Good morning gents,

I heard from a colleague that yesterday Rekkof made a presentation at Farnborough announcing that they are going to start production of the revitalized F120... (Fokker 100 stretched and with new P&W tfans): is anybody following the story? any suitable link?

I heard from a colleague that yesterday Rekkof made a presentation at Farnborough announcing that they are going to start production of the
revitalized F120... (Fokker 100 stretched and with new P&W tfans): is anybody following the story? any suitable link?

Haven't they been saying that for a while now ?

I don't think many people in the industry seriously expect it to happen. For a start, they would need a new wing manufacturer - Bombardier are hardly likely to want to resume building them in Belfast for a project that would compete with the CSeries.

From one of the Flightglobal reporters at Farnborough: artist's impression. (http://yfrog.com/kllgqwbj)

Interesting, but also funny seeing a cabin window positioned almost inside the compressor intake... what kind of comfort will the passenger get?

Haven't they been saying that for a while now ?

I don't think many people in the industry seriously expect it to happen. For a start, they would need a new wing manufacturer - Bombardier are hardly likely to want to resume building them in Belfast for a project that would compete with the CSeries.

Indeed it's a long story still on going... I don't think there can be issues with Bombardier, considering they already have a commercial agreement .. I am more worried about the investments necessary... where will they find the money?

And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?

And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?

Why not? With new regulations more and more aicrafts are getting obsolete, due to performance, to consumption and emissions etc.. without mentioning the number of machines continuously left on ground because of difficulty to find spare parts.

I believe an independent manufacturer competing with the A318/319 and B737 could only be beneficial to lower airline costs and let's not forget of the amazing Chinese area where more and more companies are rising up every day...

Interesting, but also funny seeing a cabin window positioned almost inside the compressor intake... what kind of comfort will the passenger get?


It's no closer than current Fokker 100 passengers sit in relation to the Tay:

http://www.fokker-aircraft.info/klc-phkle-8.jpg

and I'd expect the GTF to be considerably quieter.

And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?

Evidently so. They managed to get a 20 million Euro loan from the Dutch government, who I doubt will ever see it again:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/1521&format=PDF&aged=1&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

I think going by the impression that it looks good. If it looks good it is good so the saying goes. I sat next to the RR Tay intake on the F100 on many occasions and it was suprisingly quiet.

Do they ever ask themselves why the Fokker 100 stopped selling?


9/11 plus the noisy gas guzzling Tay engines.
Both no longer a factor.

OTOH the C Series and the Superjet will be stiff competition.

Why not? With new regulations more and more aicrafts are getting obsolete, due to performance, to consumption and emissions etc.. without mentioning the number of machines continuously left on ground because of difficulty to find spare parts.

I believe an independent manufacturer competing with the A318/319 and B737 could only be beneficial to lower airline costs and let's not forget of the amazing Chinese area where more and more companies are rising up every day...

Why not?: 737-MAX7, A319neo, E-190, E-195, CS100, CS300, MRJ90, SS100 Superjet, AN158, ARJ21 - methinks that this market is a bit overcrowded already and with manufacturers / governments with much deeper pockets than Rekkof I'm sad to say.
:sad:

Nice to hear the project isn't dead. I enjoyed flying it, and deem it to be a good aeroplane; put some modern FADEC engines to it and off we go again.
But dear engineers, this time please don't put the PACKs under the pilot seats!!

Hear, hear :}

Have to agree with the two previous. I believe they ended up there for trim reasons. The Tays and their reversers were a lot heavier than the Speys on the F28. Other than that, the -100 was a very good aeroplane.

The Packs were indeed a pain in the @<hidden> (or more accurately the ears) but the main change I would like is adoption of Leading Edge Devices to make "death by NEI" less of a threat. :ooh:

Oh, and please please DON'T change the speedbrakes, the VERY best feature of the machine :ok:

Yes! Another RJ!

My favorite Fokker video:

BUFFALO AIRWAYS C-46 & DC-4 - YouTube

-drl

Pretty good source confirmed today all possible 747-8 , B777 orders at Farnbough are delayed by THY. Also he mentioned the 3% play rise dead in the water . Hopefully I am wrong but source was legit.

It's no closer than current Fokker 100 passengers sit in relation to the Tay:

Indeed you're right, but still I find somehow unpleasant the idea of travelling while enjoying the sight of a compressor spinning in one of my ears...

I sat next to the RR Tay intake on the F100 on many occasions and it was suprisingly quiet.

Next week I have an FCF on an F100; I will go and check of it feels sitting close to the engines I hope to be able to agree...
I am really curious!:confused:

The aircraft was ill thought out and broke Fokker.
Besides the terrible noise from the packs which were prone to icing and strong vibrations - so severe that it triggered a eng vibration warning after lift off out of Madrid in summer; then there was silly freight compartment - too small as well as the doors - so baggage was either left behind or stuffed into the cabin.
Badly engineered gear - SR troubleshooter refused to accept it. One collapsed at Geneva and the replacement ( marchetti?) collapsed with the press on board.
Add to that the thick wing reduced MNO which meant that we couldnt get our cruise levels because of blocking the airway so were forced to fly lower.
Airbrakes were either in or out so to deploy them and not upset the pax we had to pull the nose up, slow the aircraft, deploy the brakes at the same time as pitching down.
Swissair gave the fleet to LX who promptly sold them...says it all.

The aircraft was ill thought out and broke Fokker
That's not true, I don't know how you can make such a conclusion.

Swissair gave the fleet to LX who promptly sold them...says it all.
Sorry, ...says what? Airfrance/KLM are still operating a huge fleet of F100/F70.

I found your judgment a bit too severe, considering that most of the a/c produced are still airworthy and flying...

Anyway I believe we are moving Off Topic since the thread was about the Rekkof thing.

Just found this site:

Next Generation Aircraft | F120-NG a new aircraft (http://www.ngaircraft.com/)

Good aircraft for Air France as uncomplicated and handled like a Cessna......:E

then there was silly freight compartment - too small as well as the doors - so baggage was either left behind or stuffed into the cabin.

May be at last I know why:


On four of my last five sectors AMS-LPI my baggage arrived the following day
Each time I was far from alone
On the single occasion where my bags arrived, plenty of other folks' bags did not
The friendly staff in Linköping were very versed at handling the situation for such a tiny airport!


Each flight was serviced by either a F70 or a F100.

There's a short version of the article in Flight Daily News from Farnborough, on p17:

12.07.12 Farnborough (http://rbiuk.ceros.com/fdn/july12/page/1)

It's pretty,

So, how about a campaign for the re-instatementt of the RJX program but with twin GTF......low noise, power?, decent cabin, STOL, BRITISH!

Too much to ask?

It's pretty,

So, how about a campaign for the re-instatementt of the RJX program but with twin GTF......low noise, power?, decent cabin, STOL, BRITISH!

Too much to ask?

Hmm. Significantly slower cruise than the competition, narrow cabin at 6 abreast with limited overhead storage, potential need to redesign wing for 2 large engines rather than 4 small ones, manufacturer well and truly out of the civil aircraft market... I fear the answer to your question is "yes."

Too much to ask?

Don't need to - the Ukrainians are already there :E

http://www.economy-ukraine.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/AN_158.jpg

The only two types which take their roots from dinosaurs and still on sale are 737 and CRJ, however those were constantly developed and production has never stopped.
Why would you believe Fokker 120 have more chance than 727 Super-27 or 717 or RJX or what-ever-else failed project?

CargoOne
Why would you believe Fokker 120 have more chance than 727 Super-27 or 717 or RJX or what-ever-else failed project?

The B727 can hardly be called a failed project. 1800 plus airframes produced over 20 years and it probably made Boeing a few dollars as well in that time. Eventually technology and ecomonics are going to result in a decision to stop production on some models but I suspect that many airframers would have been over the moon to have experienced such a failed project!

happybiker

I'm talking about 727 Super-27. Original 727 is totally out of context here

Thanks CargoOne, I will read more carefully next time!:ok:

can we all save a lot of time by reading the SAAB restart thread?

Just substitute Fokker for SAAB throughout...............

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funny enough i don't remember those things...

SR sold them becasue LX got the Avros (not really better) in order to make MS happy. And I know for absolutely sure it was SR who sold them, as part of the PB strategic plans.

Gimme a F100 over anything Canadian with Jets anytime!

Like in the SAAB discussion: HOW MUCH? Oh, I forgot, that is the question for any airframe in combination with some propelling device...

'Good aircraft for Air France as uncomplicated and handled like a Cessna......'



I would prefer it handle like a Jet transport

Looking at the phot of the cockpit on their site, the overhead panel (what you can see of it) looks like the current F100's, but the rest is totaly new. Wonder if thry will be able to keep a comon type rating id they ever build the NG?

funny seeing a cabin window positioned almost inside the compressor intake Same on the B717, seats reserved for staff ID pax it seems. Sat in them a few times, not a grand view but actually not that noisey.

Hunter - not what I was told at the time but you could be right - I was just driving them at the time and found myself sans job...
Doubt if it was to make MS happy - flew with him on his last flight on the 9 before he suddenly lost his medical - nowt to do with the FDR your honor.
LX was used to reduce the SR pilot salary - most successful but their accidents and their equipment cost us lots of pax and was one of the proverbial straws.
But their inflight service into LCY was far superior to SR into lHR - Moritz certainly knew about inflight service - good pilot and skipper.

Back to the Fokker, brakes lousy as well and although I flew with earplugs I still suffer from tinnitus.