MOD Business Plan 2012-2015

[Lima Juliet]

Anyone interested in the current thinking on what will happen in UK Defence for the next 10-15 years? Read on http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/E230F167-8B95-4178-9393-AC3F588A583A/0/mod_bp_2012_2015_p1.pdf :eek:

Hot off the press dated 31 May 12...

LJ

[Milo Minderbinder]

well, the plans bolloxed before its begun
From page 2

"Our priorities for 2012/2013 reflect this vision. They are:
To succeed in Afghanistan – the main effort for the MOD.........."

Succeed at what?

[AdLib]

Priority 2: To continue to fulfil (sic) our standing commitments

Priority 2!

And my dictionary says 'fulfil' is the US version of fulfill. So who's commitments are we fulfiling exactly? And why aint it bleedin Priority 1 FFS. That document has to qualify as the most politically driven piece of merde since SDSR.

Oh Christ, I've become one of the crusty old moaners.

sorry

p.s the first person to quote Clauswitz gets a kick in the Hoden

[FantomZorbin]

"Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow but never jam today!" Rev Charles Dodgson :(

[Courtney Mil]

You have to love it when the priorities are all focussed on delivering savings, reports, restructuring, retiring platforms, reduce the number of Army personnel by around 20,000, etc. Whatever happened to 'capability' and 'operational effectiveness'?

I know it's a 'business plan' (since when were the Armed Forces businesses?), but instead of (for example) 'Deliver A400M Steering Committee annual review', shouldn't it be 'Deliver A400M'?

Insead of 'Take forward work to replace unprotected support vehicles with protected ones', why not 'Replace unprotected support vehicles with protected ones'. 'Take forward work' could mean simply deciding what colour to paint it.

There are some instances of 'Introduce xxx into service', which is good. Let's hope the openning words, 'This plan will be updated annually' doesn't mean what I think it means...:(

[tucumseh]

Courtney

Quite right.

When they say;

'Take forward work to replace unprotected support vehicles with protected ones'

What vehicles are they talking about? For example, the much vaunted Snatch was deemed unfit for purpose in N. Ireland about 14 years ago and the subject of an endorsed replacement programme, since cancelled (FNIPV). The very existence of this programme (ISD 2008) betrayed the lies when we were told it was fit for purpose in Iraq etc.


Also interesting to see the number of fraud cases reported, but not the action taken. Perhaps related to the Ministerial decisions that instructing someone to commit fraud is NOT an offence, but a refusal to commit fraud IS an offence. Must be very confusing for MoD plod.

[Courtney Mil]

Just what I was wondering, Tuc. As our youngest is off to AFG later this year as a relatively new Lt, I find the fact that they are at least PLANNING to take things forward very comforting.

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

Taking things forward would appear to also include scaling down the Army by 20,000 over the next 10 years which is just being announced on the BBC :(

[Pheasant]

At least it confirms Merlin Mk4 for the RN (ie Junglies)

[Jumping_Jack]

'Taking work forward' merely means that the MOD can't be taken to task for not delivering capability, upgrade or whatever! 'Taking work forward' can be as little as having another 'management meeting'. :ugh:

[Shackman]

For the Army, greater use of "Reserves and private contractors" - does that equal the Atholl Highlanders or perhaps an even more irregular 'Popski's Private Army'?

[ukcds]

Their's a plan !

[FATTER GATOR]

Page 4 'Departmental Responsibilities' has got Sir Stephen Dalton and Sir Stuart Peach listed as Air Marshal - they are both Air Chief Marshals.

[Widger]

New Employment Model
Future Accomodation Plan
Future Pension Scheme
Harmony Changes
Redundancy


All just some of the reasons I left and only now coming into the public/wider service domain.

[Rosevidney1]

Rearrange the following into a well known phrase or saying:

River been the down we've sold.

[ImageGear]

... "Smoke on, Mirrors go"

Imagegear

[Squirrel 41]

Ignoring the flimsy nature of the document, crassness of the decisions and the large number of mgtspk w@nk words, I saw this:

18 FE GR4s in 2015

2 Sqns? Thought that the whole 40 had survived to 2018?

S41

[JFZ90]

Is there much in the public domain on the "Combined Joint Expeditionary Force" to be set up with France?

EDIT ....some high level stuff :
Britain and France plan joint expeditionary force and carrier group | Atlantic Council (http://www.acus.org/natosource/britain-and-france-plan-joint-expeditionary-force-and-carrier-group)

Material Strategy - no dates.....

Lots of guff on reducing water use and greenhouse gas emissions with suppliers - its sad that this stuff achieves equal billing against 'real' outputs.

[Unchecked]

Never mind Merlin Mk4 to the RN - that's old news, you win, we're getting over it.

How about the

"switch to the STOVL variant of JCA"

"achieve Lightning II IOC for land-based operations"

"achieve Lightning II IOC for maritime based operations"

All within the RAF section of the document. Is that enough to make you weep ?

[Heathrow Harry]

It looks as if someone has quickly cobbled together a number of slides from various PowerPoints so the politicians have something to release

If that was done by anyone with more than a couple of GCSE's they should be run off

[StopStart]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/judgesaw/90b5d168.jpg

[althenick]

How about the

"switch to the STOVL variant of JCA"

"achieve Lightning II IOC for land-based operations"

"achieve Lightning II IOC for maritime based operations"

All within the RAF section of the document. Is that enough to make you weep ?

Sad but where else would it be? Its an RAF aircraft that will be flown by RN and RAF aircrew.

[melmothtw]

Ignoring the flimsy nature of the document, crassness of the decisions and the large number of mgtspk w@nk words, I saw this:

18 FE GR4s in 2015

2 Sqns? Thought that the whole 40 had survived to 2018?

S41


'Force elements' (FE) are the aircraft required to sustain ongoing operations plus a number held in readiness to deploy in the event of a crisis.

1 FE does not equal 1 aircraft, and so 18 FEs does not equal 2 squadrons of aircraft.


As it currently takes 108 GR.4 aircraft to sustain 40 FEs, the reduction to 18 FEs indicates a drawdown in the total fleet size to 49 aircraft.

[Squirrel 41]

Ok, if it is FE@R, then understood.

Thanks,

S41