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25th Mar 2012, 06:39
Dear wise ones,
I am in desperate need of some professional advice. I've waited for almost 4 yrs for my first flying job. Gone for countless interviews and meetings just to get the words "we'll consider you in the future if a vacancy arises".
And now it has come! A job offer after so much wait. It's a regional operator starting up. Since I'll be joining as a trainee F/O, they've offered me two choices ATR 72-600 or the Embraer E-195. I am torn b/w the countless advice spared by many.
ATR being flown all over the world in massive numbers where as the emb's are very limited. If for some reason (touch wood) the company shuts down in the distant future, where will I end up with a 195 rating? Since I am from the sub-continent, nobody even operates Emb's here (There was one by the name Paramount which shut down due losses). Honestly speaking, I am thrilled by the jet over the TP but put down by the numbers. Pay is same on both the fleet but progression will be faster on the 195 I hear.
Any advice would be highly appreciated. Thank you for your valuable time.
25th Mar 2012, 10:19
Nick, congratulations on your job offer. I would agree, you are wise to think about how the future may pan out and what fleet/type rating offers the best long term security. I would however suggest you don't let all of these thoughts get in the way of the fact you now have a job offer, the chance to gain a type rating, experience and a salary. Both aircraft types are popular models and should offer you a future if things go wrong with the new company. Only you can decide how things affect you personally like maybe having to relocate etc. Job prospects wise, the jet would probably be the best move as many experienced pilots never get the chance to progress from prop to jet. Never heard of anyone not being able to get a job moving from jet to prop. you say the pay is the same on both fleets but traditionally jet pay is much higher than prop pay so the jet would also offer better pay in the future. I would suggest you think things over very quickly and make your decision, Once you have made it, tel the company and secure the job before it goes to someone else, then enjoy it and don't spend time thinking "did I make the right decision or not"
25th Mar 2012, 10:21
There is no substitute for Jet time, regardless of type.
While the Embraer is comparatively rare that is irrelevant, it is a modern, transport category Aircraft and, once again, it is a JET.
So there are more ATR's in the world, so what ?
The 195 will be a far nicer type to fly and the experience gained will make you significantly more marketable to a future employer with larger Jet's.
Go for the Jet :ok:
No question: jet time is better than prop time. Go for the E195 and don't look back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:ok::}
25th Mar 2012, 15:40
Have been flying a prop for 4 years, and it is painfully obvious to me that most carriers (other then prop carriers) seem to not give a crap about prop time. Jet time and knowing how to push buttons is the flavor of the day.
26th Mar 2012, 10:23
go for the E 190, there are more around as you think .
firm orders 1020
26th Mar 2012, 14:42
It's in NE India.
28th Mar 2012, 03:09
The gulf between "Jet Pilot" and "Turboprop Pilot" has unduly become wider and wider as small jets have saturated the market. In some countries (like India, actually), you might as well be flying a Seminole as an ATR for all the good it does your CV. The Embraer may not have the market presence of an Airbus, but they're seeing plenty of use everywhere but Antarctica in both scheduled and corporate ops. There's a case to be made that flying turboprops into the weather and into middle-of-nowhere airfields is a critical part of a pilot's development. Unfortunately, it's a case all too often made by out of work prop pilots.
As someone who's flown turbines with and without pinwheels on them - all other factors being the same - I would emphatically encourage a starting pilot to choose a jet over a turboprop in this day and age. If terms/conditions and pilot demand were all equal, I'd be more than happy to hop back into a turboprop. Unfortunately, they are nowhere near equal on the global market. And as someone who used to work for an "E-Jet" operator, I can assure you that the market for their pilots can be quite lucrative if you know where to look. And it's a relatively pilot-friendly design to boot. If all you've seen of the aviation industry is the Subcontinent, your perspective is a bit skewed in favor of the ATR.
Of course, if you're looking for "wise ones", you'd be better served inquiring elsewhere. :}
4th Apr 2012, 08:38
Thanks for the advice guys.
4th Apr 2012, 22:42
E-195 everytime. Though, I suspect you'd enjoy the TP more.
Most major carriers recruiting from the experienced pool today are asking for jet time, on >50,000kg aircraft.
Also, generally speaking, Jet salaries tend to be higher - though your operator may well be different.
Best of luck with whichever path you choose! Privileged position in today's World to have a choice like that!