Kharon
31st Mar 2012, 20:20
31/3/2012. SMH - Norfolk ditching. (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/the-crash-that-goes-on-forever-20120330-1w34a.html) Damien Murphy.
There is nothing in the report that suggests the Reason model of accident causation was even remotely considered. That model should develop a schematic interaction between individual error and factors such as faulty top level management decisions. Instead, there's nothing of the sort.''
A 60-page draft of that report has been circulated for discussion but sources say it has been so ''dumbed down'' the recommendations do not address regulatory problems highlighted by the ditching.
''Word in the industry is that a political fix is in so nobody would be offended,'' one aviation figure said.
31/3/2012. Plane Talking - Norfolk ditching (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/03/31/atsb-is-like-a-rotten-egg-good-in-parts/). Ben Sandilands.
It is understandable that the ATSB would consult with the parties to an inquiry in relation to the final version of a report, but there does come a time when it begins to resemble a negotiation as to how much of the truth, and how bluntly what is left of the truth, can be released to the public.
The reason for the delay is that the ATSB is unwilling thus far to use its power to publish a final report without waiting an eternity for affected parties to approve the rewriting it has already undertaken to dumb down the document to a level where it is totally inoffensive to anyone except perhaps those who were injured or exposed to mortal peril by the flight.
17 August 2007 Lockhart River Coroner Barnes.
In my view, this attack on the methodology used by the ATSB is without substance. I do not accept that by requiring its investigators to always consider whether organisational influences may have contributed to an incident, the professional judgement of those investigators is likely to be overborne.
CASA contends that the ATSB had a conflict of interest that should have led to its actions being identified as one of the organisational influences that may have contributed to the crash. Further, CASA asserted that the ATSB should have refrained from investigating the incident on account of it having such a conflict.
CASA had senior, expert legal representation who I’m sure would not have made such a sustained attack on the integrity of the ATSB investigation report without explicit instructions. In my view, these protestations are symptomatic of serious, ongoing animosity between the two organisations that needs redressing.
The press, though muzzled can smell the pony pooh. Coroner Barnes, could see, smell and touch the same, a Judge in WA almost stood in it. The Senators, with stronger stomachs feast on it when it's served up in neat white paper packages.
It's almost 7 years (May 2005) since LHR. The crash was tragic enough, but to find, almost a decade later that the CASA has gained complete control of a crippled, blind emasculated investigatory body is perhaps the greatest tragedy (or comedy if you like) of all.
Are the Senators – ignored ?, Judges treated with contempt ?, Coroners led to foregone conclusions ?, the industry terrorised and the public still in grave danger from potted policy. ??.
Perhaps honest answers would embarrass the Minister responsible. Albo signed off on the LHR pantomime and the latest Senate 'white paper' fiasco. And yes, it's all Bollocks.
There is nothing in the report that suggests the Reason model of accident causation was even remotely considered. That model should develop a schematic interaction between individual error and factors such as faulty top level management decisions. Instead, there's nothing of the sort.''
A 60-page draft of that report has been circulated for discussion but sources say it has been so ''dumbed down'' the recommendations do not address regulatory problems highlighted by the ditching.
''Word in the industry is that a political fix is in so nobody would be offended,'' one aviation figure said.
31/3/2012. Plane Talking - Norfolk ditching (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/03/31/atsb-is-like-a-rotten-egg-good-in-parts/). Ben Sandilands.
It is understandable that the ATSB would consult with the parties to an inquiry in relation to the final version of a report, but there does come a time when it begins to resemble a negotiation as to how much of the truth, and how bluntly what is left of the truth, can be released to the public.
The reason for the delay is that the ATSB is unwilling thus far to use its power to publish a final report without waiting an eternity for affected parties to approve the rewriting it has already undertaken to dumb down the document to a level where it is totally inoffensive to anyone except perhaps those who were injured or exposed to mortal peril by the flight.
17 August 2007 Lockhart River Coroner Barnes.
In my view, this attack on the methodology used by the ATSB is without substance. I do not accept that by requiring its investigators to always consider whether organisational influences may have contributed to an incident, the professional judgement of those investigators is likely to be overborne.
CASA contends that the ATSB had a conflict of interest that should have led to its actions being identified as one of the organisational influences that may have contributed to the crash. Further, CASA asserted that the ATSB should have refrained from investigating the incident on account of it having such a conflict.
CASA had senior, expert legal representation who I’m sure would not have made such a sustained attack on the integrity of the ATSB investigation report without explicit instructions. In my view, these protestations are symptomatic of serious, ongoing animosity between the two organisations that needs redressing.
The press, though muzzled can smell the pony pooh. Coroner Barnes, could see, smell and touch the same, a Judge in WA almost stood in it. The Senators, with stronger stomachs feast on it when it's served up in neat white paper packages.
It's almost 7 years (May 2005) since LHR. The crash was tragic enough, but to find, almost a decade later that the CASA has gained complete control of a crippled, blind emasculated investigatory body is perhaps the greatest tragedy (or comedy if you like) of all.
Are the Senators – ignored ?, Judges treated with contempt ?, Coroners led to foregone conclusions ?, the industry terrorised and the public still in grave danger from potted policy. ??.
Perhaps honest answers would embarrass the Minister responsible. Albo signed off on the LHR pantomime and the latest Senate 'white paper' fiasco. And yes, it's all Bollocks.