Sadly....another shooting at a university.

Texas A&M Shooting: 1 Officer Dead, 1 Wounded In College Station Shooting (LIVE UPDATES) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/texas-am-shooting-college-station_n_1773387.html?458948&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D191877)

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Home eviction gone bad. Nothing to do with the University.

Yikes...sorry this is such trivial news to folks. :uhoh:

I happen to know people who are faculty, so found it disturbing, whether at or near the university.

I happen to know people who are faculty, so found it disturbing, whether at or near the university.

I hope that they are okay, looks like they should be. However, the campus may have been locked down as a precaution. No sense taking chances.

One Officer dead, the Shooter dead....

An Eviction action gone bad. Some people just don't like being thrown out of their home I guess. One of the risks encountered daily by Law Enforcment agencies....and has to be planned for in the event it happens.

Three dead in shooting near Texas A&M campus, reports say | The Lookout - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-shooter-apprehended-near-texas-m-campus-183653265.html)

How long before the media are reporting that the shooter is a Tea Party member?

Whow, America gets more like Liverpool every day !!!!

Lid

shooter appeared to be firing an automatic weapon from a home in the area.

I seriously doubt that it was an "automatic" weapon. Journos...

I blame weak eviction-control laws.

More guns = more protection surely? :hmm:

So why didn't all of your legal gun toting have a go heroes step up? Self defence? Well an automatic is pretty indiscriminate.

Pussies.

From what is being reported the cops(s) were serving an eviction notice in an apartment building. It's not as if the gunman walked ino a crowd and started shooting. Unless he was in a designated gun free zone he sura as hell woul have encountered some return fire in The Great State of Texas.

Ths is a terribly sad situation, still developing, so let's see what happened. I still doubt it was an "automatic". Probably an AR15 or a Mini-14.

Lord they could never have done that! Why a malitia would have gone one down, leaving the States open to attack from abroad!

It's Noel as if the

Ya got to love that auto-correct/spell thingy. :p


Hmm, noticed that the pre-teens are back here posting. :rolleyes:

Hey, hey, I corrected that as soon as I saw it. Yes, damn autocorrect.

Does a malitia come from Malta?

Mali, surely?

There are pictures out there of what could be an AR-15 that MIGHT have been used by the gunman lying on the ground partly under a brown sedan. Doesn't mean it was a full auto weapon, or that it was used by the person being evicted

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/ktrk/cms_exf_2007/_video_wn_images/8771933_448x252.jpg

http://kdfw.images.worldnow.com/images/19264834_BG1.jpg

I asked you not to call me surely.

I asked you not to call me surely.

Ok, maybe :p

So why didn't all of your legal gun toting have a go heroes step up?
Self defence? Well an automatic is pretty indiscriminate.

Pussies.

More guns = more protection surely? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/yeees.gif
I think guns are very intersting from a mechanical engineering perspective..especially full autos...and when I was younger i also got tired of being jumped:8

so much so that I went and bought .380 S&W at TWELVE YEARS OLD!!!...in NY!!!, very, very easy...had it within 24 hours of my decision to acquire it...you think they can be banned...do you...:E

I knew this would turn into an anti gun rant sooner or later...how did a gun ban help those 79 people murdered in Holland?

nowadays as a law abiding citezen the hoops I would have to jump through just to keep one in my house makes it not worth it at all...forget concealed carry...but if I still really wanted a gun I could probably have it within a couple of days...might buy a shot gun though, just to look at and admire...:E:8

PS never had to use it and I was a nrvous wreck carrying so I shot all the bullets by the rail yard and got rid of it after about a month...wonder if it's still where I left it...:suspect:

Who's mentioned banning? Not I, but you've quoted me nonetheless.

The standard reason for owning a gun, usually in an American accent, is self defence. Now if I had the capability, read gun, for self defence then without hesitation I would use it and that, sure as night follows day, would extend to others around me. I believe US law allows such an act as well.

So, where were you all? That is what you've been waiting for is it not?

I think guns are very intersting from a mechanical engineering perspective..especially full autos

I just watched a video of a friend's brother firing a semi-automatic AK-47 of "full auto"... I had to watch the video three times and have how it worked explained to me... Held in the right way and wearing the right clothing make it fully automatic - but legal.

I can take a British SLR, (FN FAL), semi automatic and make it fully auto with a matchstick.

These aren't huge secrets...

But when it comes down to it the darned thing isn't very dangerous in the right hands. It's those that have wrong in mind that make them dangerous.

Lord Spandex Masher Perhaps I misread your statement as sarcasm...I'm just so used to people, writing sarcastic things about US gun laws...if I misunderstood I'm sorry...I thought you were taking a swipe at gun-owners...so many here do...if so I do apoloigize:O

There are restrictions on owning a full auto in Texas. But nothing spells out the absurdity of auto-ownership more clearly than this:


BBC News - Thai MP Boonsong Kowawisarat 'accidentally kills secretary' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19247135)

LSM

Who's mentioned banning? Not I, but you've quoted me nonetheless.

The standard reason for owning a gun, usually in an American accent, is self defence. Now if I had the capability, read gun, for self defence then without hesitation I would use it and that, sure as night follows day, would extend to others around me. I believe US law allows such an act as well.

So, where were you all? That is what you've been waiting for is it not?


What are you going on about? A law-abiding citizen wouldn't break the law and interfere with police officers doing their duty at the scene, especially when the scene is a guy in his house exchanging gunfire with them.

I don't think you are very familiar with U.S. laws.

It would be an quick way to commit suicide though. Suddenly insert yourself into a firefight and branish a weapon in front of the cops.

"There are restrictions on owning a full auto in Texas. But nothing spells out the absurdity of auto-ownership more clearly than this:"


A normal or even worse a worn Uzi with someone who isn't used to them is a dangerous thing as it is Open bolt, fire on closing so the chamber may be
empty but if it has a full mag in and the bolt closes, you get the result
as shown.


That's no excuse for pulling one out in a Restaurant.

Loose Rivets

There are restrictions on owning a full auto in Texas. But nothing spells out the absurdity of auto-ownership more clearly than this:


BBC News - Thai MP Boonsong Kowawisarat 'accidentally kills secretary' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19247135)


Since 1934, legally-owned, full-automatic weapons have been used in a grand total of 3 or 4 murders in the U.S., and there are appx 240,000 full-auto weapons registered with the ATF. I think it's absurd to cite some idiot in Thailand who brings his Uzi to dinner as evidence nobody should be able to own an automatic weapon in the U.S. The evidence here doesn't support your opinion.

There were more murders committed last year alone by people using pillows to smother than the 3 murders over the last 80 years where legally-owned machine guns were used. Is pillow ownership absurd? Or baseball bat ownership? rocks, bricks, golf clubs, beer bottles, bare hands, or anything else used in a far greater number of killings?

Every State has a restriction on owning a full-automatic weapon, because there are Federal restrictions that apply to everyone...
Federal Firearms Regulations


It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the ATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.


About half the states have further restrictions, ranging from registering to outright bans on ownership.

Anyone with any clue about weapons knows what a waste of ammunition an automatic weapon is unless it is used for fire suppression in combat... Single, aimed shots in rapid succession are far more accurate and far more deadly...

But don't tell that to the bleeding heart, yoghurt knitters... They'll poop their already skid marked panties... :rolleyes:

Earlier report of "automatic" weapon has been changed to:

the shooter appeared to be firing a weapon from a home in the area

Also, an eyewitness recount:

Rigo Cisneros, 40, an Army medic who served a tour in Afghanistan, observed the shooting from his home across the street.

“After the fourth or fifth shot I stuck my head out the door and could hear actual gun fire,” he said by telephone. “I took cover and observed that there was an officer down.”

It was unclear how long the shooting lasted, but Mr. Cisneros said the suspect exchanged fire with the police. He said the suspect seemed to be holding either an M4 or M16 assault rifle.

Even if it was an M4 or M16 (there are many variants) I still don't think that it was used in full auto mode, even if it had one.

Mr Dog

Both my statements, I believe, are correct.

You have substantially amplified the information on ownership throughout the states. I personally still believe the ownership of such weapons is absurd.

Nowhere do I suggest they should be banned, however, firing on full auto is very, very expensive. It is also very inaccurate - unless you take the 'bull in a china shop' attitude and spray disaster in the general direction. Certainly, it would take a brave enemy to stick their head above the parapet - for a second or two.

@<hidden> Animus

.how did a gun ban help those 79 people murdered in Holland

When was this then ?

Loose Rivets

Mr Dog
Both my statements, I believe, are correct.

You have substantially amplified the information on ownership throughout the states. I personally still believe the ownership of such weapons is absurd.


Your opinion is noted and it's yours to keep, but for the life of me I can't see how your linked article "spells out the absudity of full auto ownership". The guy had an Uzi at a restaurant. Illegally. There's no state that would issue a concealed-carry permit to even a qualified person for a legally-owned, full-auto weapon. I'm just not seeing the connection.

Nowhere do I suggest they should be banned, however, firing on full auto is very, very expensive. It is also very inaccurate - unless you take the 'bull in a china shop' attitude and spray disaster in the general direction. Certainly, it would take a brave enemy to stick their head above the parapet - for a second
or two.

Out of all the people I know, have known, or have merely talked to who possess legally-owned, full-auto weapons, not one has ever suggested they own them for self-defense etc. (that's what shotguns and .45s are for). They're owned as collectibles, for having a fun shoot, investments, etc. by the very well-versed in the factors you cite and usually the well-heeled. A decent BAR, Thompson, M-16 is going to set you back $15K to $25K. You don't keep them under your bed, you lock them up in a safe.

All amateurs...wanna play with dynamite here in the US you can do that too LEGALLY

How to Shoot an Anvil 200 Feet in the Air - YouTube

6 inch fireworks peanut shell - YouTube

Black Powder Cannon Fun!! - YouTube

Debarge I like It - YouTube


this is A FREE COUNTRY let people have their fun...shit!...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Most people can't control full auto and it becomes the spray and pray
is because they don't keep control of the muzzle, although trying to
keep it from rising after 10 rounds is interesting.


Re videos from the US, I like the TANNERITE one's and the
knob creek machine gun shoots.

Here is a heap of day and night videos
knob creek machine gun shoot - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=knob+creek+machine+gun+shoot&oq=knob+creek+machine+gun+shoot&gs_l=youtube.12..0l9.3885.6233.0.27475.7.6.1.0.0.0.278.761.3j1j2.6.0...0.0...1ac.UeiRpCrgLK4)


Edit
I had Thermite in the post, I meant Tannerite and the post
below mine reminded me of the correct name.

500N....love it...and the fuel barrels!!!:ok:

for the gun folks get yourselves some 'Tannerite Exploding Targets'...;););)

When was this then ?


Sorry! I meant Norway...:O

http://www.richardbarrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ch3_gunstory.jpg

What is embarrassing for Thailand, and more importantly for the Bangkok Post, is that the weapon used was not a sub-machine gun. In fact it was this Jericho 941 pistol. I took this screen grab from the Channel 3 news this morning. I think the confusion arose because the Jericho 941 was developed in Israel and has been called a Uzi Eagle. The editor at the Bangkok Post must have thought it was the stereotypical sub-machine gun and decided to use a stock image. But, we mustn’t forget that the main story here is that due to his parliamentary immunity, it is unlikely that the senator will be arrested any time soon.

From Teak Door post

The Bangkok Post is not noted for accurate reporting.!!:=

Pugilistic Anonymus, for the record, we do not have a gun ban in Norway.
Per

I suppose if I was a JB poster from the USA I would be somewhat bemused by the number of separate threads covering these shootings and the fact that they all relate to the US and don't cover the many other examples of shootings that occur on a worldwide basis (sadly) almost daily.

I suppose this fact constitutes a kind of back handed compliment to our American colleagues in the sense that one doesn't expect this kind of thing from a basically rational and civilized place like the USA whereas it comes as no surprise when talking about other rather more uncivilized places that I shall not mention here!

Caco

Something you will never see in the UK!



"Clyde.....scrap the Buick!"




Most Machine Guns Ever Fired At Once - Knob Creek, Kentucky. - YouTube

Pugilistic Anonymus, for the record, we do not have a gun ban in Norway.

That makes the utterly dismal response of Law Enforcement on 22 July 2011 positively criminal on the part of your leadership then.

I'd hush if I were you... You're on a slippery wicket... :ouch:

Airborne Aircrew, don't know why I have to be hush about anything?
As for the response by Law Enforcement, an independent report was presented yesterday. Damning for Police and politicians, big issue in todays papers.
Per

Ancient Mariner

It certainly was damming.

The Bomb that could have been prevented as they had already identified
the danger of the street / parking and the lack luster response of getting
to the Island.

That Knob Creek viedo is good. Sustained Fire from a machine gun
is some of the best fun you can have with you pants on as long as
you aren't paying for the bullets.:O

Pugilistic Anonymus, for the record, we do not have a gun ban in Norway.

Per


It seems I may have jumped to conclusions while making assumptions about a country in which I don't live culture based upon my predjudice...that can never be on pprune...:ooh:

;):}

I do think it confusing that a gas operated semi automatic pistol was, back in the day, referred to as "an auotmatic."

This confusion is what media idiots use in order to refer to a semi-auto to an automatic, however, there are ways to get a real automatic weapon.

But it's a bugger.

My son went to Texas A & M for two years. Lived in an apartment. He didn't worry about crap like this. He worried about the three times that he, on his bicycle, was nearly hit by cars.

Next time someone starts bleating about firearms.....................they need to read this .;)


Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is

700,000.


(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians


per year are


120,000.


(C) Accidental deaths per physician

is


0.171


Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of

Health and Human Services.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Now think about this:


Guns


(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.


is


80,000,000.


(Yes, that's 80 million)


(B) The number of accidental gun deaths


per year, all age groups,


is


1,500.


(C) The number of accidental deaths


per gun owner


is


.0000188


Statistics courtesy of the FBI


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


So statistically, doctors are approximately


9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Remember, Guns don't kill people, doctors do!!!


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,


BUT


Almost everyone has at least one doctor.

This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor than as by a gun owner!!!

Now if you have more than one doctor,

You're just sh!! out of luck!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Please alert your friends


to this


alarming threat.


We must ban doctors


before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large,


I withheld the statistics on

Lawyers


For fear the shock would cause


people to panic and seek medical attention!

TZ350
It does make interesting reading, but the anti's dont believe it.

Re guns in the US, estimated to be 270 million with some estimates
at up to 320 million individual firearms.
.

Re guns in the US, estimated to be 270 million with some estimates
at up to 320 million individual firearms.


That's about one gun each citizen, sounds pretty fair to me. :p

I think the rate they normally work on is between 0.82 and 0.88
firearms per person.

I'm waiting for the Limeys to do a comparison between firearm deaths and....

NHS causes 40,000 deaths a year | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13487/NHS-causes-40-000-deaths-year.html)

:eek: :eek:

TZ, you omitted the stat for how many deliberate killings are perpetrated by doctors in the US. Inconvenient truth?

A. Limey

PS Your country, your toys. Go for it.

PS Your country, your toys. Go for it.

Your country, your medical system, you go for it. :rolleyes:

You have the choice. Unless we are wealthy we are forced to suffer the NHS, as the government takes the money we could use on insurance to pay for it.

It always amuses me how people who advocate gun use have endless statistics on how many OTHER things kill people. Are they issued by the NRA or something?

14,000 people every year choke to death on french fries, BAN THE POTATO!!!

Just yesterday I wuz in my fav gun shop.....5,000 of the things in stock....of all kinds, shapes, sizes, and makes. The place was jam packed with Folks looking to buy....including me.

What a concept! Free to choose....own or not own....buy or not buy....oh sorry that is the Conservative mindset.

A Liberal would say....I abhor guns therefore we should ban them....as no one should have one for any reason.

The Liberal just cannot handle being able to have a choice....they want decisions made for them.

And the people who are accidentally killed? What choice did they have?

More of a choice and life than the people who fought and died
to allow us to have that choice.
.

How many people are accidentally killed with a firearm?

I thought the harangue would be all about those Thousands that were intentionally killed by a firearm.....errrrrr person using a firearm.

Wait a minute....are we arguing about people or guns here? I have a small room full of the things and honest....they have never gotten into any trouble all by themselves....not once.

Now I did sort of assist one in doing that one night in Texas as it accidentally shot a Stop Sign (with a Texas State Trooper parked beneath it....but that is a story for another time and place....). I consider that as being what is known as a "Youthful Indiscretion".

About the same as those hit by a car while crossing the road or being blown up by a terrorist bomb or (insert cause of demise or injury here), I should think.

PERTHSAINT...

Which those killed by doctors or by bullets?

HTC

And the people murdered by criminals in US cities with unconstitutional bans on bearing arms? What choice did they have?

Note that the most violent cities in the USA, with highest murder rates, tend to have strictest gun laws. Accepting the wording of the Second Amendment, and the clear meaning of the word "bear", many of these laws are clearly unconstitutional.

The people killed in mass shootings in areas with gun bans such as university campus and a cinema. What choice did they have?

Note that the most violent cities in the USA, with highest murder rates, tend to have strictest gun laws ....

after the bad guys had already armed themselves to the teeth

They also have prior strict laws against murder as well

Indeed. Anyone who is going to murder is already willing to commit one of the worst crimes possible. Gun laws are hardly going to prevent them, either morally or by disincentive of the sanctions attached. On the other hand it will prevent people who do have something to lose, and do have morals from buying weapons with which to defend themselves.after the bad guys had already armed themselves to the teeth
Well actually before most of them were born. However that is a very good argument against gun control, especially in the USA and other countries with liberal gun laws.

[quote] charliegolf
TZ, you omitted the stat for how many deliberate killings are perpetrated by doctors in the US. Inconvenient truth?

A. Limey

PS Your country, your toys. Go for it.


I'm a Limey, your move......;) I still have an open mind :ok:

And the people who are accidentally killed? What choice did they have?

No more choice than the ones killed accidentally by a surgeon, nurse or the wrong medicine.

As the wise Tony Draper once said, it doesn't matter if you are killed by a thermonuclear weapon or a .22 bullet, dead is dead.

I this instance I guess it would be killed by a doctor, nurse or incorrect medicine or a bullet, dead is dead.