Canadian Coast Guard Helicopter Replacement

[Dagw00d]

Coast Guard helicopter project kicks off | The Chronicle Herald (http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/128386-coast-guard-helicopter-project-kicks-off)


That is all.

Here we go again.

[chopper2004]

I read somewhere that Eurocopter Canada were offering the EC135 as replacement for the CCG BO105 fleet.

However others in the mix

Canada May Be Ready to Replace Coast Guard Fleet | Vertical - Helicopter News (http://verticalmag.com/news/articles/20988-canada-may-be-ready-to-replace-coast-guard-fleet.html)

Also came across this

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Committee/411/FINA/WebDoc/WD5138047/411_FINA_PBC2011_Briefs%5CEADS%20Canada%20Inc.%20E.pdf

[chopper_doctor]

All I can say is dont hold your breath.

[Mikila1A]

They have been trying to replace them last 10 - 12 years.

There is little will to do it and less money.

[chopper2004]

CCG Helicopter Project - Canadian Coast Guard - Possible Candidates - CASR Background - Canadian American Strategic Review - Helicopter Modernization - Light-Lift Helicopter - Medium-Lift Helicopter - Shipboard Helicopter - Helicopter Modernization - (http://www.casr.ca/bg-ccg-helicopter-project-candidates.htm)

Cheers

[Thomas coupling]

God help Canada if their government run this shambles as well as they have with previous incarnations: EH101 / F35 / Cormorant CH149 / Cyclone CH148

They will probably demand that it is a new Eurobell S968 fly by light, coaxial, long ranger with haul down cabability. 15yr gestation period with penalties for 10yr overdue dates. And the good news is that it will only cost the tax payer: $100 trillion each.

[The Sultan]

TC

It would be a good bet that Bell 429/412 deliveries five years from now would be completed before the Cyclones if those continue their current pace.

The Sultan

[chopper2004]

Ring My Bell: New Helicopters for Canada?s Coast Guard (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ring-my-bell-new-helicopters-for-canadas-coast-guard-014679/)

Scroll down to Contracts and Key Events, and it mentions the intent to buy the Bell 429

Cheers

[widgeon]

I started at MBB Canada about half way through the first program , I recall the last program they could have bid on ( 412 ) was also given to bell without any competition. I guess the airbus scandal is still colouring some of the procurement decisions.

[Dagw00d]

Bell Offered the 429.

MBB tried to fit what they thought CCG needed with the EC135. If they had gotten certification for the EC145T2 then it would have been a totally different ball game.

CCG does not have any 412's

We'll see what the next round delivers.

I think there will be many problems as always with a new type and hopefully nothing disastrous. I can see many weak areas with the 429 for this type of operation, but as long as the Pilots are happy with their new office, well......

[jallen59]

For once the Canadian Government held OEM's feet to the fire and required proven performance criteria in their replacement of an aging fleet of BO's. The only OEM who could actually deliver was Bell Helicopter - A Canadian Company. End result... Eurocopter Sues and the Canadian Taxpayers are screwed again. Cry babies.:{

[Encyclo]

Me thinks Eurocopter should take money away from their legal department and give it to the customer support side :ugh:

That way they might gain a little credibility in this industry :D

[ChopperFAN]

Anyone know how the Royal Australian navy Bell 429s have been going? I know they replaced the A109e in training roles but any feedback? Ive not seen any around here yet?

[USL-Toad]

My money is on the 429.

[chopper2004]

Ummm, looks like its being delayed because Airbus Helicopters is contesting

Canadian Coast Guard plan for new helicopters likely facing delays (http://www.canada.com/Canadian+Coast+Guard+plan+helicopters+likely+facing+delays/9431896/story.html)

[chopper2004]

Two OEMs drop out of Canadian Coast Guard running | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry (http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/27386#.U1VSsCe9KSM)

Cheers

[tottigol]

It's OK, give them the Bells, if they manage this program the same way as every other helicopter program in the last 20 years they'll be due for a replacement even before they enter service.:yuk:

[meanttobe]

http://mobile.verticalmag.com/?origref=#!/article/53626b4fec0691ebb3001e66-sikorsky-drops-out-of-canadian-coast-guard-race-leaving-bell-as-sole-bidder

[noooby]

So they have two choices.

Change the ship heli-decks, while they are still in the design stage, so that they can take heavier machines......

Or, take 412's from Bell and always leave 900 pounds of people and/or fuel behind.

Mind you, why would you ever want lots of fuel in a ship based helicopter????

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

I'm thinking, giving the Canadian Govt's track record, that 412's are probably going to be coming. And then not, and then coming again, and then not, and then maybe, but should we run the competition again just to be sure?? :sad:

[meanttobe]

Bell awarded CCG helicopter replacement contract.

Government Of Canada Awards Contract For New Coast Guard Helicopters - Canada News Centre (http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=847219)

Meanwhile.

Airbus Helicopters Canada Statement on the Canadian Coast Guard Light-lift Helicopter contract award - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/bb/newsarchive/aGEs8k07kDmQ.html)

This could drag on.

[Stinger10]

You get what you pay for........:ok:

[Ian Corrigible]

Reminiscent of India's approach to competitive selection. If Canada wants the 429 and 412, so be it (after all Canada has a significant financial stake in the former, and the latter has been a superb job creator for the nation over the years), but why lead three (?) other OEMs to jump through hoops just for the appearance of a competition?

I/C

[chopper2004]

http://bellhelicopter.com/en_US/News/PressReleases/NewsRelease/NewsRelease.html?ReleaseID=4dc00acd-8915-42cd-bdf4-20ce39872546

Cheers

[tottigol]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!:ugh:

[[email protected]]

“The CCG operates in some of the harshest flying conditions on the planet, so the performance capabilities of the aircraft are exactly what they need to support their operations.” I've had a trawl through the Bell specs and can't find any reference anywhere to engine or rotor anti-icing - you know, the sort of thing that would allow the IFR capabilities to actually be used in the 'harshest flying conditions on the planet'.

Sounds perfect for the Canadian summer though:ugh:

[PANews]

There is mention of optional rotor de-icing for the EPi but these [boring tekkie] things tend to get left out of the run of the mill press releases.

[Encyclo]

Glad to see the guys at the CCG finally got what they wanted, now that all the political BS is over.

The main use for these aircraft is for utility work and going with de-icing would just be a waste of payload and money (and did I mention reliability/availability).

Congrats to one of the most professional helicopter operation in the world :ok:

PS: don't have an MBA, but is it customary to sue your potential customer when you are not awarded a contract :ugh:

Fly Safe, Always :cool:

[[email protected]]

The main use for these aircraft is for utility work so why have all the IFR bells and whistles in the first place?

[albatross]

Perhaps because IFR happens.
Contrary to popular belief not all IFR in Canada is in icing conditions.
The 212 was operated in the North Sea for years how did you folks do it?
Canadian Coast guard do most of their flying in the summer months.
Inadvertant IFR is a problem but icing is less probable.
Cost/benefit I guess.

[HeliHenri]

For support missions as described in the release, that's not a bad choice.