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24th Mar 2012, 13:33
I am looking desperately for a second Cesssna 404 built 1980 or later to purchase.
The two available on the market, German one and the one in New Zealand are already been taken into account.
Westair in Namibia operate C404 as well, but they are not willing to sell and I can understand that!
There should be 152 models built in 1980 and 1981. Maybe some crashed already or don't fly anymore.
I kindly ask you all, to please advice if you know anyone who operates C404, 1980 or later anywhere in the world.
Help appreciated and willing to offer a finders fee as well.
24th Mar 2012, 17:29
No 404s listed here in the states as 1980 or newer.
Maine aviation sales, inc. have a 78 and a 77, They also have a very nice 85 414A
Kansas Aircraft Corp. Have a very nice C-414 a 82 model with very low eng. time. Looks like a very nice aircraft.
24th Mar 2012, 18:19
thanks for your feedback, but C404 is the only MEP plane that will do:
2+8 for 1000nm.
Unless you know any other MEP plane with such a legal payload?
25th Mar 2012, 15:40
I have a few hundred hours on the 404.. lovely plane.. but it will be so expensive to run on AVGAS.
A caravan 208, Caravan 2 -406, or a king air would probably work out a better deal in the long run.
Does it HAVE to be MEP?
25th Mar 2012, 21:22
yes, it has to be due to certain reasons.
AVGAS is organized, price is okay.
26th Mar 2012, 03:34
A little light googling revealed the following possibilities?
1980 CESSNA 404 for sale, Multi-Engine Prop for sale, Types, Aircraft for sale, World Aircraft Search: Aircraft for sale, used Airplanes for sale, Helicopter sales, Private Air Charter, Aircraft Leasing, Aircraft sales (http://worldaircraftsearch.com/types/multi-engine_prop/cessna/404/15131/http://www.globalplanesearch.com/cessna/piston/twin/large_touring/404.htm)
And these people in South Africa who are not so far from where you seem to want to go and who could probably source one for you.
If you find one from them that has genuine log books and has been kept on the Reef, it is less likely to have rust damage in the fuselage than others perhaps?
Comair - Aircraft Sales (http://comair.syncrony.co.za/AircraftSales.aspx)
In addition to that, this magazine usually carries a good selection of second hand aircraft in the classified section and accepts wanted ads as well.
World Airnews - Africa's Journal for the Discerning Aviation Professional (http://www.airnews.co.za/)
Which reveals these suppliers of fine machines at crystal prices.
Money Aviation Helicopter & Aircraft Sales (http://www.moneyaviation.co.za/)
Investment Aircraft Online - For secondhand, helicopters for sale, helicopters online, helicotper, used aircraft sales online (http://www.investmentaircraft.co.za/)
Finders fee for any sale resulting from the information contained within this posting will be 5% of net purchase price agreed between parties for each transaction or part thereof. Fee to be paid in US$ at time of purchase transaction. Contact may be maintained through these pages.
26th Mar 2012, 08:32
PM me. Might have clean low hour-ed one in Africa for you.
26th Mar 2012, 11:40
Proflight Zambia operates 401s, 402s and I believe a 404. There's a ton of them flying around southern Africa let alone Zambia. I think avocet is another zambian operator
26th Mar 2012, 19:40
@<hidden>, wrote you a PM
@<hidden>, wrote you a PM
@<hidden>, I checked their homepages, thanks, but it doesn't say that they operate any further more C404!?
27th Mar 2012, 12:36
Alex, I was wrong,Pz just operates 401s, and 402s but I believe ngwazi air charters has a 404. All second hand info I am afraid
27th Mar 2012, 21:29
Thanks for advice, will write them!
28th Mar 2012, 11:42
Avirex in Gabon had a late serial number 404 that they were selling a while back. If I recall engines and props were new but some airframe maintenance was required.
A 404 is an exceptional aeroplane. I'm not a fan of MEP's in general but a 404 has a special place in my heart, there really is nothing else like it.
28th Mar 2012, 11:49
Try Nairobi Wilson HKNW.I have seen a few lying there on scrap or abandoned.There is a lot of maintenance support availabloe locally to rebuild them if you want.There is also one that was lying as salvage at Malindi Aerodrome HKML in Kenya.
Am sure you can't miss in South Africa in Lanseria!
28th Mar 2012, 13:09
There are many of these in Nairobi Wilson. I seem to remember LONRHO had very nice one there a few years ago. I also remember seeing the turbine version around there too.
28th Mar 2012, 17:37
@<hidden> Fuzzy Lager: Can't find any contact details of them, have you maybe got any?
@<hidden>: Due to the fact that I am South African but no being in Europe, I don't know any operators at all in Wilson with C404. Could you name some please?
@<hidden>: C404 with a turbine? That type of plane exists? :O Do you mean this company with Lonrho? http://www.lonrho.com/
28th Mar 2012, 18:59
C404 with turbines.. is a C406. Built by Reims in France. I mentioned it in my post. Its a great aeroplane, non pressurised but strong.
28th Mar 2012, 20:48
The 406 I know, but not possible from the budget side unfortunately.
Please let me know as soon as you know more regarding what we wrote in the PM.
28th Mar 2012, 21:17
...a 404, can t find one? I came across two of them, without really looking, in the last three weeks. One in Europe, one in the Southern US. Now if the Autrian 19 year old does really need one, contact me. Put your money where your mouth is. I ll deliver!
29th Mar 2012, 00:09
Yes, that London Rhodesia. Not sure who looked after it and if it is still around, but well looked after. LonRho East Africa, and correct about the C406 (F406) Turbine, built by Reims.
cessna c406 - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=cessna+c406&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)
29th Mar 2012, 07:13
@<hidden> Blohm: Before blaming me, you should maybe read the topic of the thread.
It says looking for a SECOND C404, which means that we already have one.
Further, it must be a 1980 or 1981 model which kicks out the two in the US on Controller.
Then check who is promoting the sale of the German one, if I am not mistaking it is my company who promots it for sale and the owner himself on GA Buyer.
And yes, I am 19 years old, but if age is getting a problem here, then I don't know what to do, can't make myself older than I am.
By saying "desperately looking" for a second C404, it doesn't say at all that I am the one who has the money, maybe it's for one of my clients who is running an AOC somewhere on this planet?
I turned to this community because of its professional users and not because I am a tire kicker!
BUT never the less, no reason why to be impolite here from my side, if you have a 1980 C404 apart from the German one or the one in New Zealand which is for sale, you are more than welcome to present it to me and I will make sure that you are involved.
@<hidden>: Thanks, will try to find out more from them!
29th Mar 2012, 22:18
Did anyone else just hear that tearing sound of a new hole being ripped?
30th Mar 2012, 12:30
Does anybody know here C404 operators in Kenya?
It seems like that most of the C404 flying are in Kenya these times.
The person who can help to get this deal working will be covered from my side, I can assure that.
30th Mar 2012, 12:44
Or even better, does a program/homepage exist that tells you where each of these single C404 are operating?
30th Mar 2012, 17:56
Is the wrinkled plum collective of experienced pilots and aviation enthusiasts being used as a research instrument for commercial gain in the intriguing case of Alexander Pichler, international entrepreneur and aviator extraordinaire?
A great deal of free information has been generously and unselfishly provided by Les Pruneaux, in answer to some 67 posts or inquiries, on international airway routings, types of aircraft, suitability of equipment and safety including many other matters of aviation importance from all of which a profit is intended to be made by an end user. Now one is reminded that this is a community of professional users and the thought occurs that in using the pages of wrinkled plum, we professional users are functioning as a collective and as such are accordingly entitled to some reward for our professional expertise. An exchange of remuneration for information to be posted on these pages might be deeply embarrassing for those who watch over us but a donation to a suitable charity of choice for each piece of information provided for commercial enterprise might be an equitable solution to the vexing problem. Suppose that a charity were nominated and charges made on the researcher's credit card for each piece of information provided based upon a time invoice system, the money to flow directly to the chosen charity?
Is this not a noble and suitable festive idea for the celebratory season shortly to be passed through depending upon your persuasion?
30th Mar 2012, 20:25
I have absolutely no problem with that, that's what I wrote from the beginning on. The one who brings the aircraft will be covered from my side, I can assure that.
I don't know at all where the problem is, I am only asking the people who are willing to help because they can and not because they want to criticize.
30th Mar 2012, 20:33
Why am I haunted by an image of some spotty kid up in his room putting together an African air ambulance operation from second- and third-hand information garnered off sites such as this one?
I was bemused to meet a very nice young man in Lagos, well, Ikeja, Nigeria, out on the pan at dear old Murtala Muhammed one hot afternoon. We fell to chatting, as one does, when it came out that he had just arrived from the States with his CPL, ME, IR, CFII, MEL and something like a thousand hours. The ink was still wet on his ticket, so to speak! 'So, what brings you to Lagos?' was almost my first question.
'I was told I could get a job here,' came the answer.
'Well, no, not really,' I had to tell him, 'because the local operators are asking for something like double the amount of time you have.'
'Yes,' said he, 'that's what I am hearing.'
'So why did you come over then?'
'Well, I had this Nigerian student back in the States,' he said, sagging a bit, 'and he told me that anyone could get a job here.'
'Ah, yes,' I said, 'almost any Nigerian! You, umm, don't seem to be a Nigerian, though. I think you were misinformed.'
Then there were the guys from Miami who came out to work for Barnax. 'If this guy doesn't pay us, we quit working! What is he going to do, throw us in jail?!'
'Uhh, guys,' I said, 'you might want to think this one over a bit.'
I went on leave soon after that conversation, and when I got back everyone was talking about the Barnax guys. 'They got thrown in jail!' Not for very long, but still....
31st Mar 2012, 08:26
In this part of Africa the warning on the fly leaf is that you will enter jail unaided but that you will most certainly exit tronkie aided.
The finder's fee for information leading to the successful purchase of an aircraft is one financial matter. The consultation fees inherent in the commencement of flight operations with that aircraft or the continuance of such operations with another is a different business altogether.
Anyone with financial acumen will of course have arranged both a buyer's and a seller's fee for himself. There is no criticism here but rather nothing more than a little light hearted financial discussion. One might even stray so far as to pass compliment upon the perfect command of the English language of the researcher in question which, one suspects from teeny clues left lying around, is not his mother tongue.
31st Mar 2012, 10:18
There's a C404 currently flying for a CAR operator ( Bangui) . Do not know the details of its SN or year of manufacture but I know the owners have been toying with the idea of selling it . Might be worth investigating . PM me if you want . The airplane is in reasonable condition and is flying most days .
31st Mar 2012, 15:49
I won't be flying commercially for the AOC. I have other planes that I fly and I am flying in different places and it's not my plan to fly in Congo.
@<hidden>: I wrote you a PM, thanks.