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5th Aug 2012, 14:28
Am currently studying for the ATPL Air Law exam, and was wondering if I could get some advice/ tips from those of you who have passed (post- Tagging era)?
One thing that's bugging me is my inability to remember exactly where to find some references, particulary in the CAO/ CAR's (which don't have any real Index to refer to- WTF CASA???). Stuff in the AIP is not usually a problem as it has a decent Index.
What sort of methods have you all been using to remember where to find references in those Documents? I started studying for this 2 days ago and for the life of me can't quickly put my hand on some references that keep popping up in practice Exams.
Having said that, I can quickly learn to recognise the correct answer to any given question in the practice exams through repetition, but I'm feeling that this will not be enough to get through.
Speaking of practice Exams, I've purchased both the AFT and Rob Avery ones. Based on previous experience, will these be enough to get me through?
Finally, I've heard stories of guys making up their own Indexes and formatting so that they're similar to the Documents. Is that actually allowed??
Thanks for you insights,
5th Aug 2012, 21:14
Yep, did it, passed it, post 'no tagging' rule. I used AFT notes, which contained a heap of practice exams. If you do the exams, you will learn pretty quickly where everything is and what topics the questions are likely to be on.
Didn't make my own index as its not allowed.
Just do as many practice questions as you can, to learn the location of info in the regs and you'll be fine.
5th Aug 2012, 21:38
I found that I didn't need to know EXACTLY what the reference was or where the info was. As long as I knew it was 20.something or ENR whatever, I had enough time to go to the contents page or flick through the headings.
5th Aug 2012, 22:27
No tagging... But I did only include those sections which are examinable, and I used coloured A4 paper to divide the sections. No problems getting a high mark with Rob Avery.
6th Aug 2012, 02:41
particulary in the CAO/ CAR's (which don't have any real Index to refer to- WTF CASA???).actually the CAR's do have fairly decent index pages which for the ATPL law exam split it essentially into 3 sections.
CAO's also have a pretty good index at the start of each order, I don't get why people complain about it..You will know the location of every order you need when you are ready to sit the exam.
My method with the CAR's was to go through and highlight each of the 3 sections using 1 particular colour only for that section. I went through highlighting all the references the AFT notes confirm can be in the exam. 3 different coloured sections I found made it easier to remember generally where a particular topic was by the colour.
Then go and do every practice exam you can get your hands on. Highlight any new references you find for specific questions. There is no substitute for trawling all the docs back to front doing practice exams when it comes to learning where everything is.
I found it a pretty straight forward exam and you will have no issues passing it well if you put the effort in beforehand.
17th Jan 2013, 05:43
Hey guys, just about to sit Air law... I read someone on here say that it's a good idea to remove any sections relating to balloons, airships, gyro copters ect to make searching in the exam easier.
Just wondering if the same goes for helicopter stuff? I understand that it's a common subject between the A and H so would expect some RW specific content in the exam?
Can I bin the RW regs along with the gyro and airship stuff for the ATPL air law?
17th Jan 2013, 11:38
you probably dont have to worry too much about removing stuff - it wouldn't surprise me if a person removed the gyrocopter sections, and then mystically casa throws a gyrocopter question at you lol (based on the way things have been going lately with ASL exams...) :ugh:
All i did was simply use a highlighter to highlight the edges of the paper.
Dark Green = IFR
Orange = Operational (eg: fuel dumping, seatbelts, height over populated area etc)
Pink = Tour & Duty times
Worked pretty well ;) :ok:
24th Jan 2013, 23:04
secret to the exam is only taking in the sections required for the CAO and CAR
it thins down your documents, so when you forget a reference its a few min job of flicking through rather than a 15min job. Saves heaps of time in the exam and have gotten both myself and friends through >90%
CAO sections required:
40.2.1 (to page 18 only)
CAO should end up being under 1inch thick (double sided)
CAR sections required:
Well i cant find them, sorry but your on your own for this one!!! just any practice question that refers to the CAR, take the section out, build your own.
mine ended up being about 5mm thick (double sided)
Best of luck all, hopefully i could help :ok:
25th Jan 2013, 09:02
That's the info I was after. :ok::ok:
25th Jan 2013, 09:30
No worries. If I find CAR sections required I will post
Best of luck
25th Jan 2013, 15:00
I completed Air Law just after the no-tag rule was introduced. When I started studying, I thought this would ruin me.
I soon discovered that tags were near-useless... This exam is about, and only about, identifying which piece of law relates to the question, and then referencing that page or pages. After 48 hours of study, it was almost second nature to flip to the correct section of the correct document, without a master index or tags.
Let me know if you want to know how I studied this subject... I truly believe you can ace the exam after 2-3 days of study, without a single tag (I used none).
22nd Feb 2013, 08:22
I am sitting my ATPL law exam next week. Is anybody able to tell me the number of questions in the exam. I also have some practice exam books for the ATPL if anyone in the Perth area is interested.
22nd Feb 2013, 09:07
Is anybody able to tell me the number of questions in the exam
Does it matter?
22nd Feb 2013, 10:12
I would like to know how many questions are in the exam versus the 90 minutes available.
22nd Feb 2013, 10:44
The same amount as in the AFT practise exams.
22nd Feb 2013, 23:55
If someone has the CAR sections required for ATPL airlaw and could post them that would be great.
Nose wheel first
23rd Feb 2013, 06:31
It's been a little while since I sat Law but you'll most likely get a few questions relating to Maintenance - CAR 42
27th Feb 2013, 04:18
For those interested, there are 30 question in the ATPL Air Law exam and 90 minutes available.
27th Feb 2013, 10:33
Iíve got the ATPL Airlaw booked for next week. I only have 4 AFT revision test V7.0. is it worth buying any more or/are there any current exams from AFT thatís worth while investing in. Any advice regarding study tips, methods, strategies used etc?? I head back o/s next weekend so I only have 1 go at this exam untill next year again. Any advice would be kindly appreciated.
Safe flying to all
28th Feb 2013, 10:59
I sat the exam today and passed, got four wrong. Has anyone else had problems with the marking? I'm 90+% sure I got three out of those four right and it was marked wrong or they had super tricky working I didn't pick up on(I finshed the exam in about 45mins and spent the other 45mins looking for any tricky wording I may have missed)
fatih, I used a combination of pprune(thanks to the people who posted the index and the guide to ditching half the CAO's above), Rob Avery's online course(I didn't like the course but his email help and the 150 practice exam questions were worth the $$) and the 4 AFT practice cyberexams. There was only one question in my exam I wasn't 100% ready for after that.
Congrats with the pass :ok: and thank you for the heads up