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Peter-RB
19th Jun 2012, 05:09
Many people refer to fact that in theory a helicopter should not fly due to dynamics being all wrong, well most helis are as streamlined as their designers try to make them.
Now if you put a stonking big engine into a oblong box, with a MR on the top and stuck a tail rotor on the side, how much power would be needed to overcome the forward wind/air resistance. And does it really need a TR to be out on a pylon, on said box you could fit a TR on each side

For if such simplistic thing as a box shaped Helicopter flying could be made to work, would that not be able to be more capable of carrying things like cargo and such items, without the constraints of intrustions like curves that make pax almost hug each other, even in bigger things!

I know its very early , but up before the sun always sets me off looking at odd ways of doing things!!:)

Peter RB
Lancashire

S76Heavy
19th Jun 2012, 05:55
Those flying boxes already exist but they have tandem rotors..:E

SilsoeSid
19th Jun 2012, 07:05
Many people refer to fact that in theory a helicopter should not fly due to dynamics being all wrong,

Some still say that about bees, however like helicopters amazingly they do!

Deciphering The Mystery Of Bee Flight (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060111082100.htm)


You'll be telling me cats can't fly next :rolleyes:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/04/article-2154283-136EE5C9000005DC-120_634x423.jpg

Orvillecopter first flight march 9 2012 - YouTube

Cats away! Artist turns his dead pet into flying helicopter after it is killed by a car | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html)

agodesign
19th Jun 2012, 18:25
One basic reason the tail rotor is not right on the side of the fuselage, is that the thrust it would have to provide would require a giant rotor. By locating it further from the main rotor mast, it gives it a big arm, and can use less force to generate the same amount of thrust or anti torque at the main C.G.

Think of trying to open a car door right at the hinge not easy that is why the handles are on the opposite side of the door from the hinge.

Good question, I like the way you are thinking, we need more people to have these kinds of questions/ideas and together we can make an updated design for a helicopter, and keep improving! :ok:

Amatsu
19th Jun 2012, 19:05
Helicopter Engineers....... Thinking outside of the box?

ShyTorque
19th Jun 2012, 19:57
Of course sheds can be made to fly.

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/westland30_riepl_t.jpg

Savoia
19th Jun 2012, 21:19
I was wondering whether someone might raise the WG30 which, as many would know, was affectionately know as the 'Flying Shed'.

A slightly larger version of Shy's photo is here:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QaQvc1rLpUI/T-DnjdmRObI/AAAAAAAAJHQ/Ihr7Ny0Ko-Q/s817/WG+30+200+G-ELEC+Nevada+July+1985+%28Chris+Banyai-Riepl%29.jpg

unstable load
24th Jun 2012, 11:03
Westland seem to be on a roll with that shape.
Round the corners off slightly, alter a few cues and you have the 139....

P6 Driver
24th Jun 2012, 11:39
The boxy shape suits a few helicopter designs - am I the only one who found the WG-30 a very attractive aircraft?

Anthony Supplebottom
24th Jun 2012, 11:54
.. am I the only one who found the WG-30 a very attractive aircraft?

A very attractive aircraft? Yes, in that you are alone.