25th May 2012, 16:46
I have an interview coming up in the next few weeks with an airline I've long harboured ambitions to fly for. For me this is the big one, and hopefully if I'm successful it will be the last career move I make.
I am currently flying for an airline on my FAA licence. My JAA licence is still valid until next year, but my last JAA type rating (and thus IR) lapsed earlier this year. Would I be able to start a new type rating based on the fact that I do not currently have an IR or type rating that is current? I have two lapsed type ratings on my UK licence.
Thanks in advance.
25th May 2012, 20:51
When you say the type rating and IR lapsed earlier this year what do you mean. If it's just a year and a bit since your last JAA OPC i would say no problem. If however it's more than five years since the OPC renewal was due you have a problem.
If you are out of the five years you will have to pass the initial IR flight test again with a board examiner. Let it get to seven years and you have to do the written exams again too. To keep your JAA licence current, you could do this by passing a flight test in a group A aircraft like a piper or cesna. Any training would be to the requirement laid out by the training organisation. You also face the situation that JAA is gone and it's now EASA. They don't even know themselves yet what problems this may cause you.
25th May 2012, 23:53
My type rating lapsed just over a year ago, so going by that I think I should be fine. Thanks for your help.
26th May 2012, 06:11
I think I should be fineI would make sure, do not just assume using advice gained on PPRUNE
LASORS is your friend.:ok:
According to the version of LASORS I found on the internet (therefore it may notbe the most up to date version) the following should be true. I would however suggest an e-mail to Flight Crewe Licensing asking them to clarify the situation. State that you have read the appropriate part of LASORS but you are still unclear on the situation and would like confirmation. If you do not tell them you have looked in LASORS they just send back an e-mail telling you to do so.
I assume you are interested in gaining a MPA type rating with your potential new employer. If you have previously held a MPA type rating then the lapsed IR is not a problem. If it is to be your first MPA then you may have to renew your IR before starting the course.
LASORS Section F 4.1 b
Hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument rating (Aeroplanes). This requirement applies to a first MPA type rating. For subsequent type ratings the instrument rating may be renewed if necessary during the type rating skill test.
Of course EASA further muddies the waters.
I wish I could find my for ever job! I thought I did have it till I was made redundant.:ouch:
26th May 2012, 10:03
Council Van - you obviously haven't asked FCL4 for advice in a long time. Speaking from experience, If you ask the CAA to clarify anything these days you will only be told to look at LASORS. Half the staff in there either don't have a clue or don't give a dam! Recently i did exactly what you suggest to EMB and they just kept refering me to LASORS. After several months (each reply from them takes weeks) They eventually confirmed the requirements. I had in fact over the prolonged period discovered that what they said was completely wrong.
I e-mailed back telling them this and got a reply within 30 minutes from someone that knew what they were talking about and gave the correct information. As far as info on EASA, god help us!
26th May 2012, 10:12
4 years ago was the last time I asked.
State that you have read the appropriate part of LASORS but
you are still unclear on the situation and would like confirmation
No harm in trying to get clarification.
26th May 2012, 10:18
But no guarantee that what they say is in fact correct. It's up to you to sort out what you can do. They don't want to commit themselves in case their wrong. It's not like the old days, but hey, ask them by all means but if i were you i would read LASORS and make up your own mind.