Refinery at Kurnell - Avgas

[Matt-YSBK]

Does anybody know if they refine Avgas at Kurnell and if so what the impact will be on avgas prices/supply over the coming years.

Matt.

[FoxtrotAlpha18]

They only refine Avgas at Far-Kurnell! :mad:

[T28D]

Only Avgas refinery in AUS is at BP Kwinana in W.A. asfar as I am aware rest comes from TUAS in Singapore

[Warbo]

Apparently there is a good chance that nothing will be refined at Kurnell in the not too distant future. Or anywhere in Australia! Apparently, if you believe the oil companies, Australia's refineries are becoming so expensive to operate/maintain that they are set to walk away and import it all from the "super-refinery" in India. That's Avgas, Jet, Diesel and Petrol - the works :eek:!!

[diddly squat]

Cost of living is higher in Singapore than most of Oz, so why is it cheaper from there?

[Romulus]

Cost of living is higher in Singapore than most of Oz, so why is it cheaper from there?

Economies of scale, throughput of Singapore refineries is absolutely massive, even the smallest is twice the size of Kurnell.

Much more modern and efficient plant in Singapore, Kurnell is a legacy from the 50s.

LAbour costs and productivity higher in Singapore although this is largely due to scale of prodction. Kurnell production wasn't helped by recent upgrade requirements in terms of desulphurisation which was much harder to achieve in plant as old as Kurnell.

[Typhoon650]

Just can't wait till we face a mega plant shutdown in India or Singapore and have to bring in refined fuel from say the US. How will the population handle fuel jumping to $3 a litre overnight if that had to happen?
And let's face it, large chemical plants in third world or emerging economies have a tendency to shut down for various reasons.
I'm a little tired of successive governments throwing hundreds of millions of dollars a year at local car manufacturers (who build outdated products no one wants) and not spending a cent on safeguarding industries like refining that could have a critical effect on the economy if they failed/shut down.
So why are Shell setting up to spend billions on a CNG plant but we can't get any benefit from this? Why aren't we as a nation using this natural gas ourselves, to fuel power stations, large, currently diesel powered equipment etc? We have the proven technology to do it. Why sell our resources off for a pittance and struggle to fuel ourselves??? I thought Labor/Greens were for reduced carbon emissions...natural gas power plants is clearly a step in that direction???
I bet the government is making it look very attractive financially for Shell to set this plant up, but it will employ a vast amount of foreign staff according to Shell. Why not direct some money at Caltex and help them set up a new refinery somewhere sensible?

[Captain Garmin]

AVGAS 100LL Blue is still Produced at Shell's refinery Geelong.

[kaz3g]

2nd Oz AVGAS refinery
AVGAS 100LL Blue is still Produced at Shell's refinery Geelong.


So where do they sell it?

Shell have been pulling out their bowsers and cancelling carnets for some time.

And the current price is ridiculous compared to the $1.27 per litre I saw E10 advertised at last night.

kaz

[baswell]

Australia's refineries are becoming so expensive to operate/maintain that they are set to walk away and import it all from the "super-refinery" in India. That's Avgas, Jet, Diesel and Petrol - the works !!
If that means we might get 100LL again in central and west, it gets my vote!

[porch monkey]

Kaz, just because it's produced by shell, doesn't mean it's sold under the shell name. They buy and sell to each other all the time. The most convenient refinery usually supplies all the local outlets, regardless of brand.

[kaz3g]

Kaz, just because it's produced by shell, doesn't mean it's
sold under the shell name. They buy and sell to each other all the time. The
most convenient refinery usually supplies all the local outlets, regardless of
brand.

Thanks... :-)

kaz

[T28D]

Petrochemical Refined products are just another traded commodity, now we have the technical capabilty to safely transport the volatile liquids there is no real reason to maintain refining capacity.

[Keg]

Cost of living is higher in Singapore than most of Oz.....


Not for the Banghledeshi, phillipino and other foreign workers at the refineries who live in squalid camp like accommodation on $500SGD / month.

[Cactusjack]

Whats the TSV refueller got to say on this matter? He is the font of all things Kero related...