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ORAC
16th Apr 2012, 18:01
Defense News: U.K. May Retain C-130Ks Longer Over Upgrade Delay (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120416/DEFREG01/304160007/U-K-May-Retain-C-130Ks-Longer-Over-Upgrade-Delay?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)

LONDON — Britain’s Royal Air Force may delay taking its C-130K Hercules special forces fleet out of service for at least a year while it waits for a delayed upgrade of the newer J variant.

The last of the Hercules K fleet was to exit service by the end of the year, but sources said that’s unlikely to happen. The availability of a vital upgrade to allow the J version to fully take on the special forces role will not be ready until at least 2013. One Ministry of Defence source said the RAF could decide to retain maybe five or six of the K fleet for special forces work while getting rid of the rest.

A spokeswoman for the MoD declined to comment, beyond saying the department was considering a variety of equipment options as part of the annual planning process for the financial year 2012-13.

Retaining the Lockheed Martin-built Ks is one of several permutations being examined as part of Planning Round 2012 deliberations to maintain the balance of RAF air transport capabilities. Pressure is mounting on air bridge assets ahead of the withdrawal of combat forces from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

The delay comes just two months after the head of the RAF, Air Chief Marshal Sir Steven Dalton, admitted the service was looking at giving a temporary reprieve to another aging British air transport asset, the Tristar, also built by Lockheed.

The RAF has operated the Hercules K since the late 1960s. In recent years the aircraft’s primary role has been to support special forces in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Retirements and losses have winnowed K fleet numbers to eight from the original 66 acquired from Lockheed Martin.

The plan was to install Block 7 on the 25-strong J fleet starting last September, allowing the remaining older aircraft to withdraw from service this year. Known as Block 7.0, the Hercules upgrade provides the systems architecture to allow the specialist equipment carried by special forces aircraft to be installed. The block upgrade is part of an international program led by the U.S. Air Force. A spokesman for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics said the upgrade will “enter Phase II flight tests this summer. We are awaiting a schedule for from the USAF.”

As far back as 2008, the National Audit Office, the government spending watchdog, warned that any delay to the introduction of Block 7 installation beyond 2012 may “create a serious gap in capability” for specialist operations.

[I]Repeated Delays

Announcement of the extension would be at least the third time the MoD has delayed pensioning off the venerable K aircraft. The original date was 2008; that was extended to 2010 and then 2012.

The aircraft were meant to be replaced by Airbus Military’s A400M airlifter, but that program has been delayed until 2015. The British have 22 A400Ms on order. By 2022, they plan to have a fixed-wing transport capability of two aircraft types — the Airbus and the C-17. There are, though, two strategic defense reviews planned between now and then, and industry executives wonder whether the multirole tactical flexibility of the smaller Hercules may see some of the aircraft retained beyond its 2022 out-of-service date.

Briefing reporters in London on April 11 on developments involving new maritime patrol and low-cost versions of the J, Jim Grant, a vice president of new business at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said he was “optimistic that the special-mission capabilities inherent in the J will prove itself to the extent the RAF desires to up-rate the aircraft [to use it] many years beyond the current program’s retirement date.”

Industry sources here said the contractor team led by Marshall Aerospace, which supports the RAF’s entire fleet through the Hercules Integrated Operational Support contract, has already been put on notice that further work on the K is a possibility. A spokeswoman for Marshall said the Cambridge-based company had not heard anything official about future Hercules support other than what was in the Conservative-led coalition government’s strategic defense and security review of 2010. That review mandated withdrawing the J fleet from service in 2022, a decade earlier than planned.

Running the Hercules K until at least the end of 2013 may help bolster air transport assets as the British ramp up their withdrawal effort from Afghanistan............

Bob Viking
16th Apr 2012, 19:37
...or the 'Special K' if you will!
Sounds like a great new idea for the in-flight rations.
I'll get me coat.
BV:O

Blue Bottle
16th Apr 2012, 19:52
Defence News - 25 C130 J, don't they listen to the news, I do believe:D we lost one....

SirPeterHardingsLovechild
17th Apr 2012, 11:53
Thankyou. Copied & Pasted, linked and sent to my solicitor !

This is another episode in the organising of piss-ups in breweries.

It has been an almost certainty for several years. In the 'Loss of Future Earnings' section of my civil suit against the MoD for my injuries on which they have accepted 100% liability, I swore on oath that this would occur, and my paperwork is three years old.

An example of something that has always left me weeping into my cornflakes is the enthusiasm of middle ranking officers to make unecessary cuts in the hope of getting noticed and promoted. In this case (and in my world of C130K maintenace) the K Hercules Maintenance School was closed down and personnel redeployed or made redundant.

This has resulted (in my old world of Ground Engineering) in extra pressure (if that is possible) on the remaining few, with no chance of training replacements. The knock on effect is that a few guys in their 40's and early 50's who you might have thought would do an extra year or two are simply saying - Nope, I'm off.

There is a rumour that a Retention Bonus may be offered to the remaining few. Only a rumour. This would be almost unprecedented for technical trades. And sub-contracting ex-instructors to run more courses? A great money saver !

Not to mention the premature closure of RAF Lyneham.

I left last April and I'm able to laugh at this.

I can add another £80k to my claim.

El_Presidente
17th Apr 2012, 12:24
Bob Viking


C-130K for the Special Forces...

...or the 'Special K' if you will!
Sounds like a great new idea for the in-flight rations.
I'll get me coat.
BV



We can't put Albert crews onto Special K - the movers will never be able to get the a/c back into trim....


:}

teeteringhead
17th Apr 2012, 12:51
We can't put Albert crews onto Special K - the movers will never be able to get the a/c back into trim....
... thought Special K was always good for movements ......... ;)

Sorry!

Ken Scott
17th Apr 2012, 14:15
I heard a rumour (well, this is a rumour network...) that all of the servicing for the Ks had been arranged to be pushed back until 2013, until after the ac had been withdrawn from service. So, said my informant, if the ac were extended past the end of 2012 pretty much all of them would have to disappear off to Cambridge for said servicing making them unavailable for some time anyway.

I can't see the Chiefs making such a basic error so I guess it was just a rumour....

Shackman
17th Apr 2012, 15:06
Maybe this is why they are talking up here of closing Cosford (for the army to move in) and transferring the excellent School of Technical training to Lyneham - and thus having to keep the airfield open for their purposes. This will then mean they could put the K's in there for their servicing (by the students) and cover two tasks as one.

Of course the aircrew still living at Lyneham would no doubt still have to travel to BZ to auth out to go back to Lyneham to move their a/c (and then go back to BZ to sign in again). I'm sure something like that would make perfect sense to some engineer running up the promotion ladder. However, I thought of it first and claim my OBE!

Herod
17th Apr 2012, 21:20
I last flew the Albert in 1975, and it's outlasted me in terms of flying career (I retired in '04). I'm hoping it won't outlast me literally, since I'm hoping to be around for a good few years yet; although I wouldn't be surprised at anything anymore. ;)

GreenKnight121
18th Apr 2012, 07:07
There is a rumour that a Retention Bonus may be offered to the remaining few. Only a rumour. This would be almost unprecedented for technical trades.

In 1985, when I was a lowly E-4 (Corporal) avionics tech in the USMC, I re-enlisted for a second 4-year block. The SRB (Selective Re-enlistment Bonus) for my field was 4... which meant they would pay me a 4-month bonus (33% above base pay) every year of my second tour!

I got a total of US$18,000 before taxes (half up-front)... for a base pay (before housing & meal allowances, medical compensation, etc) of US$13,500 per year (US$1,125 per month).

In 1989 they wouldn't offer me any bonus, so I left (I was just about to go for my first evaluation board for E-6 Staff Sergeant).

The Selective Reenlistment Bonus | Military.com (http://www.military.com/benefits/content/military-pay/the-selective-reenlistment-bonus.html)

Kengineer-130
18th Apr 2012, 18:28
All the Engineers at Lyneham knew this would happen, hardly a surprise to anyone involved in Herc world, except those planning it!