Firstly, I have searched and read all the info on Hainan Airlines and the living conditions and treatment of expats by the Chinese. I know 3rd world living and the way people get treated so I am well aware of what is in store for me. Unfortunately, if you can make it through the selection process and get a contract, it will be a stepping stone in the right direction (a very warped stepping stone but one none-the-less).
What I would like to ask for is information regarding the Interview - any help would be greatly appreciated.
4th Jul 2012, 11:35
Definitely not true!
There might be discussions about the interpretation of the contract.
I finished my flying career and have no need to sweettalk any deal but concerning my three years with Hainan I treated them fairly and got the same in return. I might have had the advantage of beeing employed by another chines airline before Hainan so I was already used to the logic of the chinese mind.
No regrets about my last three years. There are better contracts out there but definitely worse. And I got my salary and bonus always on time.
@<hidden> Love PanAm
Whilst I appreciate your concern for my well-being, the thread is about the interview at Hainan. There is enough wailing in Pprune about the Chinese and their treatment of expats so feel free to go and scream till your hearts content in the other threads. I have read all the warnings so let me decide.
I am looking for info on the Hainan interview and sim session please. Feel free to PM me if you want to keep your name from being a target of all the nay-sayers.
Many thanks for any help.
5th Jul 2012, 09:52
Which fleet are you applying with Hainan?
For anything other than the 767, I would apply to a different Chinese airline than Hainan. I just jumpseated a couple of weeks ago on them and talked to a couple of their pilots. Their line training has not gotten better in the last 2 years, it has gotten worse. Maybe far worse. 2 years ago it was 6-8 months of line training for current and qualified pilots.
For the 330 I would do Sichuan first. I don't know enough about working for either Air China or China Southern to give them a thumbs up or down. Obviously if you want to commute those might be attractive.
320 I would do BCA, TIanjin, Sichuan, Shenzhen, Spring. Not necessarily in that order. Avoid June Yao and West Air.
737 Probably I would do Xiamen or Shenzhen first. I don't know about OK. I would still avoid Hainan. Xiamen and Shenzhen are two of the best places to live in China.
Most importantly I wouldn't recommend any Chinese job unless you have a guaranteed job to go back to. The money is great now but the job security is not.
Finished a 2 year contract 2 weeks ago and am trying to avoid going back, but my bank account is calling my name..........
7th Jul 2012, 11:16
I am going to interview with China Southern in August.
Can anyone confirm or refute the rumours about the intensive flight working in overall China? Are their pilots really fly more 100 hours per month?
7th Jul 2012, 21:06
1,000 per year max. U do the math!
8th Jul 2012, 08:40
Hainan Air just got busted by the CAAC recently for getting caught flying their pilots overtime. Reduction in flying, no AC deliveries etc. I don't know the details.
The Chinese cheat at everything, all the time. It is just a matter if they get caught, and if it affects you. It did affect me.
8th Jul 2012, 15:29
If anybody is interested in details:
Several cabin and cockpitcrews did not adhere to the minimum 36 h uninterrupted rest in a certain timeframe (7days moving bracket)
CAAC grounded the flighhtcrew for up to two months and imposed a cashfine on Hainan. They also had to reduce their flight hours in their system by ?(15)% and could not take any new aircraft in this fiscal year.
But: as the employees had done these transgressions on behalf and in the interest of Hainan the y got fully paid during these penalty months.
So, its a power struggle between CAAC and the biggest " private" airline in China and sometimes you got caught in between. Whenever they wanted me to fly something close to CAAC limits I asked them to give me in writing that this sector/duty or resttime was according regulations. Hardly ever I had to take it ;-)
Cheating? Well, crewcontrol all over the world try to catch you unaware, its not a chinese syndrom.
8th Jul 2012, 15:50
Hi, are U going back or are U still ther? Good luck