KC-10 and C-17 air-to-air footage. Magnificent!

[Stratofreighter]

Amazing USAF KC-10 Air to Air Video - YouTube

And please do turn up the music... :ok:

After the "British Heavy One" at http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/493250-video-vulcan-xh558-flying-around-beachy-head-last-weekend.html
now one (or two) "American Heavies".
Want to see more of these clips (C-5, C-130, KC-135, C-17, etc.)?

Google for Douglas Lay / "2nd Combat Camera Squadron".

Not much chance now of doing something similar in the UK with a VC-10 and/or a TriStar I guess? :ugh:

[PLE Always]

Just stunning!

Sums up what it is to be an aviator!

[JEM60]

To be honest, I found it rather boring. It was just film of a C.17 inflight refuelling off a KC10. Not sure about it being magnificent or stunning. I found it rather ordinary, in fact. Perhaps I'm becoming a boring old f..t!.

[BEagle]

I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that, JEM60. About the video, that is...

Some of the framing was pretty weak and the whole thing lacked much direction.

But perhaps it's just those of us who have seen plenty of air-to-air refuelling who are rather blasé and see it as less than 'magnificent'? To the average person it might well seem spectacular.

[FlightlessParrot]

Well, I'm an average person, and to me it looks like good CGI. But definitely, CGI. At first I wondered if the separation of the aeroplane from the background in the opening sequence was just the result of pronounced sharpening artefacts, but no, it's like that all the way through. Not to mention the implausibility of the camera movements.

[Basil]

FP,
Yes, I thought it was VERY good CG.

[chickenlover]

I would bet money on it NOT being CGI-google the mans work if you are bothered-the internet is littered with his/their stuff. Just a good HD cam and some quality shooting/editing IMHO. For some of us who routinely stare into another sunrise heading back across the oggin, a pleasant reminder of why we got into this game.....

[Trim Stab]

I would bet money on it NOT being CGI


So just how did he do some of those panning shots, overtaking the KC-10 at some 100knots faster, cutting across its nose, and all with no obstructions from parts of the chase aircraft?

I bet it wasn't done leaning out of an F-16, even with a "good HD-Cam"...

[Lord Spandex Masher]

32-37 seconds, top right corner.

[con-pilot]

There is no CGI in that video. :rolleyes:

[mike-wsm]

The trouble with YouTube nowadays is the vast number of sims. You are looking for something interesting and you get part way in before realising. Not restricted to aircraft, classic locomotives are suffering too.

[Saintsman]

I found the end more interesting. Just looking at the number of aircraft on the pans as it came into land.

Sad how many we have left in the UK :(

[Rigga]

Same here - almost bored at the end and managed to count 10 DC-10's on the ground.

[BBK]

I'm not sure I'd go as far as spectacular but I thought it did bring a sense of beauty to aviating in a pure sense. The point about it, for me, is that you don't get that view when you are piloting yourself as your view is so restricted. The only time I have had that sort of view is seeing other aircraft on the Atlantic tracks. Naturally if one was experienced in AAR (Beags;)) then I understand why it would seem passé.

Ernest Gann described something similar in "Fate is the Hunter" when he described a Captain looking at a sunset as someone might regard a favourite oil painting.

BBK

[ion_berkley]

I would bet money on it NOT being CGI
So just how did he do some of those panning shots, overtaking the KC-10 at some 100knots faster, cutting across its nose, and all with no obstructions from parts of the chase aircraft?

I bet it wasn't done leaning out of an F-16, even with a "good HD-Cam"...

Using something like this:
Vector Vision VectorVision by Netttmann Systems (http://www.camerasystems.com/vectorvision.htm)

Incidentally that was filmed at Travis AFB, East of San Francisco.

[FlightlessParrot]

Yep, looks like struts in top r.h. corner at 32"-37". The backgrounds, I'm sure, are bona fide aerial shots. But the lighting of the aircraft is just a little too beautiful, as well as the camera moves being somewhat infeasible. Note also that there is no sign of jet exhaust, which would surely have interfered with the view of the background on some shots. OTOH, one early shot of the tanker take off does include strobe lights. It is, as I said, very well done.

[nomorecatering]

Looks like Clay Laceys work to me.


Just looked at the video once more with regards to comments as its CGI. There is simply no way that is CG. Even George Lucas with Industrial Light and Sound could not produce that detail.

[FlightlessParrot]

You know what, I had a look at a Clay Lacy clip of three 737s in formation, and there's not much jet efflux visible in that either. And although the crossing in front shot is lower and closer in this vid than in the Boeing one, it does have the slight quirkiness of lighting that looks like reality. The matte finish of the paint on the military aircraft also makes a big difference. So yes, I guess it is the real thing, and I was wrong. Very clean aircraft. Very impressive video.

[Brian Abraham]

It's typical of Laceys work. Does a lot for the movies, aviation industry (manufacturers, airlines etc) and military. Uses a Learjet fitted with Astrovision periscopic camera lenses on the bottom of the aircraft. A similar lens is located on the top of the aircraft, and a third lens is mounted in the nose. Formats available include 35mm, 65mm, IWERKS, 70mm and IMAX.

http://www.inyokernairport.com/att_filming_article/airport_061219-090ss.jpg

See Clay Lacy Aviation | Astrovision | What is Astrovision? (http://www.claylacy.com/what-is-astrovision.html)

[ICM]

My main delight was in seeing some live footage from Travis, taking me back exactly 40 years to my time out there. For Saintsman: the 60th Wing had some 50 C-141A aircraft at the time, plus C-5s building up to equip two squadrons, with a SAC KC-135 lodger unit into the bargain. A lot of concrete.

I was surprised by the final approach as it became increasingly clear that the landing was to be on 21R, never used for landings back then - but I see on Wikipedia that 21L has been dug-up to provide a C-17 Assault Landing Zone and will then be reinstated. And it looked as if the massed rows of WWII Liberty Ships, a lovely radar target, are no longer in the Carquinez Straits area - hardly surprising as I imagine they must have been pretty rusty by 1972.

Happy Days!

[6foottanker]

Being based at Travis on the mighty '10, I'll fill you all in: Learjet it was, filmed earlier this year. It was the first cloudy day we had had in a month, which ruined many of the planned shots. Also, someone notes the number of KC-10s on the ramp. Well the KC-10 aircraft they filmed was flown all the way across the country from McGuire to be in the sequence. We couldn't support the tasking at the base underneath the event! Someone's budget has way too much spare cash! :O

[Gemini Twin]

You are right ICM the mothball fleet has dimished greatly but you can still see what's left at .34.

[Courtney Mil]

The mating of whales.

[SOSL]

Well I loved it and you are all conical bustards.

Rgds SOS

[BEagle]

Presumably the 'Travis personnel strengthen allied ties' item in the August 2012 ARSAG newsletter is about you, 6foottanker?

Can the Spams really not understand 'Flight Looootenant' and have to call you 'Captain'?

Are you enjoying flying the 'Extender' more than the 'Javelin' (sic)?

[SOSL]

Come on Beags, please use plain English on the forum and keep your special language for p.m's.

Rgds SOS