HELP PLEASE G-200 OR CHALLENGER???

[capt.babydoll]

GUYS,

ANYONE ONE HAVE AN OPINION ON A G-200 VS. A CHALLENGER?

The plane will be used primarily for flights uder 2 to 3 hours, the most important criteria my boss has is speed, and cabin comfort that has up to 9 seats.

I have heard the G-200 is a runway hog, and takes up a lot on the roll. Is that true?

Any other planes for sale in this category that still provide the speed and cabin comfort of the G-200?

BUDGET IS 10 TO 15M....

MUCH MUCH APPRECIATION!

[jr of dallas]

Falcon 2000!:ok:

[knot4u]

Which Challenger?

[CALDC9]

For that amount of money. You can acquire a high serial number Challenger 604.

The best value in large cabin airplanes. Period.
;)

[Fossy]

CL300 or F2000

[jr of dallas]

The best value in large cabin airplanes
Well that is YOUR point of view :D

[B200Drvr]

IMHO the Challenger fleet would be a last resort, the DA fleet and even Citations would be better.

[His dudeness]

even Citations would be better.

Ever flown a "big" Citation? I do (C650 and 680) and I have flown the CL300...

There is no doubt whatsoever that the 300 is

a) in a different class of airplanes
b) does everything better than the 680 apart from T/O performance and 2nd segment climb & cabin noise...

The 200 is a runway hog, where the CL300 is not bad. If you need a real short field performer, then go for a Sovereign. But there is no way 9 Pax can travel in the Sov nearly as nice as in the others. The X has the same cabin, so there you go...

On 2 to 3 hour legs fuel burn on the CL300 will almost be the same as in the Sov...9 Pax do usually mean the divan installation in the CL300.(that is 2,10mtrs long and makes a nice bed (2,10 by 0,90 m)
How desirable that is, you´d have to check with your boss. One thing that is bad in the 300 is cabin noise especially if you don´t have the galley divider door. The main doors has only a rubber lip as a seal, nothing inflatable. Also, a fair amount of cabin air gets sucked out from the lavatory area to the batteries to keep em warm, one can hear that.

From a pilots point of view the 300 is a great airplane, real fun to fly.

No idea about the 200 apart from what I heard and saw from the operations next door to me a few years back. They had several destinations they could not go to because of rwy requirements...so...

[hawker750]

I have heard that a used G 200 will kill you in maintenance/repair costs

[capt.babydoll]

thanks a ton! great info, i think the challenger 300 is the direction to go, we are based in asia, and i've heard of a lot of G-200's coming here, but also here they are heavy, and high maintenance demands...

[capt.babydoll]

challenger 300

[B200Drvr]

Make sure you look at all cost for the 300. Like training costs :{

[jr of dallas]

Well have a serious look for at the Falcon 2000 classic or 50 EX for the kind money you are talking about. I Hope for you and your boss that you are getting some professional advices on top of this forums :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[XEMS]

Not sure if it would meet your speed and runway requirements, but as far as 9 passengers comfortably, the Embraer Legacy might be worth a look. I agree it's nowhere near the plane the Challenger 300 or Falcon 2000 is, but if you aren't trying to stretch out the legs, the speed difference isn't so bad, and the passenger room is nothing short of spectacular. Don't have any time in them, but my current employer used to operate one and he loved it. It seems to get overlooked because it isn't a "ground up" corporate airplane. I think that might have helped in keeping purchase prices on the lower side though. For 15 million there are some fantastic airplanes out there. Good luck.

[Flying Mechanic]

flew the G200 for a couple of years, yes they are runway hogs, but generally not a bad machine, you can pick them up pretty cheap these days as they are out of production. You get teething problems with the boots, and not an aircraft to be cold soaked. Make sure you have access to a good engineer or Maint co who can support you.
Cheers FM

[capt.babydoll]

great advice, thank you!

[jetopa]

we are based in asia, and i've heard of a lot of G-200's coming here,

In China and Hong Kong, for example, there are 'millions' of them. Gulfstream must have given special discounts... So, when maintenance, spare parts etc. are considerations, then you're probably not so bad off with one of them.

For 15 Mill. USD, you can certainly find a very nice CL300 or F2000. 10 Mill. USD is a bit tough, but there are some early s/n's out there.

Also think about the fuel consumption when flying (relatively) low and fast. Don't expect to get the same FLs on those legs as you might in the US or Europe!

Regarding the availability of pilot training facilities, for the F2000 (classic) there are currently: four, CL300: two, G200: three.

Let your boss test fly a F2000 or CL300 and you'll see. And (as J.R. already mentioned): get independent, professional counsel. It's worth the money!