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radeng
21st Aug 2012, 08:50
From a Telegraph article about fuel emergencies:

"There are two classifications of emergency landing. A “PAN” – standing for Procedure for Air Navigation Service – is a request for priority over other aircraft."

Tosh! 'PAN' was the maritime radiotelephony safety signal in the days when aircraft didn't have radiotelephony!

I did know the French word from which it is derived, but have forgotten it.



UniFoxOs
21st Aug 2012, 08:54
The French word panne nominally refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of any kind.

From Wiki, sounds about right?

UFO

ORAC
21st Aug 2012, 09:06
"'SOS,' 'CQD' and the History of Maritime Distress Calls" (http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/arc2-2.html)

AlpineSkier
21st Aug 2012, 09:17
Ah, so as well as Mayday ( M'aidez - help me ) the French have another emergency word.

Sallyann1234
21st Aug 2012, 09:22
And the other emergency word - rendirse!

radeng
21st Aug 2012, 09:25
The real emergency word in French is "Merde!"

Fox3WheresMyBanana
21st Aug 2012, 09:33
...and the response is always ... surrender!

"Encore du vin, meine Herren?"

Tankertrashnav
21st Aug 2012, 09:33
From Wiki, sounds about right?




In this case Wiki is right! Loads of words in aviation have a French origin.

Mind you, as George Dubya once said, the French have no word for entrepreneur.

ORAC
21st Aug 2012, 09:47
I can't speak French, but they've got a certain I don't know what.......

AlpineSkier
21st Aug 2012, 10:15
And the other emergency word - rendirse!

Spanish maybe, but not French.

Ballywalter Flyer
21st Aug 2012, 10:31
What about the Frightfully British way of declaring an emergency

"I say old chap. We appear to be in a spot of bother. One's motor has given up the ghost, and there is a hole in the wing big enough to fit one's manservant through. At this rate, we are going to end up in the briney old bean"

SOPS
21st Aug 2012, 10:36
Which neatly links us to the "difference between UK and Americian pilots" thread.:E

angels
21st Aug 2012, 10:41
ORAC - what a great site your fascinating link is from.

Sadly I see it has not been updated since 2004 and I fear the author may have sent his last CQD.....:(

pigboat
21st Aug 2012, 12:17
The real emergency word in French is "Merde!"
Prefer "Phoque!" myself.

BOAC
21st Aug 2012, 13:43
I did know the French word from which it is derived, but have forgotten it. - 'tis PANNE which is 'breakdown' (not mental). The third (lowest) emergency call being 'SECURITE' which is broadly speaking 'safety'.

RAC/OPS
22nd Aug 2012, 15:51
The real emergency word in French is "Merde!"

I thought it was "Courons!"

radeng
22nd Aug 2012, 17:00
In the maritime world (or it was when I got my marine licence) PAN is 'urgency' and 'securite'(SAY-CURE-IT-AY) is used for navigational warnings and the like. As in (on 2182 kHz, immediately after the silence period) 'Securite, securite, all ships, all ships, Scheveningen Radio, Scheveningen Radio. Gale warning follows on 1890 kilohertz'.

Not sure where you would use 'securite' in aviation. Maybe a loose balloon?

good spark
22nd Aug 2012, 17:24
orac
many thanks for that link, just spent a couple of hours wandering round the telegraph office!

gs

Jazz Hands
22nd Aug 2012, 17:43
Telegraph clearly has PAN confused with PANS as in PANS-OPS, for which it did have the correct acronym.

radeng
22nd Aug 2012, 18:29
Maybe any journo writing on an aviation subject should be mandated, as a minimum, to have a PPL, and preferably a CPL IR.

When they get so much wrong on aviation, how much do they get wrong on other subjects?

WingSlinger
22nd Aug 2012, 21:47
Not sure where you would use 'securite' in aviation. Maybe a loose balloon?

When heading for a school not full of children.

Gertrude the Wombat
22nd Aug 2012, 22:45
Which neatly links us to the "difference between UK and Americian pilots" thread
Wouldn't say that, "Houston we've had a problem" sounds a British enough way to declare an emergency to me!

Jazz Hands
23rd Aug 2012, 08:58
Maybe any journo writing on an aviation subject should be mandated, as a minimum, to have a PPL, and preferably a CPL IR.


Just as soon as any pilot commenting on journalism has, as a minimum, a couple of years doing investigative reporting and the ability to spell.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Stop reading the rags, and start reading a specialist publication. You might learn something. :rolleyes:

radeng
23rd Aug 2012, 16:10
If the rags aren't read, they won't be sold. But not every specialist journal carries news that isn't weeks or months old.

It's not only aviation that they get wrong. Some years back, the Independent had a story about railways: it claimed that the Great Central railway would have been ideal to keep for traffic from the Channel Tunnel 'because it was built to the broad gauge by Brunel'.

Bloody good going for a chap who had been in his grave for 40 years when the GC was opened!

reynoldsno1
24th Aug 2012, 03:06
It's only going to get worse - more and more morons joining the journalistic way of life, and regurgitating the 1st hit they get on Google that seems to fit...

probes
24th Aug 2012, 06:59
When they get so much wrong on aviation, how much do they get wrong on other subjects?
plenty. At least on everything one happens to know something about.

radeng
24th Aug 2012, 07:32
Guess you are right, probes.