Leicester Crash

[Gordon Bennet]

I heard somebody stoved in a 22 yesterday. Anyone know any details?

Gord

[flyingsniffer]

Had me going there...my 206 is based at Leicester!

[Mungo5]

Helicopter crash | This is Leicestershire (http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Helicopter-crash/story-16711836-detail/story.html)

[Lewycasino]

Photograph of Aircraft G-BTHI (http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-BTHI&imgname=G-BTHI001&imgtype=jpg)

[outofwhack]

Wow that looks really bad

[Hughes500]

outof

Mind you he is eating a sandwich !:uhoh:

[Bob the Doc]

We were tasked on our HEMS unit to it. Stood down en route as all occupants out and OK. Didn't get the details of what happened (might not be able to say if I did!)

[fluffy5]

Well it is not the first time BTHI has been bent a bit, I am sure it will buff out.
Good to see no one is injured.


Fluffy

[Cows getting bigger]

I heard somebody stoved in a 22 yesterday. Anyone know any details?

Try Gatwick, flight test bookings. :oh:

[Helinut]

If I understand post 9,it was only a matter of time. Currency is king, especially with some types of hele.

[nigelh]

Was it not the examiner who was flying ? :D If so and there is now a vacancy i am happy to step in ....but not on robbos :=

[Flyinganaes]

Just to stop speculation in the wrong direction. I believe the Instructor/Examiner is a very very experienced heli pilot and was instructing a CPL student just prior to his test. It wasn't pilot error but some form of mechanical failure as yet to be determined by AAIB.
Luckily nobody hurt. Had it been me in the that heli - and I first soloed in it -
I'd be dead now! Congrats to the pilot(s) on a successful outcome

[Lewycasino]

I believe the Instructor/Examiner is a very very experienced heli pilot and was instructing a CPL student just prior to his test. It wasn't pilot error but some form of mechanical failure

Correct.

I have seen the pilot statement, machanical failure, NOT pilot error.

[ShyTorque]

Some "armchair aces" obviously think whatever the failure, they can always get the aircraft back to it's drip tray in the hangar. :p

[misbourne]

Well done guys for walking away :ok:

[nigelh]

why has nobody said or even speculated what happened ? This IS supposed to be a rumour site isnt it ?!! By the way i didnt imply it was pilot error OR failure but just stated that the examiner was flying at the time . Will be interesting to see what fell off / broke this time ............

[fluffy5]

Just one question,

As the student was just finishing off his cpl training, will he get charged for the flight or will the company give it to him as a free one, as you can walk away.
Imagine the scenario, not that I am implying anything to do with the above accident, but if you are flying along and the examiner / instructor is the handling pilot at the time, and they crash due to mishandling or mechanical fault, and the injuries are severe. You as a prospective Commercial pilot who has invested all their money time and effort are now wheel chair bound, I wonder the legalities that may be pursued.
Where I work at the moment, our company is taking steps that we sit in a course of their legal aviation reprensitatives that brief the crew, that in the event of an incident we know exactly what to say, and what our legal rights are and the legal procedures governing an aviation accident, which not only covers yourself...... But also the company from any little nasty lawsuit because the pilot opened his mouth.

Fluffy

[Hughes500]

Well if you are going to loose the tail rotor best to do it at 50 kts 100 ft rather than 20 kts less than 50 ft as you loose translational lift :ok:

[Heli-Jock]

Do we know who the examiner / instructor on board was?
My old CPL instructor works from Leicester.

[Swiss Cheese]

Good question deserves an answer. Peer comment will only tell if the answer passes muster!

There have been a few incidents where promising (and indebted) CPL students have been injured (or worse) - either due in part or whole to the handling pilot and/or mechanical problems.

The Examiner and the owner/operator of the heli will have the benefit and protection of aviation liability insurance, usually a minimum of £1-2m depending on type an operation (often £5-10m on turbine).

The injured CPL student (or his next of kin) will have a valid claim if the facts prove fault of Examiner and/or machine.

The aviation insurers have a commercially vested interest in minimising claims, hence maximising air safety as well as coaching operations not to admit responsibility in any accident. Some aviation insurers are also known to look for reasons to withdraw the insurance policy to cover a given claim - and they will use all available small print.

The UK Heli world has a new aviation insurer this year, and I expect premiums might actually decrease a tiny bit in the short term.... a nice thought.

[A.Agincourt]

Fluffy5: I find it always bestl to go back to the basics - was the sortie completed as briefed and as expected and for which a price was contracted? I think not in this case. The cause of failure is not relevent except in mitigation but in simple fact the service paid for was not delivered, therefore no fee should be paid at all. Simple. How many times do we all get someone to provide a service for us and when that which is paid for is not delivered.....we feel its only right not to pay or at least demand a change in rate to reflect the circumstance. But......it depends on your strength of character and will power as well as the snake eyed buggers you are dealing with. However, we do not know the cause of the incident, you might take the view that the whole episode was actualy a very valuable lesson and one which will forever be vivid. That will modify attitude etc.........so you could say the trip had an enhanced 'tuition' value above that contracted for. LOL!!:O Who was handling pilot? I suspect not the student/about to be CPL........perhaps this was a trip very worth while and from my perspective I'd happily pay the full whack for the sortie, definately good value for money there......they walked away uninjured. Cheap at the price.

Best Wishes

[fwjc]

Best bit was seeing the wreckage displayed on the back of a trailer in the middle of the next village - talk about an advert for heli flying! Well it certainly got people rubber-necking anyway.

[ascj]

I have seen the pilot statement, machanical failure, NOT pilot error.:hmm:

No comment on this accident but fair dinkum, if i believed the pilots reports on the accidents i've seen i would give up flying!! blasted gust of wind might get me...