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1st May 2012, 16:15
From the easyJet recruitment webpage:
Equal Opportunity and Fair Treatment
easyJet is committed to being an equal opportunities employer as we wish to encourage all our employees to make the best use of their skills and experience. Our policy aims to ensure that no job applicant or employee receives less favourable treatment. We will treat staff, potential staff and the public that we serve fairly and with dignity.
We are looking for highly talented pilots that will have a good cultural fit with easyJet. You must possess personality, integrity and display exceptional levels of professionalism and customer service. If you’re looking to join an Airline that values its pilots, has exceptional training and opportunities whilst offering superb rewards and benefits then you will find all the information you need by clicking on one of the links below.
So, I'm highly talented, and I'm experienced, (just not on an Airbus). My current employer has never had any trouble from me. I've got 3200 hours experience flying around Europe including 5 winters and have 4200 hours total time. I know easyJet don't owe me anything, but why oh why can I not even apply to join them?
How can experienced FOs not be eligible to apply to easyJet? How can this be in accordance with their equal ops statement? In order to apply I would have to hide all my flying experience, and stump up 10s of thousands of pounds. I really thought all of this was going to change 2 or 3 years ago but its just seems an unbreakable trend. In fact, even if I had the money to spend on a type rating they still make it difficult and convoluted, as far as I can tell from the CTC website they still make you do an advanced jet course and MCC again as part of selection and of course you have to pay for that privilege. All I would like to see is a return of the TRSS scheme, that would do me, but I can't see that coming back.
1st May 2012, 16:30
You've answered your own question, they're want to spend as little on the training to get you on the line. No type rating = higher training cost, and since it's a business it's the bottom line that counts. No TR or no money = no chance, sorry nothing personal, it's just the way the industry is at the moment. Its a sh1t situation in the industry but unfortunately too many of our colleagues are willing to spend tens of thousands to get a jump up the ladder :confused:
1st May 2012, 16:33
I really for you, as I do many good people I fly with who cannot progress due to this situation where people are paying to do the job. I, m afraid I don,t see this changing in the near future if ever, unless these pay to fly people are involved in a hull loss(heaven forbid).
It is a strange world. I hear a lot of fresh young guys complaining they dont find any chance, but opposite i hear also ( me included) that experienced people also dont get a shot. It is a paradox. Ans yes i'm fed up with this. At the moment i'm looking for a new job outside aviation. I dont know any industry which is so crazy and frustrating as this one. Strange, but somehow i'm hoping to find a new start and leave this madness behind. Never thought that my aviation career would end like this. (ow yeah, i'm still employed as pilot)
1st May 2012, 18:40
It's all about money.
Money. Profit. Boardroom Bonuses.
They don't care about you or your experience. You're too expensive.
It stinks. Sorry, but that's the truth of it.
1st May 2012, 19:06
i'm fed up with this. At the moment i'm looking for a new job outside aviation
If only the wannabes could hear just how many current pilots say this. I hear the same thing said by a surprising number of colleagues. Many people talk of early retirement even though they can't afford to retire financially, while others hope their small self-run business will grow big enough so they can give up flying. Granted, that's just talk, but it shows the low morale some guys have.
1st May 2012, 19:15
At the moment i'm looking for a new job outside aviation. I dont know any industry which is so crazy and frustrating as this one. Strange, but somehow i'm hoping to find a new start and leave this madness behind. Come and join us!! Just 35 hrs a week, no Sundays, roster confirmed six months ahead, the ability to swap days as you want. £45k basic, work your Sundays and it becomes £53k, be greedy and work five days a week and your salary goes up to £66k.
Drive trains for money, fly for fun. You know it makes sense.
No no not just talk. Send already some cv's to non aviation companies. Like brizzol says, 'it is all about the money', but that counts also on my side.
Most of what is published by Easyjet is utter horses hit. They say one thing to pull the wool over your eyes because it sounds politically correct and right on :ok: , and actually do something else that makes the management the hugest possible bonuses know to the aviation industry. The do it both outside and inside the company so I suggest you don't believe a sodding word they say, because I certainly don't. It's just a money making scheme, praying on people desperate to get into the industry, and they keep putting the stakes up, and keep getting takers, so how high can they go to generate millions of fast bucks? Scandalous I can tell you. Ruined the industry. Not that the fat cats care, as they don't seem to have an ounce of integrity between them.
3rd May 2012, 19:05
If people want change then put it in writing to EZY CEO, to the Media, to your local MPs. Use GAPAN and other independant aviation resources, start an online No.10 petition, send your views to EASA about the current training cadet system where low houred are fleeced and treated badly on Flexicrew contracts (CHRIP101 details concerns). Tell them how some only get 6 months expenses to fly with airlines linked to these schools. Tell them how these cadets are prioritised over experienced TP and other jet crews.
EASA is deeply concerned over automation airmanship post AF447 - the final report will come out next month. Part of the problem is recognised as a lack of airmanship and understanding of attitude/manual flying when the automation gives up.
EASA themselves are beginning to see that the current JAR/EASA integrated 250h frozen ATPL (and indeed MPL) straight into an automated airliner like an A319 is part of the problem.
What the UK/EIRE and some other EU LoCo airlines are doing with short term contracts and poor initial training with little manual flying once on the line is making a bad situation much worse than it was even 3 years ago.
Make your concerns known here:
EASA Cockpit Automation Survey (http://ec.europa.eu/yourvoice/ipm/forms/dispatch?form=easaCAS2012&lang=en)
3rd May 2012, 20:25
Its not just easyjet Mungo Man. Nearly all of the big UK jet operators now are nigh on impossible to get into as an 'experienced' FO. They simply dont want them. Its all cadets from from the likes of CTC etc. Take a typical tubroprop FO with say 2 or 3 thousand hours,full ATPL etc..., wheres the next career move? The likes of Easy are a complete no go now. Hence I suppose why so many people I know in a similar situation have headed for the Middle East. Its the only way open at the moment for the experienced FO looking to progress without having to pay for TR, line training, reduced salary and so on.
5th May 2012, 11:13
This problem I believe can only be solved when the regulators become involved.
But nowadays we might wonder which side the regulators are on. The CAA approving the latest EASA FTL scheme was a huge blow after all the evidence how flawed it was, was given.
You wonder sometimes to which agenda they work.
5th May 2012, 12:20
You wonder sometimes to which agenda they work.
their own pockets, bonussses and perks. Thank you CAA.
5th May 2012, 12:21
There are a lot of experienced FOs who are joining, but are contracted through Parc to start with.. not ideal, but there is a way in.
6th May 2012, 08:35
A few few people getting richer and richer, and the rest sharing what's left. Accept it.
er, no. It's not acceptable. Capitalism has to work for all who wish to take part in it or it is doomed. I won't catalogue the full monty of financial disasters and scams over the last 15-20 years but just say that even those of us who believed in and trusted the "system" to generate the investment returns which would see us secure in our retirement have had the scales removed from our eyes.
10th May 2012, 10:14
Put a bomb in the bloody CTC cadet school :E
10th May 2012, 11:22
I was a thinking more of an 'old school' commando raid on their flightline... :cool:
10th May 2012, 14:26
A crash will happen due to inexperienced pilots being promoted to captain very quickly, or just inexperienced FOs full stop.
Maybe then it will change. Maybe.
From a SLF point of view, it was all about safety and customer service years ago. Now it's all about money and seeing how quickly you can shove 200 cattle..oh I mean passengers into the plane. And then once in the cruise the pilot comes out to empty his bladder for the passengers to see he hasn't even started shaving yet. And IMO, it all started and got out of hand with low cost airlines.
Yes new pilots need to fly, but what about experienced FOs. FOs aren't just a useless person to fill a seat and satisfy criteria. Having a good, experienced FO is just as important as having a good captain and cabin crew. Too much of one thing (inexperienced FOs in this case) is always bad, having a bit of everything (experienced and inexperienced CC, captains and FOs) is good.
Thankfully at the moment this trend is relatively new and most airlines do have very good and experienced captains and FOs. But I fear low cost airlines are slacking on experienced FOs.
I feel for OP.
Robert G Mugabe
10th May 2012, 19:42
From a SLF point of view, it was all about safety and customer service years ago. Now it's all about money and seeing how quickly you can shove 200 cattle..oh I mean passengers into the plane. And then once in the cruise the pilot comes out to empty his bladder for the passengers to see he hasn't even started shaving yet.
Slightly insulting. Granted we have young pilots but although some are less confident than others on the whole they are a good bunch.
One of easyJets strengths is the quality of its training. I appreciate middle management, local management and the AMB's obsession with FLEXICREW and CADETS has created a poisonous relationship . The working environment on the line is generally good however . My belief is that on the whole the pilots flying the line are protected by rigorous ( some might say anal ) SOP's.
Indeed we have to file ASR's for the most mundane occurrences.
Life is not fair and there is no requirement for experienced FO's as we have many experienced FO's. We are not expanding and promotions will slow to a trickle in the next few years.
One might even argue that the LCC model does not apply to easyjet. EasyJet is closer to a cost effective legacy airline these days.
crash will happen due to inexperienced pilots being promoted to captain very quickly, or just inexperienced FOs full stop.
Rubbish. A crash will happen with a combination of events not the above in isolation.
10th May 2012, 19:51
Yes it is funny as ezy cabin crew hearing passengers comment on the age of the FOs who love to stand at the front of the cabin showing proudly their two silver bars when they're waiting to go toilet. It's even funnier when you tell pax it's their first ever job. We have a cadet that looks about 12 who struts through the terminal even in winter with only his shirt on to show off his bars(and his giant flight trolley case) to show off his epaulettes. Makes me chuckle.
10th May 2012, 20:03
A pilot with an ego? Whatever next? An ego to match the size of training debt :ugh:
10th May 2012, 20:18
What are the requirements for SFO's these days at Easy? 1500hrs and an ATPL?
Might be a while until you see one of those floating around.
Actually come to think of it, how long have EZY been taking Flexi crews? 4-5 years? Maybe some due soon then....
10th May 2012, 20:44
What really makes me chuckle is when slippers introduce the 19 year old CTC wonder kids in their first ever job as "senior first officer ****** ***********". If only the travelling public knew!
Spicejetter, you sound rather bitter....... Passed over for selection?
Ps. Where did you get those talking slippers from?
10th May 2012, 23:39
SFO is 1500 hrs ATPL in France & Germany, 2500 ezy hrs in Italy and 2000 ezy hrs in UK.
As for showing off stripes at the front of the cabin, where else is someone meant to stand when waiting for the toilet?
Is it the cabin crews place to comment on age or job status of a pilot?
I certainly wouldn't comment on how many jobs the very young looking cabin crew has had, and the fact she hasn't had any prior medical or fire fighting experience.. nothing agains cabin crew, but pointing out that it isn't a CCs place to comment on a pilots status or vice versa.
P.s I have 3 stripes on my shoulder, but can't say I feel much different... but of course, now i'm "experience" I must be a god and not going to make any mistakes unlike my two stripe colleagues.... NOT.
11th May 2012, 09:09
Heard that this bloody CTC school is now providing cadets for Qatar Airways' RHS, because there are not enough experienced pilots on the market :eek:
11th May 2012, 09:25
Probably because everyone is leaving Qatar to join easyjet. Good to see we are getting some experienced F/O' s