to get better here in Europe, some changes had to be done and there were done. Sure we'll still have some more difficult times, but you don't hear anymore in european press talking about Greece, Portugal or Italy leaving eurozone.