Quite a lot of you, it seems!

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf

I think it was all a conspiracy. There were NO moon landings.
It was all staged at area 57 in Nevada. Or New Mexico. Wherever that secret government location is.

http://www.moonbattery.com/Moonbat.jpg

Of course they were faked. Otherwise the dragon would have turned them into soup and the "astronauts" would never have returned to Earth.




(That'll cunfooze the Cousins, and a hell of a lot of other people too :E )

I have even one better than that, hellsbrink.

Many moons ago I had a girlfriend who was from Poland. We were discussing the moon landings and space exploration in general. She told me that she thought the moon landings were fake/staged. When I asked her why she thought that she replied: (And this is no shit.)

"Because they would have exhausted all the fuel getting to the moon so how would they get back?"

Ahhh. Hmmmm. Yes dear, you do have a point. I guess. I suppose. You wouldn't happen to be a moonbat would you dear?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/beetle_bucket/moonbat.jpg?t=1179881243

Am hunting for another one, used for a commercial in the UK, where there was a UK power socket in the wall behind the astronaut in the famous picture.....

Well this is a new low for the AGW alarmist and their religion.

If you doubt the voo-doo science of computer projection and completely ignore the climate history of the earth. You are a moon landing conspirator.

You see the problem is, you cannot tax the truth.

Nice try, doomed to fail from the start however. :p

how dare you con. My cat and I think the moon landings were fake. And we're both AGW alarmists too. Proof is in the picture:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY0x_UOUqaF9vg5e68ZHlcbLIcY0DT0catxXX74t5g-_UPbPFfwTRw95SV

And here's the Fam. Expanding our horizons in front of the boob tube:

http://bigrab.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/tin-foil-hat.jpg

Hellsbrink, they would have probrally been caught by the clangers, and thats painful.

And then there's our next door neighbor. Strange kinda guy.
He thinks the moon landings were fake too.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6anrUHdABVVGoVoJKw_oPXmtsIEjf2rg2_v7uxtP0TrHo8K2Ujdnnegvi

http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/moon/moon-landing-hoax.jpg

Who believes the moon landings were faked?

400,000 people made the landings possible, of whom 32,000 were women. I don't know one married woman who can keep her feckin gob shut for 5 mins, let alone thousands! So it's not a fake!

CG

This the one you're after?

http://www.astronomyforbeginners.com/images/landing.jpg

:rolleyes:
fake moon landing - YouTube

Visited the Cape where they had a 'moonscape' set up with a lunar lander. Even walking through with all the other grockles it wasn't difficult to imagine the eeriness of being there and the desolation of the moon..

I do believe Armstrong was the first man on the moon but it's easy to understand how it could have been filmed in a studio.

Yer once,but not six times.:=

I do believe Armstrong was the first man on the moon but it's easy to understand how it could have been filmed in a studio.

Well, anything is possible, but the brutal fact of the matter is, the US Government is incapable of pulling off a fraud of that magnitude.

Same with 9/11, we're just not that good.

I know, I worked for the US Government for ten years.

This the one you're after?

Similar, but not "the one". Am sure it was for some quick photo chain in the UK, and it was far more subtle than that one.

One would still be looking but I'mm too busy going "WTF" at the opening ceremony

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY0x_UOUqaF9vg5e68ZHlcbLIcY0DT0catxXX74t5g-_UPbPFfwTRw95SV

RGB1, This is our shadow Chancellor, one Ed Balls, where do I claim my reward?

I believe the moon landings were real but AGW is a fake, does that make me a schizophrenic?

Depends. Which one of you are we talking about? :p

Once saw a sticker which read;

UFOs are real. The Air Force doesn't exist.

May have been referring to the Kiwi air force after Comrade Helen had her way with it.:confused:

of course they did not land at moon.
;)

...and Elvis is alive.

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It's still available




Pinky I think I promised you a CD many years ago. Apologies unfortunately the hard drive i had loads of music on went TU. I'm still trying to rebuild a lot of my collection.

I liked Neil Armstrongs reply to a question posed to him by an interviewer asking about how he felt about the conspiracy theorists who say he never went to the moon. His reply, "Well I know we're going to go back someday and somebody is going to pick up the camera I left there." (or something very similar)

Not to mention all the lunar landing stages and other equipment left behind.

EDIT. Watch the 4 part interview at the following link. Start of part 4 is where he says that he hopes they pick his camera.

CPA Australia presents An Audience with Neil Armstrong (http://thebottomline.cpaaustralia.com.au/)

I wonder who left the laser reflector pads on the Moon that science has been using since 1969?

How come not one of the 100,000 NASA employees has ever 'spilled the beans' about where the landings were photographed on Earth?

How did they get the dust kicked up off the boots/wheels to behave as if in zero gravity?

No brainer really. Occam's Razor and red blooded pilot/astronauts says they went.

Alternative Conspiracy Theory views are utter Bollox.

Onward and upward.

Given modern technology, is there any need now for manned space exploration?

What percentage of the payload on a spacecraft is required to keep the talking chimps alive?

At the time the moon landings took place, my employer was working hand-in-hand with NASA and I came into contact with not only NASA staff but also contractors who had no reason to keep their mouths shut about it being faked. We are talking thousands of people who would have heard about it if it had been. But neither then nor since have any of the people I knew then and now disclosed such a thing.

I also had some contact with their counterparts in the USSR who tracked the journies to the moon and back and who monitered voice comms with American astronauts. Believe me, if they ever had a suspicion the moon landings were faked - and they would have known - they would not have kept silent.

My previous European employer also has recent photographic evidence of the descent modules still parked on the moon's surface.

So were the moon landings faked ? You'd have to be an idiot to believe they were.

Here are some piccies taken by the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter of the discarded bits from various Apollo missions on the surface of the moon.

NASA - Apollo Landing Sites Revisited (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/revisited/)

So were the moon landings faked ? You'd have to be an idiot to believe they were.


Well put Sir.

I was amused to note that somebody that used to post here on JB and who claimed to have flown helicopters on behalf of good queen Bess also believed that the moon landings were faked. I mean, really, what is more improbable, a helicopter actually flying or the moon landings?

One fact that this chap adduced as clear evidence of the lunar fakery was the fact that the lunar module was not aerodynamically sound. When it had to be pointed out to this rotor bladed genius that the module was designed to operate in the near vacuum of space I was convinced of the latter part of your sound comment above.

Caco

I was never a sceptic of the Lunar landings until I went to the Boeing Museum in Seattle where they have a mock up of the lander.

They were either very brave or very stupid to go anywhere in that thing. :suspect:

Neil Armstrong might agree with you Turin.

LUNAR LANDER REHEARSAL ACCIDENT - YouTube

Caco

The real question is, why would they be faked?

Of course, it was a huge achievement for humanity, but in another way, not a huge achievement at all. It's not difficult to get there, just have to find somebody willing to put up the £££/$$$s!

Seemple physics!

Am I confusing myself? I thought the nick name, 'Flying Bedstead' was first applied to a British project researching VTOL?

The real question is, why would they be faked?

At the time of the 'space race' the propaganda machines were in full force, the differing ideologies vying by fair means or foul to be the best way to live. The astronomical ;) amounts of money invested by the USA through NASA put humans on the surface of the moon, of that there is little doubt, but as the proposition of landing living persons on that surface was fraught with unknowns and danger it could have so easily gone wrong (and came close to happening regarding fuel starvation issues). Had that happened the loss would have been too immeasurable to contemplate in the short and medium terms.

It would have been more than prudent to have 'inset' shots (photo and film) to fill in the gaps should there be interruptions of any kind to keep the message on course and these would have been made in a studio on earth. A modern day equivalent would be the award winning BBC nature programmes that 'cheat' certain shots within a wonderful sequence to show something in a better light than would be possible in the real conditions. Yes, certain anomalies have surfaced spotted by eagle-eyed observers, but I'd lay this down to production errors made by the NASA audio-visual department rather than the CIA arse-covering.



SHJ

Just an aside...

Some time back I am led to believe that a motion-picture was produced, to great acclaim, called "Apollo 13".

My nephew enthused greatly about this and insisted that I should go & see it.

I declined, on the basis that, having spent several days & nights glued to the radio & television whilst it was actually happening .....

parabellum, my thought as well. The 'flying bedstead' was definately used in connection with British VTOL research. Them over there nicked it.

edit: SHJ - interesting take on things, never looked at it like that.

They were either very brave or very stupid to go anywhere in that thing.

I have a not-for-release-to-the-public DVD taken of life aboard the ISS. If you think the Apollo module looked ramshackle.......

There is an adventure/scifi film, Armageddon, (it feautures the succulent Liv Tyler...sigh...where was I ?) oh yes, in that film two STS's dock with the ISS which is in a ruinous state and staffed by one Russian cosmonaut. The reality of the ISS isn't far off the fictional version.

Flying bedstead - the orginal British version was better engineered with the engine placed HORIZONTALLY with ducted exhaust. Which of course led to the Harrier..eventually.

Wasn't it Apollo 12 where they managed to burn out the TV camera when deploying it ergo no live TV from the Moon?
:uhoh:

If they had faked the moon landings, surely they'd have faked something else worthwhile to do with manned space-flight in the half-century since.

There were two 'flying bedstead' type vertical flight test vehicles.

One was the British design which used two horizontally-mounted, vectored-thrust engines (later redesigned with vertically-mounted engine). This test vehicle was used for vertical flight research and led of course to the Harrier.

The other was the American design which used one vertically mounted engine. This was unique because the engine was 'gimbaled' to always align vertically, regardless of vehicle attitude. The vehicle was purpose-built for lunar lander design purposes and led to the LEM.

Two different horses for different courses.

I'm 'on the fence' with the first landing 69 I still can't comprehend that just twenty four years after the end of WWII could they have developed the technology such a space suits to walk on the moon, life support equipment fitted to the suits, life support air scrubbing equipment on the moon orbiter, the development of cameras and film to withstand the -xx temperatures on the moon surface. Surely the first testing and feasibility studies must have started around 1960

Not forgetting the size of the early computers of the day (card reading before tape input) I know it has been said that a washing machine (to date) has more computing power than was used on the first landing. So I presume on the first landing, solid state technology had been invented? From who?

I can maybe understand (from the above) that later landings (mid 70s) could probably have been conceivable due to technology advancements.

Daz

Solid state, semi-conductors, silicon transistors had been around long before the 1969 moon landing.

Read up a bit on Texas Instruments.

Matari, thanks for the info, but that only answers a 1/4 of my original post.

Daz

I believe the moon landings happened and have a great interest in Space.

One of my former college lecturers however, believes that "The chances of landing on the moon in the spacecraft used, are about the same a throwing a dart at a piece of paper that is facing you thin-side on"

Those were his words...

Not all the transmitters used in the moon landing were solid state. RF power was still being done with thermionic valves, especially at 2 GHz. The Marconi built station on St Helena used for communicating with the satellite network that supported the moon landings used 20kW klystrons.

Quite a lot of the stuff in the Mercury missions was valved.

They didn't fake Apollo 13, either.

Dazdaz, read up on USS Nautilus for such matters as air scrubbing and extended living in enclosed confined vehicles then check out Joseph Kittinger for pressure suits at the edge of space. Combine that with ICBM technology and the low temperature cameras and film used in high altitude reconnaissance and you'll find your 1959 starting point.

If we faked the moon landing, which we did not, then who left the Apollo equipment junk on the moon that the Japanese photographed in great detail?

Bottom line, as I stated over and over again, is that the US Government is just not good enough to pull off a fraud of that magnitude. Let alone six of them.

China, perhaps, but I don't even believe that the Soviet Union at the time could have faked a moon landing and kept it a secret.

Not forgetting the size of the early computers of the day (card reading before tape input) I know it has been said that a washing machine (to date) has more computing power than was used on the first landing. So I presume on the first landing, solid state technology had been invented? From who?

The APG (Guidance for the LM) Was the work of MIT and IBM when NASA said they needed a small computer and cost was of no object.

The Contraption(computer) still weighed in at over 70lbs was 2 ft long used about 70+ watts of energy. Weight, size, and energy use were major concerns.
It used Ferrite Rope for memory, used over 5,000 integrated circuits (the best technology available at the time) Had only 36K of ROM and 2K of RAM of which most all the 2K was used for new data entering as in landing.

NASA as a whole not just for the Lunar Module had a corner of over 50% of all the Integrated circuits being manufactured at the time.

There was a second computer onboard the Lunar Module similar to the first but was programed for the abort if landing was aborted. Due to the limited abilities of the units you had to have one computer for landing and one for abort.


VFD

con-pilot, I'm not saying ALL the moon landings were faked just the first one, possibly due to the Russian/American space race. The US was 'pushing the game limit' with Gemini 65-66 missions. There again as I stated in my op I'm on the fence. I shall post other thoughts on this matter in the near future.

Daz

daz....I realize this has been said many times by Con-Pilot, but bears repeating. If you could just step back and really think about this:

There is NO WAY our gov't could pull off a hoax this size, with the amount of people required and everyone keeps the secret. Decades later, someone would talk.

Impossible.

I had a team of engineers working for me at the largest satellite transmission station in the UK, the largest dishes are best described as huge. I asked what transmit power was required to drive the entire comms datastream from one dish to a geostationary satellite overhead the Indian Ocean. The answer still fascinates me, a mere 100 watts.

Dazdaz1, you don't need to worry about the moon landings as you are already on another planet!

daz, it makes no sense to fake the first one. My wife's cousin was the Commander on Apollo 10. He damn near made the first moon landing, by accident. :p

Fact was, he could have easily been the first to land on the moon, as Apollo 10 was a full dress rehearsal for Apollo 11.

Later I told him that NASA had provided a checklist to him for a reason. By then he could laugh it off. But he did say that when the landing module headed for the moon instead of orbiter, it scared the crap out of him at first.

"How did they get the dust kicked up off the boots/wheels to behave as if in zero gravity? "

Because it wasn't zero gravity, it was zero atmosphere.....

Course the moon landings were fake. It was all done on Devon Island. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/25/canadas-great-red-north-martian-colony-established-on-nunavuts-devon-island/) The dog in the photo is the dead give away. ;)

If they had really gone there, they would have brought back some cheese.

Clearly faked, as depicted in this Documentary.

Capricorn One (1977) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/)

Strangely enough, it was after that movie was released, was when this 'didn't land on the moon but faked it' crap started.

That was a lie then and still is today, but idiots still believe that the moon landings were faked, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Guess you really cannot cure stupid. :p

Clearly faked, as depicted in this Documentary

Another version of that story has been filmed:

The Magic Christian (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Christian_(film))

Yup, seen that movie a couple of times. Very funny in spots. Now, just what it has to do with faking the Moon landings or Capricorn One. I'm having a hard time connecting. Other than the highly improbably idea of fooling people that they are in a wharehouse and not on a huge oceanliner, is some way related to the Apolo missions.

Talk about grasping for straws...

There is NO WAY our gov't could pull off a hoax this size, with the amount of people required and everyone keeps the secret. Decades later, someone would talk.

Impossible. Why does this routinely get ignored? I have argued this repeatedly. It's the single most logical position of all time. Any old luddite can argue vaguely that the technology seemed to happen awful fast or that the computers weren't Windows 7 in 1960 but always ignore the basic premise of human nature that if the whole shabang was a fake, someone at some stage in the past 40 odd years would have let it out.

Or there would have been an enormous increase in the murder rate amongst engineers (wishful thinking here & there). So come on Daddaz, answer me this:

How did NASA conceal this forever when we know that John F. Kennedy had affair after affair, Nixon lied & Reagan slept most of the day? And yet north of 400,000 worked on Apollo & you contend that not one let the shameful secret out?

Seems hard to believe to me.

Worked for RCA Defence Electronic Products - Aviation Division 1968-1970. Apparently much of the Apollo electronics was RCA aviation kit repackaged. No point in re-inventing the wheel.

Late 1969, spoke at length with an engineer who had just returned from RCA DEP headoffice at West Olympic Boulevard LA. He said that NASA had given them a debriefing session on how the kit had performed. There were a few iffy bits but by all accounts they were pretty happy. Seriously can't see them going to that amount of trouble if the trip had been faked.

PS. in 1969, RCA DEP distributed envelopes with US moon landing stamps to employees. The stamps had been overstamped with a rubber stamp that had been taken to the moon. Gave mine to a young nephew twenty years back. Recently asked him what happened to it, and he had no idea.

PPS. Still got copies of Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine dated 16 June, 11 Aug, 18 Aug, 8 Dec and 15 Dec - 1969 And copy of UK's Science magazine special issue "Man on the Moon" dated May 1969. They all have both patina and provenance, as they say in the Antiques Roadshow. Probably the astronauts didn't go, but they did send up a photographer to take the background shots.

Anybody know if the mags are worth anything? They're in good condition.

It's a great source of amusement to see individuals produce "evidence" or expound theories as to why the moon landings were/must have been faked when the Soviet Union itself, the losers in the race to the moon who possessed every motivation as well as the experts and equipment to prove it didnt' happen, never was so ignorant as to go down that silly road. For people who profess to be asking the real, penetrating questions they build their wacko theories on, they seem to have forgotten asking themselves the most patently obvious one: why didn't they?

Instead, what today's conpiracists would have everyone simply believe is that the USSR, during the height of the cold war and Vietnam, ignored and let slip through their red, commie fingers the opportunity to try and score the biggest propoganda coup ever vs. the US by exposing (or at least propogandizing the suspicion) what was one of the most internationally observed-and-watched moments in the world's history as a fake, if it indeed had been.

Uh, sure. Conspiracy flakes decades later find "proof" of the world's largest, most-complicated and enduring coverup ever known to man, but legions of contemporary Soviet engineers and propogandists who would have dearly loved to, couldn't. Do these hobbyist engineers and "investigators" truly believe they are smarter by default because they own a PC or watched Capricorn One as a child than the men and women who had the brainpower to usher in the Jet and Atomic ages using slide rules and pencils?

As it was, the only attempted cover-up with regards to the moon landings was perpetrated by the Soviets. Having monitored the American landing(s) and lost the race, what the Soviets did in response instead was to produce propoganda claiming they weren't trying to develop a manned, lunar project anyway (later proven untrue, of course. They were). Unlike NASA, the Soviet program and projects were shrouded in secrecy until accomplishments were announced, and public denials of failures SOP.

Ah well, the further away time moves from the actual event, there will be more and more "Information Age" blog-believers who will suspect any achievement in history by accepting whatever goofball theory comes down the pike. It doesn't cost them anything, not even raised-eyebrows from real-life peers when there's an ever-expanding group of idiots to herd-up with in their mothers' basements via the internet. What's entertaining to me is finding out just how many pseudo-logical fallback positions they'll scurry to when facts flush them out and expose them as either having an agenda, being an incurable cynics, or (most likely) as insufferable narcissists who thinks only they have figured out "The Real story".

Personally I think that "moon conspiracists" should be given short shrift in the same way that legend Buzz Aldin did with Bart Sibrel.

Buzz Aldrin Punches Moon Landing Conspiracy Theorist In The Face (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/buzz-aldrin-punches-moon_n_241664.html)

Buzz Aldrin Punch - YouTube

Way to go Buzz.

Caco

Moonscape part 2 - Contact Light v1.0 (English) 720p on Vimeo

Apollo 11 landing hi-def.

Great clip Mr P thanks,:ok:had a lander simulator once, eventually managed to put it down without scragging meself but could never take off and RV with the Command and Service bit without cheating.
:rolleyes:

I would suggest to anyone that would like an insight into the Apollo Missions and what led to them, watch the mini-series "From The Earth To The Moon."

I have the DVD Collection and watch it periodically. They took some poetic license, but an all around splendid story.

From the Earth to the Moon (TV mini-series 1998) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120570/)

Of course it is always possible that the Landings were not faked, but the Take-Offs were.......

If you can fly you know these guys did it!

Caco

I would suggest to anyone that would like an insight into the Apollo Missions and what led to them, watch the mini-series "From The Earth To The Moon."

Also the DVD 'In the Shadow of the Moon' which has interviews with many of the Apollo astronauts and tells the whole story from the beginning to the end of the whole endeavour. Unusually the 'extras' on the DVD have about another hour of truly rivetting stuff.

I have watched it several times and am still in awe of what was achieved.

Having watched the film, Applo 13, I bought the paper back of the same name but got myself a bit confused as to which part of the combination was doing what etc. I then got the hard back book, callled 'Lost Moon' and found the various pictures and diagrams most helpful.

There is an adventure/scifi film, Armageddon, (it feautures the succulent Liv Tyler...sigh...where was I ?) oh yes, in that film two STS's dock with the ISS which is in a ruinous state and staffed by one Russian cosmonaut. The reality of the ISS isn't far off the fictional version.


The only film I actually asked for my money back. Awful.

It was Mir they docked with anyway, not the ISS.

Moon landing are fakes,
nazi have never existed,
operation paper clip never took place,
Werner Von Braun (head of Marshall Space Flight center, former SS nazi) has never built Saturn V, without which no Moon Landinds, which are fakes...


Iron Sky, the movie, is a nice lapsus linguae on that matter.

Subsequent to these, erm, "moon landings", have McDonalds, BK, KFC, Coke et al ever established outlets on the moon ?

To the best of my knowledge, no they have not, which proves conclusively the landings were a fake......:8

K+C you missed out Starbucks!

I believe there is a reluctance in this generation to believe what their fathers and grandfather did is due to the the fact that they have achieved absolutely buggah all themselves.
:E

dazdaz - the engineering progression that got Nasa to the moon and back has been clearly documented. The problems they needed to solve were myriad and insanely complex but throw enough money and engineers at a problem and it WILL be solved.

As for the apollo guidance computer, integrated circuits did exist [thanks to various missile programmes] but were insanely expensive at the time. It borrowed heavily from the Polaris guidance systems which were highly advanced for their time.

A modern computer requires an insane amount of processing to run the GUI plus all the frills. Take that out and scale back to the apollo requirements and you find you really don't need a lot of memory/cpu especially if you don't have the clever tools programmers use now that speed things up but can hoover up memory.

Nasa used a conservative approach but cleverly validated multiple systems on one mission - to some extent they were lucky one the Saturn V's started launching but remember the cost of the haste to get it done by the end of the decade was 3 dead men.

I accept the lunar landings as being factual and correct. However this is not the real issue here.

What really matters is whether, after the first one, Mrs Gorsky was sufficiently convinced.

I think we should be told.

FullOpposite.....I agree 100%, does anyone have Mrs Gorsky's number so we can ask her?:E

but throw enough money and engineers at a problem and it WILL be solved.

Except for cold nuclear fusion of course....:hmm:

" K+C you missed out Starbucks!"

No I didn't..wait until they land on Mars ( which will also be faked ) and then you'll see just what those Mars rovers were really up to !:uhoh:

Moon landings were not fake, but gosh it was a long time ago.

We are getting close to half a century.

So much for the space travel promised.

Landing on Mars? Many countries are able, let's see the one who is going to waste the money first.
There is nothing man can do on Mars a robot cannot.

Europe and the US already went to Mars I believe, willing to be corrected.

Sending some spacecraft in all the solar system and in the Galaxy to study it is so much cheaper and so much more efficient/interesting.

Technology aside, I think we have enough problems managing our own planet, far less another..

There is nothing man can do on Mars a robot cannot.

Empty his bladder ?

Marking his territory, perhaps Mr OFSO?:}

dazdaz,

If you have some spare money hanging around you might want to invest in a rather powerful telescope. There are many available.

Once you get that powerful telescope I suggest training it on a full moon.

If the telescope you purchase is powerful enough, you might take note of a flag "flying" on the moon. It has 50 stars and 13 stripes. It was planted there during the first moon landing. By astronauts.

Or do you believe it was delivered there by FedEx?

Once you get that powerful telescope I suggest training it on a full moon.

Not such a good idea. You will not see any shadows on the moon when it is full.

My own opinion is that the growing tendency to believe the moon landings were fake stems from the reality that so much is faked these days. Reality TV? Not real at all and Youtube is filled with faked footage. Then there's the internet. Which gives an outlet to every kook and nutcase in the world.

It's not just the moon landings. There's a website for every historic and current event which claims to give the 'true' story.

Recent examples being Libya and Syria and other Arab revolts which are characterised as 'false flag'.

Then there's 9/11:ugh:

So it's hardly surprising that so many people believe the moon landings were faked. They think everything is faked.

No one takes anything at face value anymore.

No one takes anything at face value anymore.

No, we have to Google it first before it becomes real and then confirm it on Wikipedia ;)

In days of yore the 'truth' was often witheld, changed, manipulated so as to make the face value not always that which the public might have believed. These days there's so much spin on everything that you could be forgiven for having a healthy scepticism :hmm:


SHJ

Mythbusters thoroughly busted the myth that the moon landings were fake by
simply using logic and the scientific method of separating fact from bullshit.
Advocates of fake moon landings are on the same idiot list as chemtrailers.

Advocates of fake moon landings are on the same idiot list as chemtrailers.

And they all seem to sign on as climate change denialists also.

"And they all seem to sign on as climate change denialists also."

Sadly for you Re-entry that is about as far from the truth as your pals who believed in Fool's Gold, Witches and Papal Indulgences.

I had a girl-friend many years ago that was really good at faking things.
I often wonder if she worked for NASA at some stage.

Spend 7.5 minutes looking at this...........

MOON LANDING FAKE HOAX EXPOSED 1969 !! VAN ALLEN BELTS !! AREA 51 FILMED - YouTube

Daz

It's incumbent upon the individual, especially in this age of overwhelming amounts of information, theories, facts, fallacies, claims, positions, history - the gamut, really - available at our fingertips, to sort through the inputs and determine our beliefs after careful evaluation of the competitive sources of information.

Tragically, very few have been intellectually equipped for the enterprise, and will believe and espouse what they are told by sources they like.

If I may bring up my theory from earlier in the thread, it would fit the 'evidence' in the video. Basically put, they did land on the moon, but many (but not all) of the still and moving images were pre-shot to be available to cover for a myriad of technological and political reasons. Also, perhaps with less atmosphere to protect the equipment from the harsh solar rays it might have been nigh on impossible to get images good enough for the Billions of avid viewers back on earth and the decision was taken to amend this.


SHJ

Spend 7.5 minutes looking at this...........


MOON LANDING FAKE HOAX EXPOSED 1969 !! VAN ALLEN BELTS !! AREA 51 FILMED - YouTube


I did, it is 7.5 minutes of pure lies and misdirection.

If, you believe this video to contain the truth, please tell all of us here, just who or what left the rover tracks, foot print and the abandon equipment on the six landing sites on the moon?

I for one, is very curious as to what your answer will be.

People that refuse to believe in the obvious always seem ready to believe almost anything else, no matter how wacky.

If the Moon landings were faked, it was the best kept secret ever. They never address how thousands and thousands of people who were 'in the know' kept quiet - particularly over such a long period of time.

DeeCee,
"If the Moon landings were faked, it was the best kept secret ever". May I suggest the atom bomb, hundreds maybe thousands worked on that project WWII All kept hush hush from 1943 onwards until the big bang.

Daz

Con Pilot...".If, you believe this video to contain the truth, please tell all of us here, just who or what left the rover tracks, foot print and the abandon equipment on the six landing sites on the moon?" Do you have any links to prove this?

Daz

DeeCee, For one example may I suggest the atom bomb, hundreds maybe thousands worked on that project WWII All kept hush hush from 1943 onwards until the big bang.

Sorry Daz, that just isn't true. You should look up Klaus Fuchs, David Greenglass, The Rosenbergs, Harry Gold., George Koval.

The Manhattan project was heavily spied upon & certainly the Soviets not only knew about it, but were trying to penetrate it from 1943 on.


So I ask you again: 400,000 people worked on Apollo, exactly what are the odds that not one in 50 years has ever revealed a hoax?

Also, the secrecy of the atomic bomb blew up when its WWII targets disappeared, and the 'fight to the death' Japanese surrendered.

Can't have been faked, met and listened to a very inspiring speech from Buzz when at School in the UK.
Even got a signed photo of him on the moon which is one of the few things I still have from then.

Yes, dazdaz, those working on the atomic bomb kept quiet until it went off. Whet else do you think they would have done, knowing that doing anything else would result in, at best, a lifetime in jail because it was a top secret project during a bloody WAR! So, since the Manhattan Project was clearly not faked, comparing the Manhattan Project to the Apollo Programme is like comparing apples and cheese. It's not even worthy of being called a strawman argument, it's lower than pathetic.

Now, it has been over 40 years since the moon landings. Since Clinton couldn't even keep Monica's mouth shut (bet he wishes she never got on her knees and opened it in the first case) how in hell's name would you keep every single person involved in the Apollo Programme quiet during all that time if it was faked? You wouldn't, you couldn't, people would talk. Yet the same drivel continuously gets trotted out as "fact" by those who should at least show some modicum of intelligence when confronted by the very proof on the moon itself called the flags, the footsteps, the tracks, the landers, the mirrors, etc.

You asked for links? Well, oldchina posted a VERY recent report which points out that the flags are there, the lunar rovers are there, the landers are there. You name it, there are VERY recent pictures that show they are there. Yet you still think that is "proof"?

Well, try the link below from 2011....

http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/09/06/moon_new_large.jpg

How long, d'ya think, before you can no longer say the only people who ever walked on the moon were Americans?

hellsbrink

I was going to mention those recent photos. Pretty clear evidence IMHO,
even with what can be done with photoshop.

Bandaide
Not long by the look of it, in reference to China's recent comments.
I reckon China will be on the moon within 4 years at most.

Do you have any links to prove this?



Daz, a serious question. Do you own a TV?

If you do, in just the last two years there have been very clear videos and still photos taken of all six of the landing on the moon. As hells just posted, a link to some of those photos has already been posted in this thread.

So go view it and then come back and tell us just exactly how those photos were faked and provide just one person that worked on the Apollo missions that claim that it was all faked and has proof of such..

That shouldn't be too hard, you've got about 400,000 people to pick from.

Sprogget...."So I ask you again: 400,000 people worked on Apollo". I ask you, where do you get these facts from?? Links links links please! Far to many people are banding a mass army of production staff (most non NASA) in the thousands.

Let us presume for instance, NASA approaches a company and requests 200 screws for the fixing of control panels in the moon lander. Great the company thinks, where helping NASA going to the moon. The next company is asked to design a so so thin cooking foil to protect the lander of the effects of the radiation, Maybe?:ugh:

The point is, all these companies are separated in to a 'need to know' boxed off non contact scenario/production of a non ongoing project.

Daz

The point is, all these companies are separated in to a 'need to know' boxed off non contact scenario/production of a non ongoing project.So many assumptions. I'm thinking you're really just in it to keep your fingertips warm in your earoles.
http://i46.tinypic.com/fl9efn.gif

I still await your reply ""So I ask you again: 400,000 people worked on Apollo"

Daz

I still await your reply

I'm still waiting for your reply, have you viewed the photos in the link that was provided to you?

according to this, the flags planted by the Apollo missions are still there and the shadows are visible

Apollo Landing Flags Still Upright On Moon (http://news.sky.com/story/966979/apollo-landing-flags-still-upright-on-moon)

And, dazdaz, I suppose you are also trying to say NASA and the US Government created a fake Apollo 1 disaster and 3 astronauts didn't actually perish in the capsule before they launched.

Or are you going to try and say that everything after that was faked, despite all the footage of every launch being broadcast around the world?


Oh, and it was hardly a "secret" project either. NASA were quite open about what they were doing. The whole damned world knew what they were doing. Hardly something that they would keep secret from suppliers when they told everyone else.

according to this, the flags planted by the Apollo missions are still there and the shadows are visible


Thank you Milo, I was just getting ready to post that link. :ok:


Here is another one.

Apollo moon landing flags still standing - Technology & science - Space - Space.com - NBCNews.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48362418/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/yes-apollo-moon-landing-flags-are-still-standing-photos-reveal/)

I have this psychological flaw where if someone's behaving like a nob jangler...

I can tell you that nearly half a million individuals were involved in a project that represents the pinnacle of human achievement by any reasonable measure over 11 years and you tell me that the reason I misunderatnd it is because the whole thing is set up like an IRA cell.

I feel the minutes ebbing away never to return whilst I entertain your absurd, opaque refutations. So far we have hmmm, the tech doesn't really add, up and the organisation was on a need to know basis to protect a hoax from, erm everyone really.


And this is all you have to offer?



I have to go now, there's an episode of Newsnight from last week I haven't watched yet if you know what I mean.

sprogget wrote:

So many assumptions. I'm thinking you're really just in it to keep your fingertips warm in your earoles.

Or, the fingertips warmed in some other holes, which is more appropriate.

I don't know, nor understand, why everyone feels a need to keep feeding an obvious troll. The moon landings, by the Apollo program, are a known scientific fact.

To those who wish to argue otherwise i say:

YOU'RE A MORON.

It's like Bob Dylan said, "Everybody must get stoned."

Don't forget that it wasn't just the American's that were involved.

You also had Australian's involved who were the first to receive
the pictures from the moon before transmitting them on.

Now, if someone was to fake it, why would they have not thought
of the fact that a foreign country in the Southern Hemisphere was needed
so that as "the famous images that stir up national pride for Americans
would not have existed."

Well Daz, the world is waiting.

500N wrote:

You also had Australian's involved who were the first to receive the pictures from the moon before transmitting them on.

Patently false. We all know that Australia doesn't really exist. It's a conspiracy inspired by some warped minds in Britain.

Thus.

There were no moon landings because it was filmed/staged somewhere in the desserts of SW U.S. without any help from that imagined country of Australia.

Beam me up Scotty. I've had enough.

Aaarrrrh, sorry, I didn't realize we were a figment of the world's imagination:O

:ok:

Aaarrrrh, sorry, I didn't realize we were a figment of the world's imagination

We don't mind, keeps thousands of economic migrants sailing round in circles instead of coming here......

con pilot, "Well Daz, the world is waiting." You shall have a reply in due course I promise. But not what you may expect.

Daz

PS. Mods, why does not my post count increase?

No such place as Australia. The proper name for it is West Island, NZ.

"Daz
PS. Mods, why does not my post count increase?"


Because they think it has been faked !

" No such place as Australia. The proper name for it is West Island, NZ."

That's only because they need it to make their economy look good:O

hellsbrink:

One cannot sail around in circles as well all know (those of us in the know of course) that the earth is flat. Which is yet another reason why no one landed on the moon: because even if they had there would have been no way of landing back on the flat earth.

Ahhhh. A mind is a terrible thing.

PS. Mods, why does not my post count increase?

Because, as everyone knows, posts in JB do not get counted in your post count.

If that sort of thing worries you, why not go to here (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f53/moon-landing-hoax-11948.html), I hear they give you free peanut butter and tinfoil when you join.


Oh, will you answer MY point regarding Apollo 1?

500N.......:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

One cannot sail around in circles as well all know (those of us in the know of course) that the earth is flat. Which is yet another reason why no one landed on the moon: because even if they had there would have been no way of landing back on the flat earth.

That is where you confused yourself. Just because the planet is flat, it does not preclude us going round in circles. Just ask anyone on a roundabout.

hellsbrink:

tin foil and peanut butter?

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ea1/9e4/0b6/resized/meme-meme-generator-i-don-t-always-wear-tin-foil-hats-but-when-i-do-i-smear-peanutbutter-allover-myself-e4f5be.jpg

Where did you get that picture of dazdaz?

hellsbrink:

I would never, ever insinuate that anyone is a tin foil hat wearer.
Never.

On the other hand:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVXLL-YIhGMJfC8vcxN7khsy-Q5fnBtp6Xwg9z8rrSMi8A4yXKozXZ1DVB

hellsbrink; I'll have you know Sir that the photo is not me, I use Grecian 2000 Having said that, the gentleman does look rather dapper.Seems the type to seduce ones nieces:E


Daz

Off to bed now with my cocoa, I like to make it before the nurse arrives, she was a ex model and at times lets me take a few snaps for a fee. I must remember to post them here.

" I like to make it before the nurse arrives"

To insert a tin-foil catheter perchance?

Well looks like Daz is completely stumped for an answer, as he has been proved completely wrong and refuses to admit such.


Besides that, a bit early to go to bed even in the UK is it not?

With or without cocoa. :p

at times lets me take a few snaps

And here's one of them........

http://quietfurybooks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Rubber-Room-California.jpg

I'd put money on the fact that these Chinese folks will be the next nation to put human feet on the moon but it is good to know that the American flag still flies proud on that distant and barren lump of rock...

China to attempt first moon landing - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9440125/China-to-attempt-first-moon-landing.html)

American Flags From Apollo Missions Still Standing - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/07/american-flags-from-apollo-missions-still-standing/)


Caco

If not the Chinese, it would be Japanese, but no bet with you on China, not even a beer bet. :ok:

I actually don't think the next moon landers will be American, and it's going to be a big deal when it happens.

What's your guess as to when it will be? My bet is another ten years (2022), at least. It's a big, big project.

I said 4 years. I might stretch that out to 5 - 6 years so by Dec 2018 and I think it will be China.

Definitely not American, they are not even in the race !


I wouldn't under estimate how quickly China can do things,
especially as they are following, not leading.

What's your guess as to when it will be? My bet is another ten years (2022), at least. It's a big, big project.


I agree but I wonder if the Chinese are going to try and short circuit that timeframe with the potential for a space disaster!

Caco

One advantage the Chinese have is a lack of fear of tossing a few lives into the cauldron of greater good. Still, I don't thing they'll get there befor '22.

If the Clintons, who are favorably disposed to selling secrets to the Chinese, are elected in '16, I might push it forward to 2020, another year of the Dragon, I think.

Militarily, though, it won't matter, as by then we'll have billions of drone locusts to unleash upon them should they get out of line.

We Lunatians of the moon planet hierarchy are fairly sure we never saw you here. Though our village idiot did report sighting a fat white blob wielding a golf club. We increased his dried frog tablets and he's been OK since......

dried frog tablets


Lunar frogs man... !. This forum becomes ever more like a Dali painting! ;)

Walking On The Moon - The Police. - YouTube


Caco

Wallace and Gromit got there as well

Wallace_and_Gromit-A_Grand_Day_Out(Xvid)(Darkside_RG).avi (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2838756075788433299)

Daz, the world is still waiting.

I said 4 years. I might stretch that out to 5 - 6 years so by Dec 2018 and I think it will be China.



Doubtful. There's no animals to eat or abuse. :hmm:



to quote Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh..

If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it.

Wow!
China going to the moon half a century after? HAHAHA!
It would be sooooo ridiculous, really.
First there is absolutely no need for humanity to waste this money, second this has already been done before (and the first time, involving the nazis had its share of shame and ridiculous already), no challenge.
Better to study the universe or search for life on the Uranus moons by sending some robots.

China going to the moon half a century after?

Well, as you live in China, tell them, not us. :p

kAG

Wow!
China going to the moon half a century after? HAHAHA!
It would be sooooo ridiculous, really.First there is absolutely no need for humanity to waste this money, second this has already been done before (and the first time, involving the nazis had its share of shame and ridiculous already), no challenge.Better to study the universe or search for life on the Uranus moons by sending some robots.


The notion of "humanity" as a cohesive group that would have a set of goals ranks right up there with Disney anthropomophizing animals. People (individuals who may or may not form a group) exist, but "humanity" as you've tried to use it here is a fantasy.

Huh, funny I don't feel any shame whatsoever about putting Nazi rocket scientists to better use. I must have no morals, or something. I do wonder about people who buy Chanel and L'oreal products, however. Shameful

Frankly, if they spend billions and decades on the "search for life" and wind-up producing a blob of frozen mold or sponge that wouldn't fill a petri dish, I'd rather tune-in to a Chinese moon landing. Way cooler.

Huh, funny I don't feel any shame whatsoever about putting Nazi rocket scientists to better use
That is quite a non relevant argument.
Nazis didn't need to be usefull, they needed to be condamned by the Nuremberg court concerning Wernher Von Braun.

That is quite a non relevant argument.

I wasn't making an argument. I said I felt no shame.


Nazis didn't need to be usefull, they needed to be condamned by the Nuremberg court concerning Wernher Von Braun.


At most he would have been tried in a denazification court and given a couple years for being a Fellow Traveler like Messerschmitt (who went back to running his company and more). Instead, Von Braun was publicly condemned and villified while he working under orders in the U.S., a spoils-of-war useful tool in the Cold War.

Also the DVD 'In the Shadow of the Moon' which has interviews with many of the Apollo astronauts and tells the whole story from the beginning to the end of the whole endeavour. Unusually the 'extras' on the DVD have about another hour of truly rivetting stuff.

Had Buzz on my airplane a while back, we chatted a few minutes in the cockpit while the rest of the peeps were piling on. Seemed a reasonable sort, not given to outbursts or drama of any kind; the cool-headed type you'd want for a mission like that.

Would have made a terrible actor.

Although he did give me a personally autographed copy of the above-mentioned DVD.

I think what's happening now is much more interesting, much more usefull, much less cheaper and much less arrogant.

Curiosity from Nasa is about to explore Mars, and funny enough no much people are aware, but a robot, the most advanced ever, is about to search for life on Mars.

I believe for humanity, philosophically, this is the most important event ever.

USA, Europe, Japan are getting ready to send robots in our solar system (it has already started), our galaxy to observe. Our eyes, our robots, will go everywhere around us for the first time, and it is happening this century, like a baby who starts to open his eyes and actually see a bit for the first time.

In our solar system the Uranus moons are promising, with volcanos alives, and water sea below ice... Putting a close eye around will teach us a lot for sure...

What we will discover is important to understand ourselves, and to deal with our future.

Yup fingers will be well crossed for Curiosity on monday morning,pretty unconventional engineering solution to getting it down though, hope to hell it works.
Far more knowledge has been gained from unmanned exploration of our solar system than sticking a couple of water filled skin bags in a capsule and devoting 90% of the energy budget of same just to keeping them alive,manned spaceflight is a bust,though one will allow the moon landing were the greatest engineering achievement of the last century,but lets face it, it was done more for political than scientific reasons.
:)

For anyone who thinks that the Moon landings were a hoax you could always go along and meet Charlie Duke in October. :ok:
That way you will get your chance to ask him yourself and personally judge his response.

Please see the thread in the Nostalgia section

Cheers

I'm NOT a disbeliever but will people please, please stop with the spurious
"400,000 people worked on the project and one of them would have spilled the beans" argument - it's utter tosh.

If they WERE going to fake it then at least less than one tenth of a percent of the 400,000 would ever know.

It happened.

I met the second guy to set foot on the moon. Inasmuch as I was gob-smacked to meet him, me just a regular line pilot, in the presence of someone who has secured his place in history, in the most astonishing way, he is just a regular guy, who happened to be in the right place, at the right time. A pilot's pilot, no other way to say it. **** this noise, light this candle, get on with it.

He said as much. In humility, and he has that in spades, going beyond what is possible, risking one's very skin for an elusive prize, as political as it was at the time, there is greatness, honor, courage, and ultimate sacrifice in what he agreed to do.

In choosing Buzz, NASA chose very wisely; the right stuff, without the shadow of a doubt..

Apart from the usual desire for USA bashing, is the perception of NASA, as a bureaucratic fustercluck, due to the Challenger disaster bringing to light its obsession with image and political accountability, perpetrating the faked landing fantasy ?

As opposed to earlier times when NASA was the domain of the best and brightest of the US aerospace engineering, run by engineers. Are they two different eras ?

bugg smasher,

You got it.:ok:

They went into the unknown, out there on the edge of technology, and staked their lives on trust in the technology.

After the public got used to space exploits back in the 70's, they were rock stars only to us. But they're still rock stars, particularly Buzz, who once or twice punched out a doubter.

Can't believe you cats are falling for this 'Curiosity' landing on Mars on Monday. Fool me once....? I'm looking forward to the best NASA CGI ever. Pound to a penny all you'll see is rocks CGI. If NASA had the testicles why did they not land this 'hypothetical' probe nearer to some of the Mars anomalies? You know what I'm talking about.

Daz

Still not going to provide us all with the "proof" that the moon landings never happened, daz? Trying to divert us away from that are you?


There's a shock..........

Can't believe you cats are falling for this 'Curiosity' landing on Mars on Monday.

Well, my Niece works at JPL and is on the Program. She says it's happening and I believe her. What I thought was cool was she and her Mother were at the launch at the Cape about 16 months ago and saw it leave.

But, believe what ya want. ;)

I still cannot understand how they got the films of "Voyager" back from the Delta Quadrant. I mean, if it was that far away, wouldn't they still be in transit ?

They waited until it was dark, then used a projector.

Delta Quadrant. I mean, if it was that far away, wouldn't they still be in transit ?

It's back, but it had to go through Atlanta first.

Hot news, just got a pirated version of the NASA Curiosity CGI from my mate at JPL
Clangers : The Intruder - YouTube
And here's hoping that Curiosity does as well as Spirit and Opportunity. :ok:
Did we land on the moon, of course we did! :p

so we've settled it.....man DID land on the moon...but then I read this about another planet:

The ancient Martian crater where the Curiosity rover landed looks strikingly similar to the Mojave Desert in California with a haze of dust and mountains in the background.....

..and I really had to wonder !

Don't know what you all banging on about. Been there - boring. Pea soup tonight.

I posted #163 this is a farce. b/w photos? I've been on the NASA site, no picture updates to date, apart from the photos posted a few days ago.

Q; Do you believe in God? If so, have you seen him? I rest my case.

Daz

Don't you know daz, god is a pussy.

Mike X. I take it you might be a member of another faith? Or some rampant member of a lesbian group?

Daz

I posted #163 this is a farce. b/w photos? I've been on the NASA site, no picture updates to date, apart from the photos posted a few days ago.

If you would stop thinking about the sheep so much, your eyesight might improve

Mike X. I take it you might be a member of another faith? Or some rampant member of a lesbian group?

Either way daz, have you seen God ? If not (sniggers), you have zero right asking the question (geddit?).

Either way daz, have you seen God ?

Dunno about Daz, but I have.


Every time I look in the mirror..............

.....is made of blue cheese (other than myself). Windies vid. proves it. Curiosity will find that Mars is made of Red Leicester. Sorted.

Hells has it pretty much nailed, with beer and choccies to boot. He must be on the money.

Just found a sandal...

"The ancient Martian crater where the Curiosity rover landed looks strikingly similar to the Mojave Desert in California with a haze of dust and mountains in the background....."


Parts of it also look like Woomera Rocket Range here in South Australia !

Isolated, US people already in location ..........................


Clangers - Jesus, haven't seen that for 30+ years !

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I posted #163 this is a farce. b/w photos? I've been on the NASA site, no picture updates to date, apart from the photos posted a few days ago.


Perhaps if you had your monitor/TV screen turned on, it would have helped. :rolleyes:

So now you not only claim that the moon landings were faked, that now this latest mission to Mars was faked as well then?

How about the Space Station, it fake as well?

Daz

You really are a conspiracy theorist of then worst kind
and you certainly don't help yourself as has been pointed
out by con-pilot above.


How about getting your head out of the sand (or your arse)
before posting ?



Con-pilot - between you and me, the Space Station is fake,
to save $$$$, a small rocket was sent up into space and when
there released a blow up version of the space station, just like
a blow up doll :O

All further crew link ups and changes were done
in a blackened studio in a mock up :ok:

I don't know 500, I'm beginning to think he's nothing more than a Troll and I've been tricked into feeding him.

I mean really, nobody can be that dumb and still continue to breath air. :p

I mean really, nobody can be that dumb and still continue to breath air.

It's a natural reflex of the body, even though the brain has stopped working.

Please do continue Dazdaz. It's interesting to watch someone self-destruct. :p

Oh, come on guys. Surely you've figured out that he's just extracting the urine by now.

I know I got pulled in............

Con

Agree.


Was your post in response to my PM or the post above yours ?
Looking at the time, my PM was sent just before you posted
so they might have crossed.


I am trying to find that great picture of the bloke with his head up his arse
that kind of sums up Daz so well.:O

hellsbrink

Yep, he got me as well. He destroyed my boyhood dreams.

The memory of sitting up watching the moon landings and then a few years later the great feeling a kid gets of actually meeting the man as at school and having shaken the hand of a great man who had been to the moon and the signed picture on my wall of Buzz on the moon (about the only thing I kept from school !!! LOL), just doesn't mean much anymore !!!

.
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The colloquial mannerism escapes one at present, but one does get the impression Mr Daz may be indulging in a little extraction of the urine.:}


Beaten to it by Mr HB. This piss poor satellite link is beginning to get on my tits.

Was your post in response to my PM or the post above yours ?
Looking at the time, my PM was sent just before you posted
so they might have crossed.



I believe that we crossed when you were editing that post. :ok:

Well, obviously, if we can't get posts to line up in the correct order, how could we possibly go to the Moon or Mars.

Solid Rust Twotter

"This piss poor satellite link is beginning to get on my tits."

Didn't you realise they put in a 14 minute delay to make you think
you are on Planet Tharg (or Mars or wherever you are).

Have a read of Daz's posts, I'm sure he explains how they did it !

Mars Curiosity rover beams stunning HD colour panorama to NASA | World | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/09/nasa-mars-curiosity-panorama/)

Daz, why don't you try to discuss this with Buzz Aldrin? Hang on, I'll just get my camera....

Seriously, people who don't want to believe the obvious will believe almost anything else, unless....

....they are just self seeking twats.

Who believes the moon.....
.....is made of blue cheese (other than myself). Windies vid. proves it. Curiosity will find that Mars is made of Red Leicester. Sorted.
Don't be daft man every body knows that "It is cheese (Caerfilli)" Morgan Morgan of Rhondda better know as Morgan the Moon. The first man to land on the moon, alas the lack of anthracite there meant we had to wait for Neil and Buzz before man went to the moon and came back. :}

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g412/RobJHP/00014116-04A3-13B4-86F00C01AC1BF814.jpg

Pelikal :D Da Iawn!;)

Going to the moon with the technology of the 60's was a remarkable achievement by a great nation.

A few years later, that same nation brought about the defeat and dissolution of communism.

What a great time to be an American!

Agree re the first part.

Re this "A few years later, that same nation brought about the defeat and dissolution of communism. "

Don't claim all the credit. Other countries were also involved
and also fought and died in wars against communism.

What a great time to be an American!

Unfortunately, not for a long time.

Don't claim all the credit. Other countries were also involved
and also fought and died in wars against communism.

I don't think we do, at least I do not. A very strong and brave lady by the name of Margret Thatcher had a lot to do with the taking down of the Iron curtain as well.

As for the Aussies, well there's never been a time we could not count on them, great country and a great people. :ok:

They were good years.

Now we have Obama and no manned space program. :(

Con
It was the way that BandAide wrote that sentence that got me, that's all,
as though the US was the only one in the fight.
Kind of like that is how a lot of the world thinks that is how America thinks
but luckily not all of them :ok:

I am originally a POM (or Limey I think you call them)
but moved over to Aus.

I lived through Maggies time ! Now she was someone who knew how to
make a hard decision and then kick arse - Falklands, Iranian Embassy siege,
Scottish Prison and a few others :ok:

Well said Con. Your modesty, as an American, is an example that would hopefully open the minds of others.

Unfortunately, you appear to be in the minority. Pity.

Your modesty, as an American

Ah, well you see I'm not from Texas. :p

Con

LOL :ok:


If ever you get a big Texan sprouting how big Texas is, just remind him that ONE state in Australia covers HALF of the whole of the USA !!!

Ah, well you see I'm not from Texas.

So your steaks are from ? ;)

So your steaks are from

Err, the grocery store? :\



Actually, the grocery store we shop at, carries Oklahoma beef. They have a very good meat department run by a really good butcher. The store is a local chain that carries a lot of local products.

If ever you get a big Texan sprouting how big Texas is, just remind him that ONE state in Australia covers HALF of the whole of the USA !!!

Texans on the whole, have never forgiven Alaska for joining the Union and replacing Texas as the biggest state in the United States. :p

You lot just don't get it, do you? The whole thing was powered by anthracite, for heavens sake.

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Always appreciate your honesty, Con.

Couldn't fake a steak on the moon !

Please allow me to acknowledge all those who fought and resisted Communism/Socialism throughout the Cold War.

I think the USA was the constant, but the small countries and their people, the obscure resistance, more than the power of the USA, was what ultimately made it all come down.

BandAide :ok:


If you actually think about it (and unless I have my history wrong), France (Indochina / Vietnam) and the British (Malaya, Borneo) would probably be close to the first to fight the Communist / Nationalist agenda ?

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Solid Rust Twotter

"This piss poor satellite link is beginning to get on my tits."

Didn't you realise they put in a 14 minute delay to make you think
you are on Planet Tharg (or Mars or wherever you are).

Have a read of Daz's posts, I'm sure he explains how they did it !

Satlink with next to no bandwidth out here in the desert. If you look closely, you'll notice Mr Daz has a large key with which to wind people up. Swallowing the bait just makes us one of his clockwork toys.:}

You forgot S'Efrica. At least until it was all handed over to a bunch that think communism is still the way to go....

SRT
Yes, I know about Daz and was helping him wind it up :O

I need to use a few more :O in my posts.

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The WW2 bomber found on the moon (according to the UK's Sunday Sport) was actually spreading chemtrails in anticipation of human colonisation.

Not many people know that.

Edit: wrong "newspaper".

Magnus

Have to correct you here, it was sent to bomb the Clangers as per the video on a previous page, I remember seeing it as a kid on TV.

I think they also found it was one of the missing bombers from the
Bermuda Triangle:)

And the crew was picked up by the London bus which was subsequently found buried in the Antarctic.

Didn't they get turfed off because they didn't have the exact fare?

Little or no turf in the Antarctic, but I take your point. :p

The same "newspaper" once reported that a woman had given birth to an 8lb duck. Do you think she was faking it? I can usually tell . . .

Solid Rust...... "If you look closely, you'll notice Mr Daz has a large key with which to wind people up" I assure you not Sir, I'm attempting to make people look further than the end of their nose and not to be 'taken in' by the dross that is reported on ones tv news.

Daz

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Naw, wrong caption there Daz.

It should read;

"Did you know that there are still people that think the moon landings were fake!"

:p




Now, if you desire to inject your Chemtrail based knowledge into US politics, take it to the Wheel.

Observe the most recent Mars landing and fall in love with NASA and (Liebnitz or that grim fellah called Newton) realise that it is was possible, did happen and still is!

Caco

Of COURSE the moon landings were real.

Where do you think we got all the chemicals to fill the tanks of our jets when we go chemtrailing.

EW