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Truman Sparks
4th Jul 2012, 12:00
I read today with interest that the Jet Blue Captain that 'lost it' on a flight, had to be restrained and caused the aircraft to divert, has been found insane and therefore his criminal case is to be re-assessed.

BBC News - 'Insanity' clears JetBlue 'bomb' pilot Clayton Osbon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18700124)

As an airline pilot I welcome this news and have every sympathy with Capt Osbon.

I think that it's all too easy to dismiss this individual as an isolated case, someone who obviously had previous mental health issues and somehow slipped through the safety nets of medicals and interviews.

I think there is a danger that, because this is a 'difficult' or awkward subject we dismiss it in the pilot community and indeed the AME community and move on.

I note with interest that upon my last two medical renewals I have questioned about my personal levels of stress and I have replied as honestly as I can that they are probably no more or less than anyone elses who does what I do and is the at my time of life.

We have the simulator every six months, we are challenged on a daily basis and hassled by security and our employers demand an almost super human level of flawless performance from us every time we operate. Throw in your every day smattering of every day outside influences such as death, divorce, moving house or even just the commute into work and I am surprised that we do not have more 'melt downs' within our demographic.

We tend to be stable extroverts as a group and therefore inclined to get things off our chest which helps. Every single guy or girl I fly with has a moan about something or other and I welcome it. I think it's important. Nobody else understands in quite the same way as we do.

And we have to have broad shoulders and take it and take it, from our families, from passengers and from our employers.

The buck stops with us and we have nowhere to go, the only thing we can do is vent to the others and manage and cope with it as best we can. I would tend to suggest that Capt Osbon has had more in his life than he was able to cope with, and further, I would tend to suggest that opportunities to off load and talk about how he was feeling were not available to him or he felt that they were not available to him.

Two pilots who I knew at a previous employer have just been fired after having a CRM breakdown during a flight. They rowed and reported each other and were fired at the subsequent tribunal for basically not being able to sort it out and endangering the flight by their behaviour.

One of the guys had been through a bitter divorce and the other has a history of anger management issues.

It's seems to me that neither men felt they had the tools to deal with their problems and that their employer also did not provide them with those tools. There is obviously an element of personal responsibility in this case.

But the point of my words above here is that more cases such as Capt Osbon will, I fear, occur in the future. And I hope that when they do criminal prosecutions are avoided.

But I would also ask any medical professionals reading this to consider how we might be best counselled as a demographic to avoid this happening in the first place.

We may all be steely eyed missile men, able to take the world upon our shoulders but we are also human too.



Left Coaster
4th Jul 2012, 13:23
A most telling reply...thanks...it puts quite a lot of it into perspective. In addition and from a good friend who works at JB and knows the poor bugger, it's all he had in life...aviation meant the world to this man...might not be too healthy to have a job which also your hobby...just sayin!

homonculus
4th Jul 2012, 20:25
Although US courts and indeed US psychoatry have a different view of mental illness from the UK it is still the case that this poor chap had a mental illness, such as an acute psychotic episode, where he lost contact with reality. This is not the same as stress or losing ones temper

Stress can reduce performance and some peoples performance and decision making deteriorates more than others but it is nothing to do with what happened her. This poor guy had a medical disorder no different from cancer or a heart attack except the pathology is in the brain.

Sadly society and inded the law often consider the mentally ill to be guilty or needing punishment. Or even just being unable to cope. Only when this is corrected will people with mental illness be seen as patients.

Let's hope for a speedy recovery

Thomas coupling
25th Jul 2012, 13:49
Truman - what you described there in the life of an airline pilot - is an embarrassment. Doctors/surgeons/nurses/police officers/lawyers/ to name but a few, ALL have much much more stressful lives than the innucuous airline pilot. Flying in the airline business is 95% monotonous and boring. A lot of the rest you describ ed is common to everyone regarding personal and family life (so don't throw that lot in with your woes).
For christs sake - wake up and realise your job is a doddle from the worry perspective. After all, you have half of the month to rest and recover.
Honestly, I wonder sometimes if flying commercially doesn't go to the heads of some folk!

Get a life.

Bearcat
25th Jul 2012, 17:41
T.C.....why dont you get a life. Your obviously not a Capt or probably not a pilot.

You need to do a few visual approaches on a dark shitty night with windshear and vicious crosswinds thrown in or come to Chicago being surronded by thunder storms upto FL450 where the options sudden;y become limited re diversions......throw in 400 punters down the back praying you dont fugh it up.

I forgot, we are just glorified cab drivers.

Back to your cardboard simulator:ugh:

Thomas coupling
25th Jul 2012, 19:47
Sweet little bearcat - you don't know the half of it sunshine. 30 years of mil/police flying makes your job look like a walk in the park.
95% of commercial jet flying is 100% safe and boring. AAIB track records suggest that. Where I come from one has to actually "fly" the machine for a living.:E

Let's be serious for a second. Flying a modern jet in modern airspace is NOT stressful, is it?

Being a cop is stressful - being faced daily with violence or worse still.
Being a surgeon is stressful - where saving life is your bread and butter.
Being a lawyer is stressful - defending clients from losing everything.
Being a nurse is stressful - A&E every day of their lives - from violence/abuse and injury.

Flying an Airbus 330 to Cuba/chicago/hawaii is NOT stressful - ever. Even near a thunderstorm, or a dark and shitty night. You said it Bear: there are OPTIONS in flying jets.....there are NONE in all of the above.

You make me laugh sometimes........................

M-ONGO
25th Jul 2012, 20:10
Flying an Airbus 330 to Cuba/chicago/hawaii is NOT stressful - ever. Even near a thunderstorm, or a dark and shitty night. You said it Bear: there are OPTIONS in flying jets.....there are NONE in all of the above.

No, in normal ops it's not particulately stressful flying a jet is it? It's non normal ops that may raise the stressors.

About Thomas coupling
Licence Type (eg CPL. Pilots only)
ATPL
Location
UK
Occupation
aviation management

Aviation management? Not a particulacy sympathetic manager by the sounds of it.

Bearcat
25th Jul 2012, 21:15
"sweet Bearcat"..... TC your a condescending git.

Generally plod are decent blokes but attitude like yours is laughable. You wouldn't stand one nano second in a civilian commercial cockpit.

Thomas coupling
25th Jul 2012, 21:58
It's "you're" not "your"......now now calm down. Take a nap and let the other pilot take the next leg.

Bearcat
26th Jul 2012, 13:07
and you play cops and robbers while I play with the big dogs.:ok:

M-ONGO
26th Jul 2012, 15:08
He's the type that gives management a bad name. Shame on him.

gingernut
26th Jul 2012, 19:14
Yeh, I'd echo those sentement's, hope he's ok.

It'd be a difficult to pass judgement if he'd took the plane in though:confused:

Again, a mental health issue for which I have no answers.

Sometimes difficult to consolidate things, as in this case... Suicidal dad was not insane when he pushed children off balcony, inquest hears - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8923199/Suicidal-dad-was-not-insane-when-he-pushed-children-off-balcony-inquest-hears.html)