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ORAC
17th Sep 2012, 10:37
AWST (Ares): China's New Stealth Fighter. Not a repeat from December 2010 (http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a95449fed-12dd-49d2-8479-a6e20a1cb3e5)


The US defense secretary is on his way to Beijing. Time to unveil a new stealth fighter...

Short take-off and vertical landing has been one of the two driving requirements behind the Joint Strike Fighter design, the other being stealth.

STOVL dictated the single engine, and the STOVL solution chosen for the F-35 demands a big vertical bay behind the cockpit, and a main engine located unusually far forward, to keep the driveshaft length within reason and to put the lift-cruise nozzle in the right longitudinal location for balance. This constrains the weapon-bay volume and shape, and effectively subdivides the bays into four zones - two AAM bays and two heavy store sections. As Amy Butler reports in Aviation Week this week, too, the weapon bays, wrapped around the engine, get hot and noisy.

If you ever wondered what a JSF might look without those constraints, we now have a live, physical example. Unfortunately......

http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/J31-1.jpg

.....it's Chinese.

One of the photos of the new Shenyang stealth fighter, apparently designated J-31, that appeared on Chinese defense websites over the weekend is such a colossal gimme that it has to have been deliberate. Direct head-on shot? Check. Commercially available aircraft tug? Check. Extreme telephoto, so that perspective effects are lost in the noise? Check.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/J31-2.jpg

Sheesh, guys, can't you make it a challenge?

The J-31's wingspan is an F-35-like 37.5 feet, unless my Soviet-watching skills have deserted me. This makes it smaller than the F-22 and considerably smaller than the Chengdu J-20. A good early guess is that the engines are Klimov RD-93s - imported in large numbers for the JF-17 - with a Chinese-built engine to follow. Turning to the side view of the jet, it looks as if the engines are installed to the rear of the bulkhead that carries the main landing gears. And with no lift fan bay to worry about, the designers have been able to install long weapon bays on the centerline: what will be interesting is how the inlet ducts are routed to optimize internal space.

Overall, the most important point is that the J-31 does not look like a competitor for the J-20 - but as a complement to it. Which, again, might point to the new fighter being a JSF to the J-20's F-22. And if you wonder about the detail similarities of the shape to the F-22 and F-35, remember this quote from 2010:

In the past year (2009) alone, Lockheed Martin found “six to eight companies” among its subcontractors “had been totally compromised – emails, their networks, everything” according to Lockheed Martin chief information security officer Anne Mullins.

dat581
17th Sep 2012, 10:51
It looks like a cheap knock off, just like buying a Rolex on Kuta Beach in Bali.

glojo
17th Sep 2012, 11:09
I was reading that self same link earlier today and it certainly made me smile..

GreenKnight121
17th Sep 2012, 11:23
It wouldn't be a Bill Sweetman article without him slamming the F-35.

Which means I doubt all points of his so-called "analysis"... as well as his sanity.

hulahoop7
17th Sep 2012, 14:50
The landing gear looks chunky.... New aircraft for a new aircraft carrier?

keesje
18th Sep 2012, 09:56
This looks like a compact F22/JSF, optimized for air to air. No doubt thrust vectoring will follow.

The larger J-20 is able to carrry a lot of fuel and war load internally. Probably to "project power" or however the cold war folks used to name it. I would not be suprized to see a two men cockpit for the J20 later on and suitable long rang air to ground (ship) missiles.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2818/j20f22comp.jpg

Now up for a new tanker fleet, based on the H6-K, Midas or .. another suprize.

There also rumours / pictures there's a third aircraft under development, folks say it has different dimensions then this Shenyang aircraft.

China's New Carrier-based Stealth Fighter Spotted on road Transport - YouTube

Fareastdriver
18th Sep 2012, 10:11
That's one way of keeping it secret and under wraps. Block off a motorway so that you have a big crowd watching it pass on the other carriageway.

ORAC
18th Sep 2012, 10:20
Not Sweetman doing the real knocking, that was the general. As reported in Defense News as well....

Nominated F-35 Program Head Raps Relations With Lockheed (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120917/DEFREG02/309170015/Nominated-F-35-Program-Head-Raps-Relations-Lockheed?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)

Baron 58P
18th Sep 2012, 14:20
There is quite a lot on RT about the new Chinese fighters. Here is a link that describes the J-31 and compares it to the J-20...

Two models of Chinese 5th-Gen fighter in works (PHOTOS) — RT (http://rt.com/news/china-five-generation-lightweight-fighter-378/)

Just This Once...
18th Sep 2012, 14:37
For our sake I hope it bucks the 'looks right, is right' prediction as it looks pretty 'right' to me.

http://rt.com/files/news/china-five-generation-lightweight-fighter-378/suspected-photo-sac-60-281.jpg

keesje
31st Oct 2012, 12:29
apparently it flew

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=48308

PICTURES: New Chinese fighter conducts maiden flight (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-new-chinese-fighter-conducts-maiden-flight-378353/)

During the flight the J-31 was accompanied by a pair of Shenyang J-11 fighters. It seems to have conducted the ten minute flight with its landing gear in the lowered position.

Prior to its flight, it conducted a high speed taxi run and became briefly airborne.

orionsbelt
31st Oct 2012, 17:48
Just wait until this lot get there hands on one of those machines.
China's first group of female fighter pilots - YouTube
It will add a new meaning the term: -
‘’Getting waxed by some Chinese pu..y’’


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