Titan Airways

[Jordiejet]

Mate of mine just rang and said he thinks it has.

Can't get on to their website either!

Pretty sure it can't be true!!!

[Narrow Runway]

Who is your "mate" and why would he think that they've gone bust?

My wife is on the way home from her shift for them today.

Should I ask her? She may know a bit more than your "mate". Like were they impounded on arrival.

They may have lost a contract on a big aircraft this week, but that is ACMI life.

Last I heard was they were asking for crew to volunteer for organising the 25th Birthday party lash up. And that was only last week.

I'm looking forward to the 25th birthday party in all honesty. Always a rare old night out at the Titan parties.

[Jordiejet]

Well fingers crossed he's wrong!

His Facebook status says - another one bites the dust and I will miss all my friends at Titan!!

?????
Anyone got any info??

[Narrow Runway]

Has he resigned from Titan perhaps?

You can never trust Facebook can you really???

Let us hope everything is ok.

Anyhow, Mrs NR has just come in the door and doesn't look bothered.;)

But, then again, that could just be her.

[Jordiejet]

Has Titan gone bust??

[sam dilly]

Very much doubt it.
Why say such a thing ?

[Jordiejet]

I have heard that they have today!
That's why I said such a thing!!!

It's a question????

[fa2fi]

Website not working. Is that what you're basing this on?

[ericlday]

Titan bust??? nah Piston Broke !!!!

[LH-OAB]

I doubt it very much and I saw them flying today.

[Gene Genie]

It may be that they've lost the South Atlantic MoD contract. I was talking to some of their crew in Apr and they seemed to think that was the case.

[dc9-32]

19 flights listed on CFMU for today so doubt they have gone bust somehow !

[Charley B]

G-ZAPX 757 just arrived at LGW to operate a flight for Monarch so methinks that was definately a nasty rumour-so glad..... love to see the Titan aircraft here:)

[AirLCY]

They've had 2 and sometimes 3 aircraft with BA in the last few months, that kind of ACMI will be earning them a fortune, so would be surprise if they went bust. It's more likely another contract bites the dust which is standard.

[sam dilly]

You might find if you look carefully that Titan have closed their own ski operation, and gone back to just operating ski flights on behalf of other operators, probably a very good idea, provide the seats and let professional tour operators get on with what they do, filling other people's air seats.
South Atlantic flights for the MOD will come and go. If HM government wish to give our taxes to a " cheap "foreign airline, to help protect " our " dependencies so be it, I am sure that the military type passengers on those long flights south will make their views known soon enough. Titan are probably well out of that contract for a few months, there is plenty of ACMI work out there for a quality operator with a spare 767 300ER.

[Tight Seat]

Sam, you may find that the South Atlantic is on its way to a very British airline that has been around for 40+ years ( that's the rumour in the crewroom of this ' spotty' airline).

[cornishsimon]

spotty airline ?

[Heathrow Harry]

IIRC the Air Bridge contract runs from September to September - they took over from Air Seychelles first or second week of September last year and there was only a week or so's public notice

[Heathrow Harry]

Might be Iberia ;);)

No love lost these days between the Argies and our Spanish friends!!!

[adfly]

Monarch!!!

[Johnstone Bhoy]

A Titan B.737 currently on the Tarmac at Glasgow operating a Gatwick flight for British Airways.

[james170969]

Do you know how long the Titan 737 is operating for BA to Gatwick? I'm due to fly on the 0645 flight on Sunday 2nd September. I've only flown with them once, they were operating a 757 for Easyjet from Stansted to Malaga in March 2005.

[cornishsimon]

Titan have been covering for BA at gatters for about the last 6 months, some days it's a 733 others a 757, others both.

It's all due to tech problems with the 734 fleet but hats off to BA for bringing Titan in to help

[student88]

Some tit drove into a BA 737 and it's been AOG ever since. Titan are picking up the pieces.

[cornishsimon]

Some tit drove into a BA 737 and it's been AOG ever since. Titan are picking
up the pieces.



Do you mean recently or are you meaning the one several months ago ?

If its the latter, that bird was flown to LHR and repaired and is now back in active service

[Skipness One Echo]

There was a BA B734 on the BEALine base at LHR tonight as I landed 27R. Unusual to see them on their old stomping grounds.

[spottilludrop]

Strong rumours monarch have secured the falklands contract

[Narrow Runway]

Is there a Portuguese outfit called "hi-fly" or something like that?

If so, I was told they'd got the contract.

Who knows though? Could be :mad:

[Trayliner]

The airbridge contract has gone to Hi fly from the end of september.

[Tableview]

I have just had a very pleasant flight on a Titan 757 on charter from Monarch as their own a/c was u/s. Lovely well-spoken cabin crew, very clean aircraft, seats showing signs of heavy wear though.

[irishlad06]

Yea there is a company called HIFly, the operate A310, A330 and A340's on a wet lease basis. They were charted in by Aer Lingus last week to help when 2 A330's went tech.

[IB4138]

Will a mod please change the title of this thread?

It is incorrect and pure kite flying.

[paully]

Couldnt agree more and their impressive website is up and running to boot :ok:

[tczulu]

Hi guys,I'm a LTMA controller.One day last week(can't remember which) there was an A340 operating Gatwick-US,on Titan trip number but the very nice sounding lady pilot didn't use the r/t c/s "ZAP",just the phonetic Alpha Whiskey Charlie. Possibly the Portuguese company mentioned earlier,accent sounded about right.

[Musket90]

Couple of weeks ago Hifly operated MOD flight with A340 Calgary-Brize Norton with Titan Flt No. Maybe the Portuguese don't get the batman theme with the callsign and the Titan a/c reggies.

[redED]

Titan 737 in LGW and 757 in BHX yesterday.

[Superpilot]

Anybody in the know how concerning Titan's wet leasing operation this year? 2 more A320s coming online shortly.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

You mean next year?

[Superpilot]

I guess so! :ok:

[Buster the Bear]

Titan Airways Fleet List (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/titan_airways.htm)

[Superpilot]

And again...

Anybody know the plans for the additional A320s that have now been listed on Titan Airways Fleet List (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/titan_airways.htm) ?

Are they to replace some of the existing 737/757s for the standard ACMI stuff or to be leased for a longer period to the likes of EZ or Jet2?

[JB007]

Medium/Long term leases...and no change to Boeing fleet (at the moment!)

[FDS]

Any former pilot who got news about roster, condition and reputation about Titan?

[Facelookbovvered]

Roster is an electronic piece of paper which bears no relation to what you may end up doing, the kind lady in charge of crewing once sent out what she thought was a meaningful and well intended 'clarification' document setting out rostering protocols, it included the the line that "the company will not change your rostered day(s) off with less than 24 hours notice"

other than that 30 minutes call out time from standby, excellent expenses and salary in general, CP & FM (737) are good people, if your in then your in.

Very interesting flying, but not for everyone and certainly not like any other airline in Europe

[jamesp]

Titan 320's rumoured to go to jet 2.
If all goes well, they will go to all Airbus fleet of a320's and possible long term lease of a a330.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Please be more clear with your posting.
Are we saying the A320s will be operated on behalf of Jet2?
Are we saying Titan plans to go all Airbus? :ok:

[jamesp]

Sorry......
Jet2 rumoured to be using titans a320s
Jet2 will go to all Airbus if all goes well with the a320s

[Ian Brooks]

Ahh get you!
That is going to take quite a while as Jet2 generally buy all their aircraft

Ian

[Ian Brooks]

Jamesp
I did say generally but the A330 is a different kettle of fish as it is
a short term lease over summer as is the Titan deal.
You make out that Jet2 are going to become an Airbus Airline which is a
whole different ball game as replacing 60 odd aircraft would be very expensive.

By the way I like Titans new colour scheme.

[FDS]

Thanks all. Nice people and friendly, that's true.

If there is a lot of stand by, how many hours per month expected? :ok:
Any problem to get paid?

[Narrow Runway]

I can't tell you for definite, as it'll depend which fleet you're on and how that fleet is being utilised over the summer. Also, I'm no expert, so there are others with a better idea of what the summer looks like.

If you're on a longer term leased aircraft, expect to be busy. Any standby will likely be within normal roster protocols, at the base where the aircraft is.

You could be doing 85-100 hours a month if on one of these aircraft. Less, if on standby for ad-hoc charter I imagine.

As for being paid? You'll be paid on time, every time. I have never, ever heard of anyone not being paid.

[BAladdy]

BA will lease a 757 from Titan Airways from the 18th to 25th of July. The aircraft will operate:

18th July - LGW-SKG-LGW-RHO-LGW
19th July - LGW-HER-LGW-FAO-LGW
20th July - LGW-BRI-LGW-DLM-LGW
21st July - LGW-MLA-LGW-AGP-LGW
22nd July - LGW-BCN-LGW-PFO-LGW
23rd July - LGW-HER-LGW-NAP-LGW
24th July - LGW-HER-LGW-AGP-LGW
25th July - LGW-MLA-LGW-FAO-LGW

The 202 seat 757 will operate in a 2 class configuration.

[El Bunto]

Which reminds me that they've had A320 G-POWI based at Edinburgh for Easyjet since the 21st May. How long does that one last?

[BAladdy]

Which reminds me that they've had A320 G-POWI based at Edinburgh for Easyjet since the 21st May. How long does that one last?

G-POWI has been leased to EZY until the end of September. G-ZAPX is also planned to operate from EZY from LGW from July to Late September.

LS have leased G-POWM to operate flights out of GLA until the end of September.

[El Bunto]

Thank you!

[BAladdy]

I see that one of the 737-300QC's is listed for sale with Cockley Brake Ltd. So it looks like 1 of the 737-300QC's will be leaving in October. I am guessing from the description that it will be G-POWC. Do Titan own all there Boeing aircraft or are any of them leased?

Aircraft for sale (http://www.cockleybrake.com/aircraft-for-sale.html)

The A320's seem to have been kept very busy since there arrival. It will be interesting to see what demand is like for them during the Winter.I remember reading somewhere that Titan was looking to transition from a Boeing to Airbus fleet over a 3 to 4 year period. Anyone know if we are likely to see another Airbus added to the fleet to replace the 737 for 2016?.

[Cloud1]

Monarch have been using a Titan A320 as well a lot recently

[EK77WNCL]

Anyone know the routes G-ZAPX will be on?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

G-POWI is due to transfer to FCO for Easy as it did last year, around the end of July. :ok:

[JB007]

And then to LGW!

G-ZAPX: TFS & ALC with a Sunday CFU!

[EK77WNCL]

Cheers JB007!

EDIT: I'm randomly looking for some rides on Titan aircraft next year, I've confused myself trying to piece together the above replies, would someone be kind enough to post where Titan's leased out aircraft will be during August?

Thank you!!! :)

[sam dilly]

if you want a Titan ride call Tangney Tours.
they have quite a few flights to Lourdes and do sell seats.
They have had all of the Titan aircraft types this year already:)

[Musket90]

EK77

In August A320's POWI based EDI flying for Easyjet, POWM based GLA flying for Jet2.
POWK is adhoc charter. They may change aircraft occasionally if need exists. Flight deck is Titan but cabin crew for long leases may be with respective airlines depending on lease agreement

B757's - ZAPX with Easyjet LGW for a period during mid-late July
POWH adhoc charter

Titan do additional tour operators flights, mainly at weekends eg Stansted-Dalaman Turkey on a Saturday for "Exclusive Escapes". Aircraft type will vary depending on aircraft availability and load factors.

Weekdays the B737's are normally tied to the Royal Mail night flying but are more available weekends for tour operator or ad-hoc flights.

The B767-300 seems to do everything adhoc both short and long haul depending on the requirements of the airline who need the availability.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Its FCO from the 21st July. :ok:

[Captain_Caveman]

Sorry Mr Spotty (not that it matters much) you are out by a day Just double checked and its 22nd July -13 September flying from FCO then flying from LGW 14Sep to Nov 1st.

Its FCO from the 21st July. :ok:

[BAladdy]

Titan will add to it's fleet a A319 during Spring 2016 and a A321 before Summer 2016 . Titan are also reported to be interested in acquiring an A318 to support tour operators on niche operations. According to the website aviator.aero

https://www.aviator.aero/search?utf8=✓&category_id=&region_id=2&q=titan

[wallp]

I flew of A320 POWI today LGW to HER

[ELondonPax]

The A318 is quite niche. Wonder if they intend to certify it for LCY.

[aer lingus]

Maybe to sub for BAs New York service. There was quite a few cancelled a few weeks back.

[BAladdy]

A second A321 is due to be added to Titan's Fleet in the coming months. The 5 year old aircraft is currently registered OE-ELW and is coming from the Austrian airline Niki.

Titan Airways Fleet List (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/titan_airways.htm)

Anyone know if Titan still plan to add a A319 to the fleet this year or is the A321 being added to the fleet in place of it?

[racedo]

Friend was on a Titan plane over the weekend and loved the new seats, really makes a huge difference to leg room he said.

[planedrive]

Does anyone know if there is any news of Titan wetleasing for easyJet again this summer?

[El Bunto]

Outsider rumours that 737QC G-ZAPW is leaving the fleet within the next few weeks, leaving just the 737F G-POWC for the mail service. Not sure how that would work... hand a route back to Jet2? ZAPW has been mainly used on the Edinburgh route recently with POWC to Belfast, according to FR24.


Also noticed A320 G-POWI operating for Novair over the weekend on the Scandinavian Sun-runs.

[sam dilly]

I wouldn't think that is correct.
In fact more 737's may well be joining the fleet in the near future

[canberra97]

Sam

Titan have previously announced that they intend to go to to an all Airbus fleet so I can't see them acquiring any more Boeing 737 aircraft.

[Mooncrest]

I also doubt that Jet2 would be picking up any additional mail flights. Two of their QC 737s, 'LA and 'LR, are both now pure pax aircraft.

[BAladdy]

Apart from the leases below, Does anyone know if Titan are leasing any other aircraft for the S16 season

1 x A320 (G-POW*)- Leased to Norwegian International (01JUN16-31AUG16)
1 x A320 (G-POWI)- Leased to Novair (MAR16-JUN17)
1 x A321 (G-POWN) - Leased to Jet2 (Summer16)
1 x 757 (G-POWH) - Leased to Jet2 (MAR16-0CT16)

[BAladdy]

According to Jethos Fleet Listings, Titan are planning to add a A319 and A330 to there fleet in Spring 2017. Anyone know where these aircraft are coming from?

[JB007]

In fact more 737's may well be joining the fleet in the near future

And 1, possibly 2 B737-400 Freighters! Ex BA G-DOC...
First due Oct/Nov

[Tranceaddict]

According to Jethos Fleet Listings, Titan are planning to add a A319 and A330 to there fleet in Spring 2017. Anyone know where these aircraft are coming from?

UK's Titan Airways to add Airbus widebodies in 1Q2017 - ch-aviation.com (http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/48505-uks-titan-airways-to-add-airbus-widebodies-in-1q2017)

[BAladdy]

The first 734 freighter looks to be G-DOCY which was retired from the BA fleet back in January last year.

[Reveal1]

any update about the 737 fleet, route and ACMI contract?

[Reveal1]

Any Info guys about the upcoming summer season contracts, routes for the 737??

[cornishsimon]

Where is the 734F planned to be operated?


cs

[Reveal1]

Is that true so far, 2 733 QC and 1 734F?( speaking about the 737)
And What about the night mail operation ?
IS the roster of the 737 more stable in any way?..something running on regular basis?
and how many hours per month minimum during summer season?

[Buster the Bear]

I understand that Jettime have handed a -400F back which is currently in store at Lasham.

[Reveal1]

Any more info /update Buster about the others 733 operations?

[Musket90]

Titan's web site states the B737 will do a summer Sunday service to Zadar, Croatia on behalf of Neilson

[commit aviation]

Regarding Royal Mail: West Atlantic now holds the contract but I believe they are retaining the services of Titan until at least August.

[BFS BHD]

Jethro's has the B734-436F down as being G-POWP. ex-N844AU

[Buster the Bear]

G-POWP was indeed once G-DOCY of BA.

[BAladdy]

Any update on whether Titan are going to add more Airbus aircraft to the fleet before the summer?. I believe a A319, A321 and A330 have all been rumoured to be joining the fleet but cant find any further info.

[El Bunto]

No A330 on their AOC yet.

[DaveReidUK]

G-POWP was indeed once G-DOCY of BA.

The same lessor has a second, newly-converted, ex-BA -436(F), presumably also intended for Titan.

[Honiley]

I don't think an A330 will be arriving this year, a pro-Boeing ethos seems to be returning instead of a full 100% Airbus fleet.

Latest rumour is a Letter of Intent to purchase an ex-BA A318, LCY cleared, 30 odd seater type...

[El Bunto]

737-400 G-POWP passing Preston inbound to Stansted on delivery https://fr24.com/2017-02-26/14:00/12x/GPOWP/c934435

[BAladdy]

Latest rumour is a Letter of Intent to purchase an ex-BA A318, LCY cleared, 30 odd seater type...
I had heard rumours that IAG were intending selling one of the A318's over the next couple of months. It will be interesting to see what they do when it comes to the Cabin layout. Titan may find it very challenging to find companies wanting to lease the A318 if it was to remain in the 32J BA configuration.

Personally I think Titan would likely refit the aircraft with a with anywhere between a 128Y or 132Y high density all economy layout similar to what they have done with the A320's and the A321 they have added over last couple of years. This would make it far easier to lease to other airlines. Does anyone know if the aircraft would still be cleared for LCY ops if a high density cabin was fitted?.

A 128Y+ configuration would mean the A318 would be able to carry the same number of pax as Titan's ageing 130Y config 737-300's. Could the aircraft be lined up to replace one of them?.

[dc9-32]

Or they could leave the interior in place and use it when (if) BA need a sub on the JFK run. Plus corporate charters will find a need for it no doubt.

[DaveReidUK]

Personally I think Titan would likely refit the aircraft with a with anywhere between a 128Y or 132Y high density all economy layout similar to what they have done with the A320's and the A321 they have added over last couple of years. This would make it far easier to lease to other airlines. Does anyone know if the aircraft would still be cleared for LCY ops if a high density cabin was fitted?

That sounds more likely than leaving the aircraft as is and severely restricting the market.

Whether it would be usable at LCY remains to be seen - clearly it could carry more than BA's 32 pax out of there at the expense of fuel while still remaining within the current TOW limit. Landing there with 100+ pax might be a different story.

But then there's no reason why they would necessarily care about serving LCY.

[El Bunto]

G-POWP turned-up on the Belfast mail run last night.

[rog747]

not sure if there is a problem with putting in high capacity seating in any ex BA A318's as they were not built with any overwing exits IIRC

there are 4 main doors (2 fwd 2 aft but no over wing windows)

an A318 fitted with the overwing exits can max at 132Y (very cramped)

an A319 can max at 144Y with 2 over wing exits and 156Y with 4

[bjones4]

The overwing exits are there, they're just deactivated with different panels covering them in the cabin. If you find a photograph of the exterior in the right light you can see the outline of the door is there simply without a painted frame.

It's a fairly easy to reactivate the exits should it be necessary.

[DaveReidUK]

Immediately aft of the "B" or "S" of "BRITISH AIRWAYS" (depending on which side you're looking at).

[rog747]

thank you for that

yes i see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Airbus_A318-112_CJ_Elite_British_Airways_G-EUNA_(8518751823).jpg

[BAladdy]

I notice that G-POWC operated from STN to FAB on 3rd March and hasn't operated since. Does anyone know if it is undergoing engineering or being stored at Farnbourgh?

[ifonly]

Just because that's what FR24 says doesn't mean it actually happened.
G-POWC is at Lasham for maintenance.

[El Bunto]

But it was perfect for prompting you to let us know the facts, otherwise would you have commented? Or just have left us to wallow in ignorance :)

Meanwhile G-POWP has been assigned to the Belfast mail route, which is now operated solely by 737-400s and with the upgauge in capacity West Air's supplemental ATPs have accordingly been withdrawn from the route.

[BAladdy]

Titan are to acquire BA's A318 G-EUNB, According to Jethros fleet listing. The aircraft which has been stored at LHR since 1st April positioned from Heathrow to Cambridge on the 28th.

[EK77WNCL]

Titan do a lot of work for BA, I wonder if there's any potential of them leasing the A318 to them during the summer to operate twice daily JFK and then taking it under their wing for the winter for charter work?

Or is that too complicated/expensive. I can't see LCY-JFK services lasting very long with 1 aircraft, the economics must be through the floor on that

[mmeteesside]

Surely BA wouldn't have stopped operating the 2nd JFK if it was making money? Why bother re-instating it to utilise Titan's A318 if they're going to charge a lease cost to make it even more expensive to operate. Unless you mean Titan would operate it commercially, which would be even more unlikely. I dare say Titan will be targetting the 146-sized ad-hoc charter market that Jota are increasingly picking up in.

[BCALBOY]

LCY-JFK is a business route so demand doesn't peak in the summer,

If I remember correctly , even when the service operated twice daily , BA reduced frequency from late July to early Sep , to a daily operation

[Una Due Tfc]

Whether it would be usable at LCY remains to be seen - clearly it could carry more than BA's 32 pax out of there at the expense of fuel while still remaining within the current TOW limit. Landing there with 100+ pax might be a different story.

They were only operating it to SNN, roughly an hour? Not too many routes with less fuel than that I would think. Yes there are LCY destinations closer, but with greater holding, taxiing etc at the far end.

[DaveReidUK]

Good point.

So apart from not being able to either take off or land with a decent payload, they should be OK. :O

[Honiley]

I dare say Titan will be targetting the 146-sized ad-hoc charter market that Jota are increasingly picking up in.

The aircraft will be staying in a VIP config.

[Wycombe]

Footballers and F1 Teams will like it like that no doubt.

[jijpc]

By keeping it in business configuration it would be available for charter to BA to cover when G-EUNA is undergoing maintenance or has tech issues.

I have flown on the morning LCY-JFK service and it was almost full on the day that I used it. I understand that the afternoon service was not attractive, and therefore not profitable, as US customs clearance at SNN is not available in the late afternoon. Having the ability to clear US customs and arrive in the US as a domestic passenger is a major plus point.

[DaveReidUK]

Footballers and F1 Teams will like it like that no doubt.

Good luck trying to make an aircraft pay its way if use is restricted to that type of market.

Unless Titan are getting an extremely good deal from the lessor ...

[compton3bravo]

I would suggest Titan know exactly what they are doing with all their experience in the charter market. They have just been ferrying F1 personnel etc to and from Sochi to Luton using a B757, B
767, A321 and A320.

[B772]

Both the A318 and the B737-600 have little capital value. In most cases only the parted out value for spares and scrap.

[DaveReidUK]

Both the A318 and the B737-600 have little capital value. In most cases only the parted out value for spares and scrap.

My point exactly.

Both of those variants share the same characteristics, being in effect the runt of their respective families, both out of production with only a few dozen having been built and, in the case of the A318, with examples less than 10 years old having been scrapped already.

You can't give then away, so lessors are between a rock and a hard place. Titan are likely getting such a good deal that they will be able to afford to keep their example(s) parked for extended periods.

[El Bunto]

Latest mothly leasing rate I can find for an A318 is around $70k*. That's on-par with a very early 737-300 and about half the rate of a recent ATR72...

* hard to pin down as there are so few of them

[Buster the Bear]

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/ba-signals-london-city-jfk-single-frequency-move-is-permanent-9996

Shannon pre-clearance is the issue.

[El Bunto]

It's actually the opposite; an increasingly large proportion of the passengers on those flights have TSA Global Entry preclearance, for whom the Shannon stop-over is a nuisance.

Global Entry was rolled-out to UK citizens in November 2015. It is very, very quick at the destination: scan passport and a couple of fingers at a machine and take the 'entry ticket' it issues. Shannon does have Global Entry kiosks but those travellers don't save any time using them there.

Given that, the time-saving of flying from London City is more than eaten by the time on approach and on the ground at Shannon. So why not just fly from Heathrow?

[160to4DME]

Because if you live/work in The City, you can turn up at LCY 20 minutes before departure instead of the !hr 15minute schlep to LHR, the 60 minute conformance and general hustle and hassle of Terminal 5 at Heathrow.

CWLCY remains a wonderful product for those it was created for.

[vectisman]

A bit of thread drift here methinks! Please more news of Titan Airways? Thanks.

[Jerbourg]

Coming Soon...All-Business Airbus A318 (http://www.titan-airways.com/news/coming-soon-all-business-airbus-a318.html)

[DaveReidUK]

Coming Soon...All-Business Airbus A318 (http://www.titan-airways.com/news/coming-soon-all-business-airbus-a318.html)

Wisely, no reference to LCY.

[DaveReidUK]

Titan's Alastair Willson is quoted in Flight as saying that the A318 acquisition could provide an opportunity for Titan to return to the LCY market.

The aircraft will be reconfigured to 112Y "within seven to nine months", but then the article goes on to state confusingly that "either configuration is available to customers".

Titan to acquire all-premium A318 from BA (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/titan-to-acquire-all-premium-a318-from-ba-436803/)

[Musket90]

Titan are very experienced at re-configuring aircraft cabin layouts to suit whatever the requirement is. I'd be surprised if it didn't occasionally operate into LCY for other operators provided the crews are suitably qualified and approved for the steep approach and short runway, just like the BA crews were.

[daz211]

Titan A318 G-EUNB en-route Vegas w/ VIPs. Promo decals for McGregor v Mayweather fight.

[1gintonic]

When I discovered BA was to dispose of one A318 I sent a suggestion to the Management at Southampton airport that BA could be approached to start SOU-JFK. Similar principle as LCY with short runway and large catchment area for business traffic. Got no reply!

[BAladdy]

Titan 737-300QC (G-ZAPW) was WFU by Titan on the 4th September.

Does anyone know if Titan plan to add any more Airbus aircraft to the fleet prior to S18?.

[Brigantee]

2 x ex airberlin 330 ,s coming soon ...

[BAladdy]

Interesting, wonder if LS will use one on lease to replace the current Air Tanker aircraft.

A Travel Service 737-800 (OM-GTF) has been operating flights on behalf of Titan since 2nd October. I am guessing they have leased the aircraft to provide additional capacity to operate Monarch repatriation flights?

[SWBKCB]

Yes - also a Blue Panorama 737

[compton3bravo]

Also an Orange2Fly Airbus A320.

[kcockayne]

Several others as well ! It's an ill wind that blows no one any good !

[Sean Dillon]

I’ve heard they have placed an order for 2 A321 Neo’s as they have won the Four Seasons contract from TAG.

[BAladdy]

According to Titan’s website they are adding a passenger 737-400 to the fleet in late January early February next year. The aircraft is to be registered G-POWS and is to be configured in a single class configuration of 146 seats.

Boeing 737-400: Standard Class (http://www.titan-airways.com/fleet/boeing-737-400-standard-class.html)

Does anyone know where the aircraft is coming from?.

Have Titan changed there mind about transitioning to a all Airbus fleet or are there to be more Airbus aircraft to be added to the fleet during 2018?.

[cornishsimon]

Could that be the 2nd ex lgw based BA 734 that they had an option on ?

[LBIA]

Do Titan Airways still hold an option to take a 2nd stored ex British Airways, Boeing 737-400?

[Stanstedeye]

318 G-EUNB has left LAX, & should arrive back at STN at 23.59.

[garry8g]

A320-233 G-POWI has left the Titan fleet, WFU 11 Nov 17

[mathers_wales_uk]

A320-233 G-POWI has left the Titan fleet, WFU 11 Nov 17

I thought Titan was taking on more Airbus rather than getting rid of some.

[El Bunto]

I thought Titan was taking on more Airbus rather than getting rid of some.

It was a fixed-term lease from CIT Aerospace. Was due up in early 2018.

[Serenity]

What news of any more aircraft joining. Will they need them to cover the Jet2 and BA contracts next summer??
What about he A330 rumours?? Thanks

[southside bobby]

Word is on ZAP-POW`s currently..
G-POWS B734 The 2nd ex BA machine & for ops as a pax a/c in it`s first season.
G-POWT A321 The replacement for `POWI & ex MON.
Both due Spring`18.

[Dan Dare]

Why G-POW_? Many airlines have an identifiable reason for the recurring part of the reg. but I’ve never been able to put POW together with Titan and I need to know!

[TopBunk]

I suggest ZAP and POW relate to the noises cartoon characters make when fighting

[chaps1954]

Top Bunk
Never thought of that but very feasible

Ian

[rog747]

zap! and pow! was from batman tv series

[southside bobby]

Yes always was & totally as conceived...Genuis...
Callsign ZAP & reg sequence POW*.....& as stated from the old batman TV series with the drawn insets when there was a fight...
But now up to POWT so soon to run out of that sequence alas.
With the earlier blue livery the globe on the side was a representation of the largest moon of Saturn....Titan!!.

[22/04]

There lots of G-ZAPs in the early days - think I travelled on ZAPD, a Shorts 360

[southside bobby]

Yes....quite right first in that original sequence was ZAPA a C404.
To POW`s when that sequence ran out.
Tragically one of the original founders of Titan was killed when ZAPP his Christen Eagle aerobatic a/c crashed one evening back in 1990.

[SWBKCB]

I suggest ZAP and POW relate to the noises cartoon characters make when fighting

Fancy Dan Dare not knowing that! :ok:

[El Bunto]

Yes....quite right first in that original sequence was ZAPA a C404.

For which they originally advertised for pilots with the headline "Would you like a four-day week?"

Their ICAO designator of AWC is a bit odd, perhaps selected for Aircraft Worldwide Charter? Perhaps they thought ZAP was a bit alarming for a departures board.

[southside bobby]

Yes...AWC prefix effectively the only part that doesn't fit a genius idea...

[MontyP]

Yes...AWC prefix effectively the only part that doesn't fit a genius idea...

I believe AWC are the initials of the joint founder who was killed in the crash mentioned a few posts earlier. A tribute perhaps.

[ex-sx]

Quite correct Monty, a tribute to Allen Chapman.

[El Bunto]

I believe AWC are the initials of the joint founder who was killed in the crash mentioned a few posts earlier. A tribute perhaps.

Thanks, makes sense.

Digging into ICAO history revealed that the designator POW is allocated to Hagondale Ltd. Weren't they Titan's owners at some point?

Update: still active on Companies House with same address and directors as Titan.

[southside bobby]

Quite plausible...tho Titan was formed in 1988 two years before the unfortunate accident & I cannot at the moment remember if there was a different prefix on startup or perhaps they used his initials to start.
I have learnt today tho that Titan was named for its first a/c the Cessna 404 Titan, notwithstanding what I posted earlier that the globe on the side of the a/c with the old livery represented the largest moon of Saturn which it certainly did.
I believe that that then was an association gift literally from the gods as probably the Voyager spacecraft had just transmitted back great photos of Titan on it`s flyby of the moons of Saturn back in the day.

[El Bunto]

Did they inherit that C404 from Kondair? Can't remember how that outfit became Titan and as usual the Internet has a collective lapse of memory there.

[southside bobby]

Certainly some of Titan`s aircraft in the past have been registered to Hagondale Ltd.

[TopBunk]

I did a supernumary with a guy (who taught me to fly back when at SEN) back in 1989 from STN-DUS-STN in G-ZAPA, as said above, a C404.

In those days the callsign was TOT.

[Expressflight]

Yes, Alan Chapman.

I remember that sad day only too well unfortunately. A great guy.

Alan and Fred Turner were a brilliant team in the 1980s.

[southside bobby]

Thanks for "TOT".

ZAPA was imported directly into the UK with that personalised reg..so any Kondair association is not clear.

But it certainly appears Kondair was subsumed into Titan back in the late eighties.

[Border Reiver]

Didn't Kondair go into National Airways?

[southside bobby]

National Airways was Southend so out of my manor now...

Expressflight was here a little while back perhaps he could inform you.

I am still led to believe the majority of Kondair was absorbed into Titan.

[Expressflight]

Goodness that's going back a long time ss but Phil Jeffries ran Kondair whose fleet included Trislanders but I'm not sure about C404s. We (EXF) had 404s in the mid 1980s and I don't think Kondair did at that time as I would remember if they did I'm sure. EXF then merged with Hubbardair in 1986 and operated a quite large 404 fleet. Alan Chapman and Fred Turner ran Artac Air Chartering in those days and I think they started Titan around two(?) years later. I seem to recall that Gene Willson was perhaps instrumental in getting their AOC so maybe they took on a 404 from Hubbardair's combined fleet. I kept in touch with Alan and Fred for a few years but more socially than professionally.

There must be someone out there who has the definitive answer.

[southside bobby]

Thanks for your info & memory Expressflight & yes very correct of course with at least the trail of one C404 & the mention of Artac too as research on Titan`s 2nd C404 G-ZAPB shows it indeed with Hubbardair originally with G-HIGS as registration.
Ownership of it was eventually transferred to Artac with a STN address & ultimately re reg to G-ZAPB with Titan then as owner.
As you say too Gene Willson is credited as a co founder of Titan & became sole shareholder in more recent years after leading a management buy out.
Some of Kondair`s flying exploits are worthy of a book in their own right & even an action B movie..Not however for this thread.

[willy wombat]

Probably not fair to mention Artac without mentioning Allan "it is a peculiar thing what has happened" Telling who was the third member of the Artac trio. The death of Alan Chapman was extremely sad. I was at the funeral - standing room only - and at the burial following the funeral a Titan Bandeirante performed an extremely low flypast. I can't remember whether Gene was flying it or on the ground coordinating it. It all seems a very long time ago.

[irishlad06]

Word is on ZAP-POW`s currently..
G-POWS B734 The 2nd ex BA machine & for ops as a pax a/c in it`s first season.
G-POWT A321 The replacement for `POWI & ex MON.
Both due Spring`18.


GPOWN and GPOWT will both be STN based summer 18 for Jet2.com

[southside bobby]

Thanks for the info...Will be good to see them both working from "home" for Summer 18..
Would EXS sell up to the extra seat capacity (which my maths makes 23 as the difference between a 738 & these particular 321`s) on the services allotted to them?.

[Plane.Silly]

189 vs 212 seats, i can't see that being a problem for them, They seem to do well with their 235 B752's and without positioning any into STN, seems the logical way to increase capacity on the busiest routes

[southside bobby]

My query was not to question if the business was able as undoubtedly it is.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.

[G-CLAW]

National Airways was Southend so out of my manor now...

Expressflight was here a little while back perhaps he could inform you.

I am still led to believe the majority of Kondair was absorbed into Titan.

Kondair was bought by National Airways at Southend c.1987-1988 with Phil Jefferies becoming Chief Pilot or Director of Flight Operations at National Airways.

I think the Kondair AOC was kept 'alive' after the takeover to operate the Trislanders and the C404.

As I remember, Phil left National sometime after to join Titan, from where he retired from commercial flying as a BAe 146 Captain.

I wonder if he's still around? He was a real character!

[irishlad06]

My query was not to question if the business was able as undoubtedly it is.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.


Sold as 212 seats exactly like previous years at MAN, they will operate specific routes and flights each week. List tbc.

[El Bunto]

Great info on those late-1980s operators.

Turns-out the Kondair C404 was G-RUSH so not related to G-ZAPA, my error.

https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/Kondair+Cargo

[southside bobby]

Great news re 212 seats to be sold on the two A321`s...many thanks.

[southside bobby]

G-POWS B737-400 configured with 146 seats will join the fleet in Feb.Will be operated in the charter & AOG role until Oct when it will be "converted" for cargo operation.

[fjencl]

Who is Titan operating for summer 2018 at LGW......

[Buster the Bear]

G-POWS is destined to be the ex British Airways B737-400 G-DOCT. A 1992 airframe.

[BAladdy]

Just booked BA flights to GIB from LGW for this July. Flights are showing as being operated by Titan. Had a look at other BA destinations from LGW and there are a few showing as being operated by Titan.

Wondering if anyone info on how many aircraft are being leased to BA and how long they are being leased for?.

Also was wondering if anyone knows the status of there 757 G-ZAPX?. As it doesn’t seem have operated a flight since late October?.

[Buster the Bear]

G-ZAPX in the hangar at Lasham.

[Flightwatch]

Courtesy of the BA source:

Titan Airways On Board as British Announce Increased Gatwick Summer Schedule.
Jan 4, 2018
Following parent company IAG’s successful bid for former Monarch slots at London Gatwick, British Airways today indicated an expanded summer schedule from March 25th with frequency increases on the Malaga, Alicante, Faro and Tenerife South and new British Airways mainline services to Palma, Mahon and Gibraltar. Titan Airways provide some of the capacity.

[toledoashley]

I wonder if we could see POWS at LGW, how ironic if so! Back one last summer...

[BAladdy]

Had more of a look and it looks like all the flights are showing as being operated by a Airbus. I first thought that they are leasing 2 A320’s however there are some days were Titan are showing as operating 3 flights departing within a couple of hours of each other. They all showing as A320 operated, however Titan only have 2 A320’s left in there Fleet.

[toledoashley]

Thanks - and don't Titan also operate the Gambia/Corsica charters with 320's?

[cornishsimon]

Think titan have picked up an ex ZB A320

[southside bobby]

Titan A320`s supporting BAW A320`s over 13 destinations ex LGW from end May18 thru end Sept 18.

One AWC A320 has been handed back to the lessor being on a shorter lease with another said to be joining the fleet as replacement.

Rumors continue that the CAA are "unhappy" with the requested lease in by BAW of 6 QTR A320`s to complement the fleet re the capacity void connected with late deliveries & the acquisition of the MON slots.

The CAA view appears to be BAW can/could take remedial action re the late deliveries & acquiring the MON slots with a knowledge of their lack of capacity is a problem of their own making.

The CAA could appear to be holding to the recognised policy of leases from within the EU
at the present time.

[Serenity]

So overall, is this going to be an extra airframe for Titan?

[Jerry123]

There is an ex Monarch A320 G-ZBAP parked up at St Athan at the moment. So maybe that is destined for Titan?

[jijpc]

According to Jethros ex Monarch A321 G-ZBAF is to become G-POWT with Titan

[mrshubigbus]

If only BA had agreed terms with Monarch. This could all have been avoided! Nine or ten A320/A321s already based at LGW with some highly motivated Monarch crews - all let go and now scattered far and wide while BA try and lease in Qatar and Titan Airways to run what were already Monarch routes on the very slots that they bought! Such a waste of resources as neither side would strike a deal! Between all the various parties involved in this, including the CAA, what a mess!

[garry8g]

Are the two A321's (GPOWN & GPOWT) not both destined for Jet2 for Summer 18 this year, based out of Stansted?

[canberra97]

mrshubigbus

I agree with most of what you wrote but seriously did British Airways really want to be saddled with the Monarch debt plus a bunch of unwanted B737 Max!

It is mess as British Airways have obtained the Monarch slots without having enough available aircraft of their own to operate them not that we didn't know that but it was obvious that they didn't have enough spare capacity to fully utilise these slots without having to lease in alternative aircraft for summer 2018.

What happens for summer 2019, I wonder how many A319/320's will be moving over to LGW from LHR once British Airways start receiving their new A320/321 neos as this may well delay the gradual withdrawal of the A319's from the fleet.

[toledoashley]

Not just lacking the aircraft, but reorganising the schedule as well. Certainly in the case of Tenerife and Madeira although capacity has been increased the flights depart within ten minutes of each other and have different flight times!

[HZ123]

Qatar application to the CAA by BA has been withdrawn seemingly, so I guess there will be a few other aircraft leased in!

Business wise it makes commercial sense to assess these routes and then plan what to do with the slots 2018/2019. Some may well be utilised by LEVEL next year.

[canberra97]

I can't see IAG bringing the Level brand to LGW there is absolutely no benefit for them in doing so, with British Airways having the B777 going 10 abreast to increase seat capacity to compete with Norwegian is already underway and the Level brand will only dilute and confuse the situation at LGW.

Level will be more of a European focused brand with bases in BCN, FCO, ORY, etc and if the brand is ever brought to the United Kingdom I think that we're see Level at MAN long before we're see them at LGW.

With all the concerns about IAG having to compete with Norwegian well that airline might not even be around long enough to be of any long term concern for IAG.

[Serenity]

So back to Titan,

Extra airframes, extra crews?

[STN Ramp Rat]

It is the titan thread ! we seem to have thread drift

[Porky Speedpig]

ba.com showing flights operated by Titan ex LGW from February

[southside bobby]

New corporate jet EMB505 Phenom 300 G-WZAP arrives STN today.

The registration sequence continues!...well sort of as far as the system allows anyway..:)

[Musket90]

They ought to register one G-ADAM in memory of Adam West the original Batman !

[STN Ramp Rat]

according to https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=200732 G-ADAM crashed in 1935. the CAA do not recycle aircraft registrations so its not available.... nice idea though.

[Plane.Silly]

It'll happen at some point, there's only so many aircraft reg's they can have

All British aircraft start with G-, then a random 4 letters, giving 26^4 = 456,976 possibly combinations. I'd wager that about half of these have been used at some point, so thats well over 200k registrations still to be used.

THEN we can start recycling, (or move to G-#####)

[Buster the Bear]

The letter Q is not used.

[Una Due Tfc]

Or they’ll introduce numbers to the registrations like the yanks do.

[sparkie320]

sorry but is this about Titan
its fleet, developements and goings on
or is a ramble on about nothing

what the plans on Titan going fully Airbus is that still the plan, are they picking up the other A318 from British Airways

[garry8g]

Any updates on Titan acquiring A330's into the fleet?

[Wycombe]

Are they picking up the other A318 from British Airways


One would imagine BA need this (unique within the fleet) aircraft in order to operate the LCY-JFK schedule, unless you know something the rest of us don't!

[BAladdy]

Does anyone know if Titan are operating on behalf of LS again this summer and if so how many and which aircraft are involved?.

Also are Titan still planning to reconfigure there leased A318 to all economy at some point?. If this is still the plan, then will it be in the near future?

[Wycombe]

Titan A320`s supporting BAW A320`s over 13 destinations ex LGW from end May18 thru end Sept 18.

I was just looking at flights LGW-DBV at the beginning of April, and these are showing as "operated by Titan Airways" on ba.com

[irishlad06]

GPOWN A321 will be STN based this summer along with GPOWT A321 (ex monarch)

GPOWH B752 will be LBA based.

That’s it for now that’s been confirmed - think BA have the remainder of the fleet.

[Plane.Silly]

These 3 are leased to Jet2 aren't they?

[canberra97]

There are several destinations by British Airways from Gatwick showing as ''operated by Titan Airways'' for the summer schedule 2018.

Not sure if the full list of destinations was mentioned on here or on another forum but there are a few more than just DBV.

[Wycombe]

Yes, aware of that, it was the earlier info suggesting ZT ops for BA from end May 18 thru end Sept 18 that I was questioning as ba.com suggests otherwise.

[MKY661]

Maybe it'll be one of their A320's that gets leased to BA?

[BAladdy]

BA are leasing at least two A320’s from Titan to operate from LGW in the coming months. There are already a number of flights showing as being operated by Titan in March.

BA are set to finalise the S18 schedule before the end of the months

[canberra97]

I hadn't mentioned about the two Titan A320's being leased by British Airways for summer 2018 operations from Gatwick because I thought everyone was aware of that information!

There was a preliminary schedule posted either here or on another forum where it listed which flights were to be flown by Titan ex LGW for the upcoming summer schedules hence my reply regarding DBV as that is one of the destinations already confirmed along with quite a few others.

[paully]

According to GBC, BA are operating the Gatwick flights using Titan metal
between May and September.


GBC - Gibraltar News - GBC TV and Radio Gibraltar (http://www.gbc.gi/news/ba-use-charter-airlines-add-new-flights-london-gib)

[vectisman]

BA will be operating some flights and Titan will operate some on their behalf during the summer.

[BAladdy]

Also the destinations that the Titan aircraft will be used to serve will change on a week by weeks basis. Titan aircraft will are being used to operate various rotations to the following destinations during S18. Below are a list of the ones I have just come across

ACE, AGP, ALC, DBV, DLM, EDI, FAO, FNC, GIB, HER, NCE, LCA, MAH, OPO, PFO, PMI, RHO, SKG, SVQ, TFS, TIA, & VLC

[garry8g]

BA are leasing at least two A320’s from Titan to operate from LGW in the coming months. There are already a number of flights showing as being operated by Titan in March.

BA are set to finalise the S18 schedule before the end of the months

Are Titan looking to source further A320's to their fleet for summer 18?

Has anybody heard anything further on them acquiring A330's?

[canberra97]

Titan are looking at receiving two extra A320's prior to the summer season but I'm not sure on their position regarding the A330.

[LBIA]

Looks like Titan Airways are taking delivery of Boeing 737-400, G-POWS (ex British Airways G-DCOT) as its been flown from Montreal to London Stansted this afternoon after spending 4 years sat in the desert at Victorville.

[Plane.Silly]

Always nice to see old birds brought back to life. Suppose it'll keep commanility with their B733, while also providing a nice capacity increase. I'd expect 160-170 on there when it's kitted out, assuming they stick with the all economy class

[southside bobby]

Reported in Dec `POWS to be configured with 146 seats & with some charter contracts already then signed.

Due to be used in the cargo role from October 18.

`POWC in Coca Cola livery at present.

[garry8g]

According to Jethro's, POWS is to operate for British Airways Summer 18, based at Gatwick!

[southside bobby]

Titan website stating same info as in December regarding `POWS.

However might be all change I guess following CAA refusal for QTR 320`s to operate for BAW over Summer`18 which has had BAW scrambling for EU aircraft.

`POWS was not originally acquired for a LGW base this Summer.

[LBIA]

Wonder if BA could bring back into service some of the stored B734's themselves instead of letting Titan pick of the best ones left?

[wiggy]

First objection of many to that idea would be how would BA crew them? The whole reason for the wet lease in the first place is that BA haven’t got enough shorthaul pilots to crew the summer schedule so their training department is going to be peddling like mad just to fill the ‘bus slots.....

[EK77WNCL]

Any idea of telling which routes POWS will be operating out of LGW?

Purely due to the 734 becoming a rarer and rarer breed that I wouldn't mind logging, especially if it's going to operate into somewhere like GIB

[southside bobby]

Confirmed from other sources too that `POWS will indeed be at LGW for Summer`18...
Good business for AWC I imagine as sustained & prolonged income instead of ad hoc charters for this Summer & based too at the airframes old home.
Aviation "a funny old business".....

[vectisman]

southside bobby. Titan is very busy during most of the year. It has many long term contracts with other European airlines and indeed worldwide. Last summer most aircraft were flying continually for other operators and on its own services. The winter has been busy too! It is more of a case that Titan sometimes has to turn down requests rather than go looking for them!

[southside bobby]

Well aware of all facets of the AWC operation & their enviable worldwide reputation built up over many many years based over a STN HQ.

What you write is not really necessary because you only rehearse facts all know!.

AWC could have turned down a summer deployment with this airframe if they really really chose to (they were stating they already had signed some contracts for it even before delivery & perhaps I shouldn't have written just ad hoc charters) but for numerous reasons mainly their own economics I suspect & perhaps of course keeping one of their major customers ie "the flag carrier" happy the deployment works & has mutual benefits for both parties in this instance.

The last remark on my previous just related to the fact that it is slightly ironic this particular frame was at one time operated by BA from Gatwick!="A funny old business".

[TitanCadetScheme]

Another A321 will join - in addition to the already announced one. Client airline will be announced soon.

All good news, looks like adding up to another busy year with more pilots and crew needed.

[MKY661]

Another former Monarch one I'm guessing?

[SOFarrell]

Any idea of telling which routes POWS will be operating out of LGW?

Purely due to the 734 becoming a rarer and rarer breed that I wouldn't mind logging, especially if it's going to operate into somewhere like GIB

I'd definitely book a flight wherever it's going to have a ride on the 734 again. Any ideas how we find out ? Having worked for BA and flown on them many times they are much more fun than the boring old 319's and 320's.

[Plane.Silly]

Given the 734 will only have 146 seats (when previous Y configs were upto 180), it should provide a lovely amount of legroom.

Also heard an unconfirmed rumour that the new A321 will be leased to Jet2 for the summer season based @ STN

[southside bobby]

Not too sure a B734 would have been to 180...High density B738 is 189..

The Titan website was the source of 146 seats for their own ACMI work before the BAW lease happened whether the config has changed is not determined.

BTW `POWS airborne from STN on an airtest today & is in full AWC livery...believe it`s first work from LGW is shortly.

[rog747]

734 max Y seating was 170
AE DA Novair and UK leisure had this config
BMA put 156 in theirs for charters

738 is 189

[toledoashley]

The BA seating was 149 at the end... I wonder if they have even kept the interior?

[The96er]

The reason the BA737-400 were at 149 config was so that they could operate with x3 cabin crew (1 per 50 pax).

[Plane.Silly]

I meant to say 170, i do apologise to everyone. THanks Rog747 for reminding me.

The 738 was a stretch from the 700 and the size gap runs nearly parallel to the difference between the 734 and 733, so higher density configs aren't impossible, but they'd be damn near impossible to cope with.Imagine the legroom (or a great lack of it)

[BAladdy]

Does anyone know when the 737 arrived at LGW early this afternoon. The aircraft is planned to operate tomorrow to TRN (BA2576/BA2577) and AGP (BA2714/BA2715).

[El Bunto]

B734 G-POWP seems to be giving a bit of trouble recently. Spent a day on the ground at Belfast last week aftera technical issue and West Atlantic are covering the mail services this week.

[BAladdy]

BA have added more flights to there S18 LGW schedule. A number of the additional flights are shown as operated by a Titan A320.

The schedule now shows that Titan will require 3 A320’s to operate all the flights they are shown as operating. Does anyone know if they are adding another A320 aircraft to the fleet in the coming months?.

Also is there any update on when they are planning to reconfigure the A318?.

[corsaman]

734 max Y seating was 170
AE DA Novair and UK leisure had this config
BMA put 156 in theirs for charters

738 is 189

IIRC BMA upped G-BOPJ (later OBMN) and other 734 charter aircraft in their fleet to 174 pax. The 156 seater scheduled configuration aircraft were used for charter too, and subbed frequently for the 174's. Ex-BFS, a frequent sight in the early 90's were 18 customers departing via LHR for their intended destination, due to a tech issue on the based charter aircraft.

[lotus1]

I see Titan are doing quite a lot of work for celebrity cruise lines using the vip terminal at stanstead belive aircraft will be in a 149 seat capacity this is being offered in celebrity's web page and brochere as a vip package flying clients to Mediterranean destinations to connect to ship