A bit different to the awards back home. Like tuppence v a king's ransom.

BBC News - Patent trial: Jury awards Apple $1bn in damages from Samsung (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19377261)

I see a Korean judge fined both of them nominal amounts for so called patent infringements. A claim he threw out was that one of them had rounded off the corners of its notepad, "just like ours"!

Pathetic.

When you have a court case with jurors in the middle of AppleFanboiLand, there was only ever going to be one result.

Expect more lawsuits elsewhere in the US and across the world, as well as Samsung jacking up the price Apple pays for the Samsung parts and technology used in an iPhone.

I sometimes wonder in such cases of these massive corporate settlements, do these huge sums of money really change hands or is it all a bit of show?

Not sure if the actual money changes hands every time, I think sometimes it's in instalments and I think it can even be handed over in shares to part of the value.

But since we know this will be heading back to the courts, there is a high chance that no money or anything will change hands at all.

I think it can even be handed over in shares to part of the value.
Which means that the two companies end up in a sense working in each others' interest rather than as competitors.

Which they have been anyway as Samsung supplies so many parts and tech used by Apple!

This is not about "Apple v Samsung", this is all about Apple using every means possible to destroy the Android operating system so, they hope, only iOS will be out there and everyone will buy their overpriced and unreliable products. Nothing more.

I see a Korean judge fined both of them nominal amounts for so called patent infringements. A claim he threw out was that one of them had rounded off the corners of its notepad, "just like ours"!

But the US court has upheld that claim from Apple. Apparently it was their original idea that a rectangular screen should be fitted into a rectangular case!

Don't forget the American Legal System also found OJ Simpson innocent. :ugh:

Lawyers have to get money somehow.

Doctors and lawyers are said to 'practise'. Doctors bury their mistakes, while lawyers get other people to pay for theirs.

Yes hellbrink, you are quite right. Anything to destroy Android (and perhaps also google).

Anyone have an analysis of exactly what Samsung components are sold to Apple to complete their, how did you put it, "overpriced and unreliable products" ?

OFSO (Satisfied android user)

We'll start off with the A4 processor and chipset (designed by Apple, made by Samsung), ram and flash memory chips

After looking at things a bit more, methinks that there could be a simple way for Samsung to appeal and win that appeal.

The jury took only 2 and a half days to "consider" a verdict on 700 "questions". That means, even if they spent all that time deliberating with no breaks of any kind, no sleep, etc, they spent a whole 5 minutes on each point. Add in breaks, sleep, etc, and the matter of the "wrap time" for the day being at 1630 (extended by one hour for one day on request of the jury) you see how the 21 hours that were spent deliberating equalled less than 2 minutes per "question". Now, in a case as complicated as this, that amount of time is not "proper deliberation".

Since it's even reported that they had decided Samsung were guilty on the FIRST day of deliberations, there can be an easy call for "bias" from the jury as how do you properly consider all 700 points in a matter of hours? You don't, unless you have been sympathetic to Apple all the time and decided before the case ended that Samsung were "guilty" and just ticked a few boxes to make it look like you did pay attention.


So this saga will go on and on

I just don't know how they are going to monitor /enforce the different rulings.

About one month ago Samsung won in British courts and then, ten days later, lost in a German court. I believe the same patents/designs were being considered.

Whether some designs ( of either brand ) are now banned in either country, I have no idea.

Any idea how quickly the appeal is likely to be heard in the US courts ?

They are talking about only a few weeks, so it should be known before the end of next month.

Apple CEO Tim Cook said: "We chose legal action very reluctantly and only after repeatedly asking Samsung to stop copying our work. For us this has always been about something much more important than patents or money. It's about values.

In The Guardian. Maybe he believes these words, but , as another thread a while back showed, Apple is a brand that deeply divides people and there are a lot who will believe that it is ALL about money and power and the ability to more effectively screw more consumers more often and more thoroughly.

The alleged words of St. Jobs, when he stated that his intent was to destroy the Android operating system and therefore the competition, shows that these words from Tim Cook are just malebovinefaeces

Apple's legal fight was started by its late founder, Steve Jobs. Before his death from cancer in October last year, Jobs said: "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40bn in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

From the same article. What is this about Android being stolen or is it just some of the same megalomaniac wisdom that says Apple invented everything ( like the Russians used to do )

And since Google have outstanding lawsuits against Apple over patents owned by Motorola Mobility, a company now owned by Google, and these complaints are being taken to the US ITC, I think Apple may be heading for some problems in their attempt to "destroy" the Android OS.

I'm actually surprised Symbian didn't have a pop at Apple as well, as I had touch screen phones using the Symbian OS LONG before the Apple invented the JesusPhone.

None of my Apple products have ever been unreliable. Just saying :ok:

You're lucky, everyone I know here with an iPhone, no matter which model, have all had to return them to Apple for repair that was not caused by the user doing things like jailbreaking it or dropping it.

And we've all seen the "issues" surrounding iPhones when they are released, I expect the same problems will dog the iPhone 5 (as well as people being a tad upset that the super expensive "docks" they bought will be rendered useless thanks to the redesign of the phone).

Maybe I'm just lucky but I've had Macs for years and every iPhone since launch except the 4S, as I'm waiting for the 5 and I've never had to return anything for replacement.

From the 128K 1984 Mac to my present Mac Pro and iMac and many iterations in between they have performed as it says on the tin. Only had a Cinema Display returned [no questions asked] and replaced in two days.

hellsbrink do you have a hatred of any Apple product? I gather you regard Apple products as useless? That must be why they are so successful. :)

I don't have a "hatred" for them, as such, but I do have the right not to be sucked into the myth of them somehow being "superior" to anything else because they have a fancy design and a price tag to match. The "Cult of Apple" is something I refuse to be sucked into.


Oh, and I never said they were "useless". "Unreliable" and "overpriced" when it comes to the iPhone, yes, but not "useless".

Apple products are well designed (British designer by the way - Jonathan Ive) and what they do they do well. However they don't do many things and are very expensive compared to Android handhelds or Microsoft based computers.

As a matter of principle they are not compatible with Microsoft based computers, so no USB connection. How do you easily transfer photos to an iPad without emailing attachments or using an expensive proprietary connector?

This is all just a great source of income for the lawyers. U.S. lawyers. They apply U.S. law and arrogantly state the rest of the world must comply.

As a matter of principle they are not compatible with Microsoft based computers, so no USB connection. How do you easily transfer photos to an iPad without emailing attachments or using an expensive proprietary connector?

Err, iPhones can connect to a PC via USB using iTunes, so can an iPad, so can an iPod Touch..........

Err, iPhones can connect to a PC via USB using iTunes, so can an iPad, so can an iPod Touch..........

'Using iTunes'. Is that not proprietary Apple? How do you connect to a USB socket on a computer? By a proprietary Apple cable? At vast expense. I remember Steve Jobs showing it to an adoring crowd of Apple fanboys / girls as if it was a wonder piece of kit.

'Using iTunes'. Is that not proprietary Apple? How do you connect to a USB socket on a computer? By a proprietary Apple cable? At vast expense. I remember Steve Jobs showing it to an adoring crowd of Apple fanboys / girls as if it was a wonder piece of kit.

iTunes is a program designed to work on different operating systems, so if you go along that line then Windows is deliberately designed to not work with Apple products or anything else as you must use "proprietary" drivers and software to make things work. Sorry, that "argument" don't hold water.

Proprietary Apple cable? At vast expense? Bolleaux, there are more third party cables, etc, out there at a far lower cost than the Apple branded stuff than you can shake a stick at, same as you do not have to use Samsung branded cables for Samsung gadgets, or Nokia branded stuff for Nokia, etc, etc. Again, argument does not hold water.



PS. You never mentioned anything about using software to make an iPhone "talk" to a PC, you stated that

As a matter of principle they are not compatible with Microsoft based computers, so no USB connection

You were wrong, stop trying to dig yourself out of that hole.

The winner is Microsoft with its imminent Windows phone 8 release. Won't do Nokia any harm either. They could do with a break.

so can an iPod Touch..........

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the version they were going to release for youngsters. I heard they had an issue with branding.

iTouchKids, or something like that.

VFD is thinking long term that Apple has painted itself into a corner.
The court ruling will force Apple to operate and develop out of its corner while rest of the device companies will have the rest of the operating system and design universe to operate out of, just my thought.

VFD