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21st Jun 2012, 09:50
Norwegian have opened up recruitment for experienced first officers and captains on 737NG. There is also an application for non-rated pilots if you want to self fund your type rating.
Contract only though. PPJN states PARC of Rishworth.
21st Jun 2012, 14:30
Great deal. Non-TR - Pay for your TR, and get to work for them for 3 years (I believe it is a 3 year contract?), before they screw you off and get new meat to fill the seat. :ok:
21st Jun 2012, 15:57
Concerning Experienced F/O, is the contract a short-term one?
Any chance to turn it into a permanent one with upgrades?
21st Jun 2012, 23:15
B767PL, you are a bit off the mark I think/hope.
Union has negotiated a deal, after a Base has been open 2 years (HEL will be in 1 yr/AGP in a little less than 2 ) based crew must be offered permanent employment.
For the moment no-one knows exactly what will be offered, we will see in due course.
Current recruitment is mainly for courses starting Aug for LPA base due to open around Oct.
22nd Jun 2012, 07:39
Any rumours of UK bases in the future?
22nd Jun 2012, 09:12
The mentioned permanent employment will be offered at "one of the Norwegian companies" (et Norwegian selskap).
22nd Jun 2012, 13:15
Is a Scandinavian language essential or beneficial to work for Norwegian?
22nd Jun 2012, 14:09
Odd application form- why does it ask if you've been denied entry to a country serviced by Ryanair? Also, it asks all the questions twice!
23rd Jun 2012, 14:20
a4000, there is a LGW rumour, certainly they have enough flts there to justify one.
There is also a persistent rumour of an "eventual" fleet of 18 787s, with hubs outside Scandi-land mentioned (inc, again LGW) but that is further off.
Whispers say that they are looking to speed up future 738 deliveries, there are 5 more planned by year end, I am led to believe they are angling for more.
BAe 146-100, scandi-lingo desirable , but not mandatory. With an AGP base & LPA next up, Spanish might arguably be just as useful ;) who knows where
leyahl, we have a lot of ex RYR guys in our pilot management, sounds like someone poached/cut & pasted, but failed to proof read.
23rd Jun 2012, 19:00
what are the contract T&C??
23rd Jun 2012, 19:29
8884€ pay all taxes etc yourself. 5 On 4 Off / 5 On 3 Off
Current contract bases HEL ,AGP, LPA from 25/10.
Full salary paid from Sim Chk, 100€/day per-diem till then. 40 sectors line tng to give you a chance to hack EFB.
Union has negotiated full time employment to be offered after 2 years. T's & C's for that unknown, hopefully competitive.
Night & Day compared to you know where . . . . I know, been there done that.
Sorry forgot to say, FO 5100€ or 5184 ? if they get the telephone allowance.
Rishworth doing a better job than PARC (really ! ) same conditions.
24th Jun 2012, 05:56
Just a sidenote regarding fulltime employment after 2 years contract; as I understand it, this happens if the base (non-scandi) has the right to live after 2 years of existence, but I have still not found what (or even who) decides whether or not to shut down. Anyone?
So, from what I see, the 6 month contracts are history, but there is still a lot of uncertainty regarding full-time employment offers after your contract is up. :confused:
24th Jun 2012, 07:29
That's the problem; people working on permanent contract in other airlines are really attracted by Norwegian but their job will hardly be left without having the chance to get the permanent one.
What's the upgrade situation in Norwegian? Does it take long time for experienced pilots?
24th Jun 2012, 09:45
With their proposed expansion (which I was recently told is about to be speeded up) they need bods on board, so doubt they will be looking for excuses not to put guys on permanent. They have just offered 35 permanent FO positions to any contractors seeking them (Capt or FO) with bases in Bergen Stavanger & Trondheim. Doesn't suit me, but I know a few from LHS are willing to change for 3 (?) years or so to get the foot in the full time NAS contract.I believe more will be offered at latest next Spring.
As regards future "full-time contracts out of Scandi-land no one knows the exact details of what will be offered, as a rough guide we are told all conditions enjoyed by full time NAS guys, but with salary "adjusted" for cost of living in base country (which is more or less what the full-time ARN guys have now vs the OSL guys.)
The litmus test will be in around 6mths time, when HEL base will be 2 years old.
Basically base must be "commercially viable" for the permanent thing to kick in, HEL certainly is, as will be I suspect AGP.
They are fairly concerned how they will find enough crew for planned expansion & have started Cadet recruiting already from beginning of this year, they don't seem to be in the business of trying to find ways to let guys go, & seem aware that Cadets will just migrate to the desert after 2 years if the "Carrot" isn't big enough, they are not burying their heads in the sand.
Time to Command ? difficult to say, many full-time guys waiting, but partially because Union told them not to accept a leave of absence to get Command, which would have had serious implications for their Norwegian pension etc. For those willing /able to accept 3 year "contract" if already full-time employed, it wouldn't be SO long, likewise perhaps if you joined as an experienced contractor ? . We do all, I realise have different circumstances /priorities.
30th Jun 2012, 06:27
Guys I have looked into this contract through parc, and no where does it mention a EU base i.e. HEL or AGP. I was clearly told only bangkok. Can someone shed some light on where the EU bases came from or is it only hearsay.
As for promotion from right to left, its going to take a long while as no in-house training I would imagine.
You Rock - BKK is for the B787 contract-thats is another company-Norwegian long haul.
AGP-HEL is for the B737.
30th Jun 2012, 07:14
If only the 787 was going to be based in Europe.
Thanks for the info
how can one apply for the position on the 737 base Europe?
in the website of the agencies is just mentioned about the 787...
1st Jul 2012, 09:21
You apply directly through Norwegian website (although you will be "employed" initially by an agency)
Current recruiting is for LPA, rumours suggest ALC/LGW &, I was told the other day, RIX :ok: in the future.
1st Jul 2012, 19:00
Hi guys and girls Anybody have any info regarding the selection process?
1st Jul 2012, 19:21
Just wondered if anyone has applied via the website, and had anything other than the automated reply - 'we have received your application, we will contact you once it has been reviewed'.
As the agencies are only advertising the Bangkok base, and not the European bases, is it worth contacting them re: European bases....particularly as it seems that even the European contract will be an agency based contract to start with?
Seems like not too bad a place to fly, so good luck to all applying!
1st Jul 2012, 23:56
Applied for the FO position a week or so ago not heard anything back yet apart from the "we have recieved your application" from Bjorn Hansen , has anyone been invited for screening etc...?
2nd Jul 2012, 05:06
Hi, I'm a long-time lurker here, I applied for the "self-sponsored typerating" at Norwegian, received the mentioned automatic reply, then one day later I received a negative reply from them.
Who knows, it might be a good thing that you haven't got a reply as quickly as I did! ;)
5th Jul 2012, 10:22
Has anyone heard back yet for the experienced FO position? Could anyone from inside the company comment what the chances are of being invited without any scandi language (but arround 1000hrs on type)?
11th Jul 2012, 16:13
Some info from my spies:
Present contracts are HEL and AGP with LPA (winter only) in the pipeline. All contacts are via the agencies, including Arpi, the local one which has long standing ties with NAS.
Time to command? A long time..... Seniority and the Union are the kings in Norway, as the labour courts are very strict.
12th Jul 2012, 09:44
What can you tell about the contract? Salary, roster, how long does it last etc....
Thanks in advance
12th Jul 2012, 21:12
If you join as an experienced FO, time to Command could be "relatively" short, but it will be a "Contract Command" ,& only if the company continue to seek those to accept them.
The full-time FO's have to take a "leave of absence" from their permanent positions to do so, and by doing this lose out (I am told) big time on other important things like pension contributions etc etc. Thus, so far, few, if any permanent FO's have made the choice. . whereas, quite a few Contract Capts have applied for the 35 (soon to be 50 if rumours are to be believed) permanent FO positions up for grabs (even with such "exotic" bases as BGO/SVG/TRD)
That gives you some idea of the difference between a "permanent" NAS contract & a "Contract contract"
14th Jul 2012, 11:06
I felt quite frustrated with these guys I have to say.
Made me spend some off days going back home in Spain, looking for criminal records and endless documents and then ooopsss seems they decided to look for some cadets so forget about the contract.
I am Spanish so obviously was interested in Malaga or Las Palmas. My current situation, 2600 hrs on the type. Heard nothing from them since that, if I don't remember wrong was about a year ago and through a broker (maybe Rishworth, not sure)
Felt quite disappointed as I am expecting a big company like them to start a recruiting process and go through. Otherwise it just seems they wanted to collect some CV's and make half 737 european F/Os to waste their time.
Not serious at all.
I guess I'm still on the list on their web page. Will see if they really call spanish speaking experienced guys for their spanish bases.
16th Jul 2012, 16:58
Heard their B787 contract in Bangkok is paying captains €7000pm and find your own bed. What opinions? Seems very stingey to me.
16th Jul 2012, 17:38
17th Jul 2012, 09:16
If I remember correctly, FO 6000€, Crz Capt 7500€, Capt 10,000€ total package. No extras, tax/social contributions/accomodation for you & the LBFM your own affair.
Slightly better than you have posted, but by no means "industry average" for wide-body/ long-haul if you exclude cr@<hidden> like TNT in Liege.
Heard a few weeks back that they were very dissapointed with quality & quantity of applicants, & had failed a very high percentage at assessment. . . . . peanuts/monkeys etc :hmm:
17th Jul 2012, 16:04
Applicant for B 787, any info on assesment process, sim type ?
17th Jul 2012, 16:18
I asked the same question for 737 no luck sofar......
17th Jul 2012, 17:31
The question should be: is there any experienced F/O been already interviewed by NAS?
I mean, excluding cadets.
I think no. So asking about the interview process in this forum is completely useless.
Actually, have NAS ever interviewed experienced 737 expats? Is not a new thing for them?
Guess the correct place to ask about the sim for F/O could be the Nordic Forum.
17th Jul 2012, 20:50
Looking for info on contract DEC 737 process to be precise
18th Jul 2012, 21:03
Back in March it was very straightforward/pleasant. Main emphasis seemed to be on personality, & whether you struck a nice balance between professional/nice guy to fly with, the "Scandinavian way" as far as I see it thus far, meaning "Scandinavian" the area/people, rather than "Scandinavian"/SAS.
Some Boeing Q's , some on Winter ops, no tricks/gotchas, no sim-ride.
I haven't spoken to anyone who interviewed this last 2 mths, so don't know if things got trickier, your best bet (as always) is to find someone who went through VERY recently.
Good luck with it :ok:
Lots of experienced FO's recruited this last 6mths, most (but not all) Scandis, but. . . .if you speak Spanish, in theory it could also help as much as a Scandi language.
19th Jul 2012, 18:59
Well, I hope so!!
Do you know more or less the profile of the guys hired this year? I mean, experience on type, etc.
I'm close to 3000 on type, JAA ATPL and ICAO level 5. That's it.
Hope for some news but for me the online application in NAS site is something like you fill it and then you'll never hear a thing about them. Maybe knowing someone there is a help but sadly my Scandinavian contacts are 0
21st Jul 2012, 13:55
It seems from what I am reading on the Nordic Forum Norwegian thread that the recruitment has indeed changed, with personality psychobabble tests & Sim ride. . . .so, I stand corrected.
I think everything (apart from Cadets) seems to be on hold, as I heard a lot of people are waiting for answers.
You can always email/call Bjorn (his details are on the application page on Norwegians website) normally he is very helpful, but I guess the response you will receive might depend on how many are calling him every day.
22nd Jul 2012, 11:28
Hi captplaystation, thanks for your info. You seem to say that they are currently recruiting cadets, is that correct? I could only find an application for experienced cpt's and fo's on their website.
It seems like a really good company to work for... I lived in scandinavia before and I would love to go back there...
22nd Jul 2012, 11:38
Will see if they call.
22nd Jul 2012, 17:14
One point that i don't understand is they just want to contract pilots instead of permanent? They just signed out for B737 Max and A320 Neo?
Do pilots have the chance to opt to make discounts to the social insurance and retirement in Norway?
23rd Jul 2012, 19:53
Not sure if Cadet recruitment is handled by Norwegian directly, or their TRTO, I guess if it is not on website it is either full, or handled by the school.
As the main reason for taking contractors is the avoidance of the Norwegian taxes/social payments, even if you could pay (unlikely as your contract is with the agency , not Norwegian) the company don't want to make the contributions. . . hence, contractors & bases in HEL/AGP/LPA & not in TRF/GOT etc.
If you can't correlate this with ordering 737MAX/A320NEOS have you missed the fact that Ryanair have 300+ aircraft & more than 50% Contractors ?
23rd Jul 2012, 21:13
So from what I have been reading no-one in the last few months has been contacted for experienced first officer recruitment...? I spoke to Mr hansen 2 weeks ago took the time to have a chat even though he was on his holidays,said to e-mail him my name etc and documents as a reminder.... very nice guy so I did that today fingers crossed,I was told they had 300+ applications for experienced FO's and did not plan to start looking at them until early August surely they need more then 300+ to fulfill current orders...
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1st Aug 2012, 13:16
I have been told they have selected those they want for August screenings, with more to come later in the year.
I wouldn't hold your breath....
1st Aug 2012, 13:32
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1st Aug 2012, 15:30
Just as a matter of interest again has any FO who has applied for the contract posiiton been contacted by the company...?? for assesment interview etc...? I see they have changed their recruitment page online and you now must complete "online tests" ugghh
1st Aug 2012, 16:44
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3rd Aug 2012, 12:07
Has anyone applied for DEC? Any further news on LGW as a base?
4th Aug 2012, 16:53
Yea, applied for DEC a few weeks ago but nothing heard yet. Any one have any idea when those selected for August screening will be contacted?
I heard of a 737 NG guy who actually went for the Dreamliner cruise Captain position...didn't get it but was offered a 737 LPA contract. I think this LGW rumour was started a little earlier in this thread and is spreading like wildfire with no evidence to support ...hoping to be proved wrong!
4th Aug 2012, 21:59
As long as I know the course for August is a TR course for non experienced F/O.
I've never met any experienced F/O interviewing with them. Maybe they will just focus on makin € with the self sponsored courses
6th Aug 2012, 20:57
Does anyone know what they ask for TR in terms of money
6th Aug 2012, 21:37
Don't do it!
10th Aug 2012, 20:54
EUR 25.000,- including sim and aircraft landings.
10th Aug 2012, 21:16
I've never met any experienced F/O interviewing with them. Maybe they will just focus on makin € with the self sponsored courses
Great. Another airline off the list. :mad:
14th Aug 2012, 15:29
Friend of mine has been called for interview. Experienced 737 F/O. So it seems they are not calling only ab initio pilots.
Good luck to you guys!
14th Aug 2012, 17:13
Great news I was only in contact with rishworth this morning do you know if your friend's rating is current and how many hours he has archer...??
14th Aug 2012, 18:01
Yes he is current, don't know about the hours, close to 3k I guess.
15th Aug 2012, 08:21
Pay for TR. Why stop so short of giving a mouth job ???
16th Aug 2012, 02:15
Applied way back in June for DEC, not heard anything... 7000 TT 3500 command 737 NG. Anyone heard for DEC? Should I give Rishworth a call?
17th Aug 2012, 14:52
Total PArc and RIsworth package is 8800€ including everything .
No tax paid anywhere.
If you have to pay tax the country you live in not much € is left.