Hi all, what is year 1 Ryanair FO pay and year 1 Captains pay? Thanks

Year 1 FO pay? You got that backwards, you pay them.

Depends on: if you are a contractor or permanent, which contractor if the second case applies and which contract in the first case, which base you are in, which of the various pay scales you're on, if you get sent out of base ,on how many unpaid standbys you get and much more.
Anyway you look at it you get pad well below industry standard and have absolutely no benefits.

And then you´ll be on 21,500€ a year on a permanent contract, if you get one that is.

irishpilot1990 That isn't correct at all.....a 10 year Capt makes less then a brand new one, as he's probably switched base 3 or 4 times, taking a 10% pay cut on their basic salary each time :ok:

Fo pay is 20000 basic
cpt pay is 40000 basic

yes widered is correct. I am one of the poor unfortunates here, trying to leave.

trying to leave.
You and your colleagues better hurry, or you will have the same disgraceful T&C at your next airline. As you may have noticed, others are lowering their cost base to FR levels by screwing over their workforce.

Or perhaps they will now appreciate what a disservice Ryanair have done to the industry, which is irreversible? Whilst I appreciate that working for Ryanair must be deeply unpleasant, you all chose to do it knowing what MOL was like, and what their capacity for vindictive actions towards flight crew would be.

If you are a contractor on the new FO contract and you do 700 hours you will be netting 46707 euros on the top rate(78.50). But thats it, no sick pay or security. On average an FO in Ryanair does that amount of hours. However last year I did close to 900 and was on 71.50 per hour which is the medium rate. That worked out at 53k euros take home after paying 15 percent tax. It works for me at the moment but the trouble is for how long?:ugh:

To sum up. This company is about getting your hours and getting out. Getting a quick command and then heading far east perhaps also.

But IMHO it isnt a career airline anymore. There is simply no stability.

What is it with this company ?
Today in less tha two hours there were SIX Ryanairs hailed on 121.5 for F....up and not beeing on their frequencies.
Or is it MoLs private frequency now ?

It is to do with their briefings.

To satisfy the RYR lawyers at the enquiry, the pilots must mention absolutely every single detail of their proposed approach in the briefing, including the words ' threat error management'! I kid you not. If they are to have any chance of a visual approach, that must be briefed separately in a 'double brief' which states where and when you will select flaps, gear etc.

All of this verbose briefing takes a very long time and must be on the CVR. They tend to focus on that and therefore the RT is missed and/or ignored. They also think the daft SOP calls take priority over RT and often 'step on' RT clearances or frequency changes.

Whenever they are not talking the aircraft into submission, they are pestering ATC for directs etc. A friend of mine at Eurocontrol tells me the new ATC guys are being trained to filter out extraeanous transmissions such as these and guess which airline is the major culprit.

Not bad, paying 15 percert taxes for almost 70000euro gross income???? Where te hell is that? I wonder what you guys are going to do when you have to pay according to you base tax regulator .......it sound to me where I live....ummmm close to 40 percent......:ugh:

In my daily experience, 9 out of 10 requests for direct routeings, wx's at destination and what have you, are from FR. I remember that a couple of years back I made a comment to my colleague on the flight deck about FR pilots always asking for something. My personal impression is that these guys are under constant pressure from o'leary and his cronies.

EUR40k a year for left seat? Is that a misprint? The girls in the back with us make more then that.

Have to agree with Coppi, it's always the FR guys asking!

Dear God; this is boring. Does anyone really care? Have we not heard this before a hundred times over?

We constantly ask fow WX because we don't have ACARS (too expensive for a comoany that makes 600million net profit) so we have no access to any kind of dinamically changing piece of info, moreover we are discouraged to stay off the radio listening to VOLMETS because of the frequent LOSTCOMMS that have and continue to happen to our aircraft.
Additionally we often ask twice for the QNH setting because our dumb SOPs require you not only to double brief a non precision approach but also to double check the QNH (with ACARS you can just print it and read it).
Of course many of us also ask for higher levels because we don't have tactical flight planning but simple repetitive flight plans (too expensive just like ACARS) and for short cuts because in many bases you get a personal letter if you don't save enough fuel (calculations based on no scientific criteria because they don't take into account a holdings or diversions for instance).
As far as $$ is concerned you can summarize it in about 6000/6500€ for Captains (net and without any benefits) for an average of 75/80 hours/month and 3000/3500€ for F/Os for 75/80 hours (net and without any benefit).
The numbers above are to be multiplied by 10.5 months because during your 1.5 months of annual leave (to be taken only in the winter months) you will not be paid a penny since you only get the $$ of you fly.

EUR40k a year for left seat? Is that a misprint? The girls in the back with us make more then that.

That´s it 40K on a FR contract, the CC are getting 700€-1100€ net when they work. But some of them get forced unpaid leave for three months a year having to claim from government money.

This is not a joke.

What is the situation with the tax man these days?

I fly for RYR.

I ask for higher levels as I can save fuel by doing so. I would not bother asking if the answer was always no (it is not).

I ask for directs as it saves fuel and time. I would not bother asking if the answer was always no (it is not), or if everyone was like the French and automatically offered the best routings without being asked.

For as long as there is a benefit in asking for these two things I will continue to ask for them, with the appropriate courtesy in the question, and with the appropriate gratitude to the controller for considering my request (regardless of outcome). Is that really so wrong?

I couldn't agree more WallyWumpus! I rarely ask for shortcuts because London, Maastricht, Rhine, Padova, Brest and Bordeaux offer excellent directs on every flight. If asked, they also respond to requests with the courtesy and honesty with which the request was made.

I don't see the problem and am baffled by the attitude of fellow professionals to our requests.

I fly for RYR.

I ask for higher levels as I can save fuel by doing so.

Firstly, my condolences.

Secondly, no not always.

Flew with an FR captain who took home €100k after tax last year. I think that is the norm.

That's NOT the norm:
-permanent Captains on FR contracts make 6000 net
-Captains on the new BRK deal (the one before the LTD where they pay tax in Ireland) make around 6000 net
-Captains on the old BRK deal (being replaced by the new LTD one as we speak) make 135€/scheduled hour so 135x75hours/month=10.125€x10.5 months=106.312€ per year GROSS, now you can add to it maybe 10.000€/year because they fly close to 900 hours sched which gives you 116.000 GROSS.(subtract tax if they pay it at all, social security if they pay it at all,pension, medical,car park,IDs,uniforms, hotels....)
-Captains on the latest Storm contract earn 125€/hour GROSS and the rest is just as above

Does it have to do with the fact that maybe FR has about 800 A/C movements per day?

MPH,

southwest has twice the number of a/c but you don't hear them constantly asking for weather or higher levels, same applies to LH or other big outfits that plan their flights at the optimum levels and use acars to gather info without congesting the air ways.

The world of aviation goes well beyond ryanir.

According to Dannyallgia, F/O earns 3500 euros (max) X 10.5 months = 36750 euros per year (£29772). A friend of mine worked for Ryanair 15 years ago as an F/O and was on approximately £45k. A £1015 pay cut every year. So, by April 2041 by my calculations, you'll be earning absolutely nothing, zero, zip, nada. Join a feckin union, jesus. :ugh:

Year two Capt (RYR employee) - €62,000 salary.
60 hour month, take home after pension: €4700 = c£3800. Decreasing every month with a strengthening pound.
Weekly commute home.
Desert-bound.

southwest has twice the number of a/c but you don't hear them constantly asking for weather or higher levels, same applies to LH or other big outfits that plan their flights at the optimum levels and use acars to gather info without congesting the air ways.

That's because in the US pilots from every form of creation can obtain wx via FSS or Flight Watch... something I availed myself, because I was too damn lazy to use ACARS. Too bad in Euroland, Zurich is one of the only stations one can obtain weather at destinations and conditions around the region.

On my transcon flights I've heard numerous carriers request higher and directs, including SW with their twice as many aircraft as FR too.

Another good one I heard a couple of days ago:
ATC: "FR1234 are you aware that your destination aerodrome is closed?"
FR: "What is the reason for the closure?"
ATC: "The reason is blablabla..., how do you wish to proceed?"
FR: "It is ok, we will continue and we will make a decision with the next sector"
Is it just me that I find such a dialogue a bit surreal?
Not a hit towards FR pilots, I have friends there, but this reflects on the FR operation methinks. It all smacks of money saving, which must make life extremely unpleasant for their pilots.

I would sooner be at FR in the short term than Flybe any day. I left FR a while back for pastures new. I wouldnt of had the same opportunity if I was working at Flybe.

As for your little dig at Wally.

Grow up!:D

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I would sooner be at FR in the short term than Flybe any day.

I would sooner be in A & E with a wire brush up my ar$e!

An FO with 2000 hrs can expect to earn €65k before tax. Not great, especially as he or she won't get any benefits.

65k? Not great? What kind of world do you live in?

I think I'm either extremely poor or you have a relative who's the CEO of a bank.

With that money I'll buy my own benefits!!

Coppi - what would you have done? I'm not exactly sure why you think that a decision to spend some time thinking about their decision was not good enough?

totally fail to see your point Coppi, just another poor piece of RYR bashing (hate to actually stand up for them!).

If the destination is closed then they ll end up going to an alternate so more than likely the next sector ATC sector is enroute anyway. Why would rush a decision like that anyway!

As for the rest of the thread, the nature of RYR operations ie using smaller airfields, there are bound to be more requests for weather as many of the airports don't have an ATIS or appear on Volmets and have higher minimums and as such as more susceptible to poor weather.

Coppi:

Are you telling me that if I were on a flight from JFK to LHR and Gander told me at 30 West that LHR was closed, I should go back to JFK?

Sorry son, I will keep going and discuss with the next authority (Shanwick) of the options such as Shannon, Dublin, Belfast, Manchester, Prestwick, Stansted, Machrihanish (just to show you that I can spell it) etc etc.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Bengerman, your post might just be the funniest thing I have ever heard. LMFAO. Pity its true!

I would sooner be at FR in the short term than Flybe any day. I left FR a while back for pastures new. I wouldnt of had the same opportunity if I was working at Flybe.

As for your little dig at Wally.

Grow up!:D

Antonov, good for you. I wouldn't HAVE had the same opportunity, by the way.

What's Flybe got to do with it?

As for my little dig at Wally. No idea what you're on about.

Several of you guys missed my point which is probably my fault, as I wasn't very clear about it.
My comment was unrelated to the captain's decision to postpone his decision for later. It was about a crew being sent by their company to a closed aerodrome and about the lack of operational information given by FR to their crew. Maybe it is considered a normal occurrence in some airlines, but I luckily haven't been faced with such a problem yet.
Again, I will say that this reflects on the FR operation, the aerodromes that they operate to and the difficult working environment for their crews.

Coppi,

I am sorry if I missed the details in a post - but what makes you think the aerodrome was closed at the time the crew set-off? Is it not possible that it was closed for some reason after they got airborne?

Antonov,

Thank you for gallantly rushing to my defence, but I am sure that LSM's "condolences" comment was tongue in cheek and humorous, and not said with any malice. We say the same about Easyjet crew when we see them, it is just gentle ribbing, nothing nefarious.

Wally thanks for keeping your sense of humour*, not often found on this 'ere board.

My second comment was intend to produce debate, that didn't work either!







* Even though you do work for Ryanair.

Coppi is almost describing a flight a friend of mine did to Marrakesh (I believe it was there) not too long ago.

On speaking with Casablanca they were told it was closed due to an air show, they asked if it was NOTAM'd as being closed, to which they already knew the answer (no it wasn't!). The continued, and landed as part of the airshow after a short delay. :ok:

Coppi, you need to get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions based on you listening to a little bit of ATC.

The conversation I heard was with Brest ATC, so it must have been another event.
Seems it happens to FR more often than I thought then.
And fwiw, I didn't jump to any conclusions only that life must be frustrating at times for FR pilots, due to the manner in which their company chooses to equip it's aeroplanes, conduct it's ops and it's choice of aerodromes.
At some point I will stop replying, cause I am quite busy in general and have better things to do, no offense.:)
If you guys are happy at FR all the better, enjoy!

Yea, MAYBEPILOT and in a country which is, three times bigger (at least) than Europe. And yes, in the USA controlers seem more apt at giving directs and generaly, facilitating requests!!! So, no comparison I am afraid!!

At FR we are home everynight. We rarely fly past midnight. We are rarely called to work on our days off. It's a perfect place to be in aviation and raise a family.

Personally I'm on a floating contract and that suits us the best at the moment for our lifestyle. So my gross salary is under €145,000 per year. I work 5 days on earlies and 5 days off then 5 lates...then a repeating pattern and so on.

All the the operational decisions are made by us on day to day basis as we are not in constant contact with ops while airborne. Unless we call them.

We are also soon to get acars, and inevitably your ears will be silent my fellow aviators from the daily 1700 flights that FR conduct at our peak summer by our 300 aircraft, for requests of weather and direct routings etc...

Murray,

So you are on a floating contract? Do you have a base? Because by EU OPS your employer should give you one, read chapter 7 and inform yourself about the latest EU decision on basing and national insurance.
Ah and don't tell me your base is what comes out on your roster every Friday because that's not what EU OPS define as a base.
So you are on 145.000 GROSS?How much tax do you pay on that? How much money do you spend on hotels, meals and commuting?How about loss of license? Pension?Medical insurance?
Let's say you get rostered out of EMA for a week right when the bike race is on (happened to a colleague) and every hotel/b&b is fully booked for that period? How will the company assist you? Will you end up 50 miles away and renting a car like the guy in question had to do? Will the company help in any way?
And how about your off days? If you live in e UK and get rostered for a week of earlies in the canary islands or the south of europe when will you commute?What if there are no direct FR flights between the place you live and the place you are supposed to report for work? Will you have to travel in your off time for hours and change planes with no guarantee of a jump seat ( it doesn't usually happen but it could)?
How about your contract renewal? Are you setting up an LTD?Where? Maybe dodging the tax somewhere in Malta or Cyprus?How will your ltd deal with the new EU regulation on social security that states that you must have a specified base where you are liable?Do you know that many countries will not allow a company to operate on their soil while paying corporate tax offshore?
What happens to you if you get sick? FR will not pay you a dime but your ltd will still be liable to pay social security in the country you are based because it must guarantee the employee ( yourself) that he doesn't starve to death.
These are just a few questions that popped up in my mind reading your superficial and short sighted post.
Sometimes I think you guys are just plain and simple button pushers and that we deserve that a mediocre and unethical management treats inferior beings like you the way they do.

This rubbish company is a pain for the industry.

And some of their rubbish employees are pretending they're very happy :ugh:

Wow I must have ruffled a few feathers here fellows?

I am more than happy where I am and by the sound of things, has anyone of you failed a Ryanair selection?

I like the bit about the "button pusher"...with the quality of training we have and the company back up when genuinely sick is of equal to if not better than any other company. Just read on Terms and Endearment about our TRE who had a stroke.

Our ops is very superior and the range of airports we fly to are more than complex, so we are very honed on what we do.

As to the financial side of things, yes I do pay tax and my own hotels, meals, uniform etc...in all the years I've never had a problem with connecting to a destination and also finding hotels.

I wish you all the best of luck and I wish you all to earn more money than what we get here.

Murray NN,

You are deluded. To suggest that:

1) Your wages are good - absolutely no package to speak of at all, and;

2) That just because people point this out to you, they must have failed a Ryanair selection.

You are symptomatic of the disease that is the apathy inside Ryanair. A cancer (probably literally in the end) to yourself and others in this industry. A wallflower, too scared to stand up for better T & C's - even though you understand that you need them, but can't admit it openly.

Even on the most conservative scale, here is what it must cost you to go to work annually:

1) Uniform : £100
2) Car parks : £200
3) Crew meals : £1500
4) Loss of Licence : £300 - 500
5) Pension : £ 6000
6) Accommodation when at work: £3500
7) Income protection : £1500
8) Transport at your non - base : £1000
9) Medical : £250
10) Simulator: £1000

If you take this approximate £15,500/Euro 18,500 from your headline pay, it starts to bite a little.

Add to that fact, that only an imbecile would consider £6000 a year as sufficient pension contributions considering the extraordinarily low annuity rates you will receive upon retirement.

I'd say you're on a crap deal in all honesty.

Without boasting, I work 2 weeks on/off. Have my roster fixed like that for eternity. My basic pay is circa £80,000 plus a further £10,000 to cover any per diems. But, if I need more, the company credit card picks up the slack. 5* hotels down route. Don't fancy driving to work because it's a late start/long haul etc, then get a cab - company paid. Feel tired after work? Go to the hotel - company paid, or get a cab - yep, you guessed it, company paid. Crew meal? Well, the girls ask us what we want and source it for us every time.

Pension? Yes, we have a company scheme.
Death in service benefits? Yes, 4 x salary.
Private medical for you and family? Yes.
Downroute medical? Yes.
Bonus? 41% of salary last year.

Now, I know that I am extremely fortunate, and that not many jobs are like mine. But to suggest that your floating base, "contractor" status is good, is frankly risible.

I think I forgot to mention that we also don't fly on Saturdays - ever. Therefore, 95% of weekends are at home - off duty.

If I were you, I'd think again about that "sweet deal" you're on.:eek:

Finally, for the avoidance of doubt, I have never applied to fly for Ryanair. Do you think I should?

Narrow Runway,

I've simply stated the facts.

I never implied that I am on a great deal...I merely said what I earned and how it suits our lifestyle.

It seems by the numbers you quote about your income you earn much more than I am, and at the end of the day what matters for you maybe one thing than what maybe essential for me.

I am more than happy and congratulate you on your grander pay and package at your biz company. Considering the current climate of aviation and companies going bust for spending way too much, for example 41% bonus pay? I would rather be employed by a company that has around 3 billion Euros in the bank and will be around for some time to come than get the short term bonuses etc. Whichever rocks your boat.

Murray,

It is not about congratulating anyone, or who gets paid more.

The bottom line is that respect has been taken from our profession.

Ryanair could be a far better place than it is. And it should be. It makes money, but acts like a dictatorship.

I did read about the TRE who had a stroke. It was good to hear that he has been looked after.

However, that shouldn't be a story. It should be a condition of service.

For the TRE, it worked out. However, for others, including an LTC at Ryanair whose wife also works there it is different. She can't work after a serious accident. Guess what - no pay.

In closing, you earn a decent wage. At least by the man in the streets view - but it could be, and should be, so much better.

Narrow Runway,

I fully agree with you with regards to the lack of respect.

It really pisses me off when people say I earn a good wage and yet they've never really worked for a "proper" company that genuinely cares about their employees wellbeing etc.

There is lots of things that could be improved in Ryanair, for example when the CEO of Southwest resigned in the US all the pilots chipped some money together and bought him a custom made Harley for his retirement. Now when MOL resigns, do you think we will be doing this? No way...and the reason is because we are a copy of Southwest but never the same in treating us all with respect. I believe this will bite our company the hardest when we eventually get together and become unionised. Our company is simply getting too big for itself to handle itself, thats the biggest financial risk that I foresee for us in the near future.

Murray is clearly a management mole and is here to take the p out of us.

If not he is a total "company man" wonker and I hope I never have the pleasure of flying with him........

At FR we are home everynight. We rarely fly past midnight. We are rarely called to work on our days off. It's a perfect place to be in aviation and raise a family.

Personally I'm on a floating contract and that suits us the best at the moment for our lifestyle. So my gross salary is under €145,000 per year. I work 5 days on earlies and 5 days off then 5 lates...then a repeating pattern and so on.



1. No, you are in any given Ryanair base every night. Last summer, "home" as you refer to it, was 10 nights in STN, 5 nights in MAD, 5 nights in EDI, 5 nights in LPL, 5 nights in LPA, 10 nights in OPO and 1 night in BOH. And guess what... not one of those bases has a direct flight from my base.

2. When you have to get up at 5am, have a wash and a shave, turn up at your base in your uniform, go through security, get a boarding card, board last, sit in the middle seat for 3 hours between an obese, flatulant tourist and a gobby know it all who talks to you endless about aviation (you will have to do all this TWICE unless you are lucky enough to opperating out of a base with direct flights to your home base), then get to the other end, trawl your way to an Etap, Formule 1 or other sorry excuse for a hotel, then sit there scratching your backside for the rest of the afternoon... that is not a day off.

I lost 18 days off last summer doing that. Your 5/5 roster in reality is nearer to a 6/4 or even a 7/3 depending on how difficult the base you are positioning to is and where you live.

Perhaps Leo is stirring things up on under a new guise.

Does it matter? It is all bloody boring. I keep hoping to see something new but it is always the same old regurgitated crap. Can't anyone out there come up with something new that has more than a 0.00001% chance of working?

Murray murray murray,
I did not fail FR selection (if you want to call it that), stayed with them for quite a while. Left for greener grass with another Loco, now I am on salary of about E75K + approx 15K per diem, industry leading LOL, acceptable pension, 5on-4off, well equipped ships, health insurance, respect from managment, and I am just an FO:D

Murray, you think youre on a good deal, that could be because you never have seen a good deal:ouch:!

CP's: can expect between 70% and 75% of their income

Captains can expect what they like. What they will actually get is nearer to 50%. Only when expenses are submitted will the retention improve slightly, but you have already spent that money.

Now take off pension, LOL, life insurance, sick pay, uniform, medical, sim etc etc, and the crap euro exchange, and it's not so rosy.

4 pages of briefing for departure and 3 pages for arrival (Boeing: 1 page) and a 181 page(!) SOP manual. And it's all got to be done every time, and no, there's no official shorthand way of doing it "on the line" as earlier stated.

More money lost when you go N/A because you missed a couple of radio calls, or forgot to shut a security door behind you, or busted a noise route, or crashed the aircraft. I am not being flippant here, there is no prioritisation of naughtiness, a violation is a violation.

I have worked at many airlines, unlike most of the guys who seem resigned to their RYR fate, and what is missing is the mix of words like "must", "should", "normally", and the dreaded "airmanship".

I got out, and haven't looked back, even if I do miss the shiny new aircraft, and working with some good people (once the door is closed).

Still, there's good people everywhere, and those aircraft will get less shiny as the next few years go by...

I got out, and haven't looked back, even if I do miss the shiny new aircraft, and working with some good people (once the door is closed).

16024, me too - never felt better!

There are some really good people in Ryanair but, for me, I could only distance myself from the "ethics" of the Company and the way they treated staff on certain occasions for so long!

Ryanair is a dim and distant memory….over 4 years now thank god.

I have NEVER looked back, I have more free time a better quality of life, get treated like a human being and earn more money now than I ever did in 6 years with FR….

FR grind you down and give you the illusion that your worthless and you can't do better…you can!

Thank and pleasure to those whom are happy and enjoying themselves in better and other companies!

Im happy here and when I say this please dont make it feel like "a ryanair bashing".

Enjoy and I wish you better prospects for everyone.

Happy flighting.

I failed my command sim with Andy O'Shea 15 years ago - best thing that could have happened to me because I resigned a week later and have never looked back. Nasty, nasty company but wannabes are still queuing up to join. :ugh:

Lord Amberden,

I fully admit to knowing nothing of your personal circumstances, but as a former employee did you not queue up to join once upon a time?

EK

No I didn't, I was '200 rated and they snapped me up.;)

The money was good then, £164 "tax free" in sector pay for a four sector day. My mates that stayed wish they hadn't.

Fair enough. Perhaps you weren't a wannabe but they offerd you the best deal at the time. And you took it even though I'm sure they had a poor reputation even then.

I suppose my point is that you can't really blame wannabes for queing around the block for the best (only) offer on the table. Even if it is crap.

I'm genuinely glad you found a better place. And I'm only a little bit jealous!

EK

Thanks EK, much appreciated. I'm at EZY now and generally things couldn't be much better (for me, but not our cadets unfortunately) but Mr Brady is doing his best to Ryanise us, with the connivance of Balpa regrettably.

I've got 12 years left, love the job more than ever, but I fear for the future if the greedy self serving, short term, bonus obsessed managers have their way. :{

But let´s not forget the social security also, as of June or July this year we need to pay social security where we are based. In Italy it is 34%.

To calculate a net salary using Italy as an example of the base of the pilot and for simplicity use 100.000€ gross income this is what it will look like.

Social security:

100.000€ Gross*34% Social Security (*0,34)=66.000€

Then we deduct:

Tax at 35% so 66.000€*0,35=42.900€

Divide that with twelve and we get 3575€.

We haven´t even included the cost of
Pension, Loss of licence, Medical checks, Food, Water, Licence fees, Parking, id´s etc

I'm currently doing my last 5 subjects for my ATPL's and after that I will carry on to do my MEIR and MCC....
When I have finished all my training and start looking for a job would Ryanair be the only company to even consider looking at my CV??
I see a lot of people complaining about Ryanair but it doesn't look like many other companies are employing low hour pilots like myself.
I'm a male,21,200h(when I complete my training)would Ryanair employ me with that ?

look forward to hear your replies.:)

Shoeless,

Short answer, yes. But please search this forum. There are thousands of pages on Ryanair recruitment.

Pablo,

Is that right? You pay 57% tax in Italy? That is the highest rate of tax in the World. :confused:

1. No, you are in any given Ryanair base every night. Last summer, "home" as you refer to it, was 10 nights in STN, 5 nights in MAD, 5 nights in EDI, 5 nights in LPL, 5 nights in LPA, 10 nights in OPO and 1 night in BOH. And guess what... not one of those bases has a direct flight from my base.

......... trawl your way to an Etap, Formule 1 or other sorry excuse for a hotel, .....
So, if a pilot is on a floating contract who pays for the hotel?

They won't I bet, never did with me or anyone else I know, shiny new license is the requirement

As for hotels floating, you get €20 extra per schedule block hour, ie 6 hours flying = €120 extra for expenses

And they are not all Etap and crap, I stay in some really nice hotels floating, but like anywhere in any airline there are rough with the smooth

Thanks zero.

Shoeless, as far as I can tell, as long as you've passed the exams, you'll be fine..

Also does anyone know that if it is possible to pay for the TR in small installments or does Ryanair want the 30k in full before you start?:)

Full 30k

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Hi Guys anyone who is considering joining Ryanair be warned cadets on line training are being turfed out after paying 30k with no job.
16 contracters where sacked last September. you dont come into this airline with security. Is too much of a risk?

Not quite a fairy tale but not completely true either. The 16 "no longer required" were let go over an issue over Spanish I D's. They don't just take your cash and get rid of you, that would be ridiculous. You will be chopped however very quickly if either you can't cut it, or step out of line!

Congrats to RYR on their profits up 25%. You should all look forward to some pay rises...

Woosh!!!!.... gosh there is another squadron of flying pigs; and green ones too.

It is difficult to feel sympathy for Ryanair pilots given the fact they actively turned down the advances of BALPA, despite countless warnings of what would happen to their terms and conditions. Now, surprise, surprise you find yourselves working for unscrupulous employers who are making millions while you take year-on-year pay cuts with no security of employment. The only difference between us at easyJet and you guys at Ryanair is BALPA, warts and all. Taken as a whole, despite all the same issues you face, we are in a way better position simply because of BALPA. What did you think was going to happen when you turned BALPA away? I have to say that it was an act of professional suicide, albeit a slow and painful one.

It's easy to go on about BALPA and question why Ryanair pilots have failed to unionise but the answer is simple. Most airlines such as easyJet, Jet2 etc are full of British pilots for whom BALPA unionisation would make complete sense. At Ryanair, there is an enormous mix of nationalities and no individual union (such as BALPA or their Irish / Spanish / Italian / French / German / Swiss / Turkish / Brazilian equivalent) has enough to offer Ryanair pilots as a united group.

Ryanair purposefully base UK Captains abroad in a wide variety of countries, base Italians in Latvia/Poland/Canaries, Spanish pilots in Germany/Ireland/UK etc etc which makes unionising far far harder. Comparing easyJet with Ryanair when it comes to ease of unionising is like comparing apples with oranges - it's a totally different scenario.

A quick example. If every British easyJet pilot went on strike tomorrow, the airline would be virtually grounded. If every British Ryanair pilot went on strike tomorrow, probably about 80% of the operation would continue unscathed.

Profits to fall? Well they went up 25% so that'll make up for it.

Their warning of profits to fall is probably bullcrap, it's probably a PR stunt so RYR staff don't kick up a fuss and demand pay rise.

Shoeless

If you are Irish you may have a problem getting in at the moment. Rumour has it they are not taking any locals at the moment.

No "properly" set up airline will EVER post a significant profit.
that is because the airplanes dont belong to the airline but to a leasing company wich in turn belongs to the owners of the airline and ist normaly based in a tax oasis.
Should the situation arise where the airline is "in danger" of posting a profit, the leases will be uped to siphon off the money...

You may be correct in principle. However, you need to balance that with the shareholders requirement to make money out of their shares!

Pablo,

Is that right? You pay 57% tax in Italy? That is the highest rate of tax in the World.

It is difficult to say exactly Mike, but the social security is around 25% if you are able to claim successfully you are self employed, if not it goes up to 30%. And when social security is paid and if you have more than 75.000€ left the rate is 43% (i dont know if it is progressive or not though) of the remainder. Italy is expensive but not as expensive as for example Denmark Norway and the rest of Scandiland where the rates are even higher.

The memo is probably one of the most pathetic and superficial pieces of crap I have ever seen from FR.
It would take a little kid to prove their ignorance when it comes to labor law, rights and social security issues since they have obviously no idea whatsoever of what are the LAWS in many countries where they have based crews.
Fun times ahead...

And so the bullshit begins, we've heard it all before about the lunchers and ialpa the air lingus association.

To any new guys in the company, don't take any notice of these propaganda lies.

Just saw the memo about the ECA. I think they are on the backfoot now. Looking forward to see what my collegues think of this tomorrow morning. Amused springs to mind.

Agree the ECA and IALPA are definitelty having an affect on this trashy management..

All Ryanair pilots now is the time to get a better contract... worker power.!

FOR A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND FAIR TERMS AND CONDITIONS THEY WONT COME TO YOU ANY OTHER WAY!

JOIN IALPA!

unless you want to work part time and on social welfare hand outs in the not too distant future..

WE DID THIS !

Anyone on a UK salary thinking of doing the command upgrade would be advised to think twice before taking a pay cut. The euro contract (for new upgrades) and exchange rate would ensure you do. What a farce.