Anyone know what the fastest subsonic crossing of the Atlantic is?

In the late 1980's I was on a BA 747 Boston > Heathrow which took off in the teeth of a gale and did a rollercoaster ride all the way. On landing the pilot announced we had completed the "second fastest subsonic Atlantic crossing".
The background was that the aircraft had arrived two hours late from Philadelphia. We boarded immediately but were then held for another two hours while the aircraft was deiced and the runway ploughed clear of snow (a massive storm was approaching)
We left nearly four hours late and arrived virtually on time after sitting in a 300+ mph jet stream all the way
So anyone know what would have beaten that? A VC-10?

The performance of the VC10 was such that it achieved the fastest crossing of the Atlantic - London to New York, by a jet airliner, a record still held in 2009 for a sub-sonic airliner although beaten by the supersonic Concorde.

Vickers (http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/News_articles2010/VC10.html)

An ex-Lightning mate of mine transferred to the VC10 in 1973. He said that, if necessary (VIP trips) it would cruise at M0.94.

Not many jets of that era or this could achieve that.

His great comment was that he transferred from one fast jet to another.....

However, he also said that the fuel consumption of the Conways was horrendous.

Perhaps there are some ex-VC10 guys out there who can add more.

My recollection was that the Convair 990 Coronado was quicker than a 707 or a DC-8 .... is that a contender ?

Although Wikipedia cites the VC-10 but without referencing a particular flight, date, time or speed.

However, he also said that the fuel consumption of the Conways was horrendous.

An ex-Lightning pilot said that? Bl**dy cheek!

No comment Your Honour.

That statement about the VC10 is ambiguous anyway - it could be taken to refer to specifically London to New York, which is westbound. An eastbound flight should be quicker

A former crewmate of mine told a story about taking Margaret Thatcher in a VC10 to Washington to meet the US and French Presidents.

They were late leaving Heathrow due to road traffic and a man came to the front asking if it would be possible to arrive before the French Presidents aircraft.

The crossing was made at about M .91 and mission accomplished. (not much fuel remaining)

He also told me that there were significant position errors on the VC10 at high speed so that when indicating M .91 you were actually doing M .88.

Does the quickest subsonic refer to (sort of) still air conditions rather than surfing along a jetstream ? If the latter, may I forward a 5hr 15m MIA-CDG sector on a DC-10.



SHJ

An ex-Lightning mate of mine transferred to the VC10 in 1973. He said that, if necessary (VIP trips) it would cruise at M0.94.

Not many jets of that era or this could achieve that.

The VC10 being one of them. M0.94 is, I'm sorry to say, WIWOL exaggeration (as in 'AI 23 picked up targets at over 10 miles')....

Cruising at an indicated M0.91 was outside the release to service limits, but very probably just about possible in a very highly polished VIP jet - fuel consumption would have been horrendous though. I've certainly cruised the Pond at M0.88 indicated, but the only time I took the RAF VC10 over M0.9 was during properly authorised post-maintenance air tests.

I suspect that the Convair 990 'Coronado' was quicker than the VC10, but probably didn't have the fuel to cruise at high IMN for very far.

Fastest subsonic currently has to be on Air Canada St Johns Newfoundland to Heathrow A319, which is 2,012 nm Great Circle, compared to the example Boston to Heathrow flight which is 2,837 nm. Boston to Shannon on Aer Lingus is 2,516 nm. In the days when Air Canada did Gander-Prestwick on a Tristar that was only 1,844 nm and probably was the minimum you could achieve, I believe they were often well under 4 hours. The timetable time in a 1962 timetable I have here for a DC8 on this route is 4 hours 5 minutes.

However the OP's example might have been a near-record for this particular combination of carrier and route. Or for the skipper's log book.

Regarding the Convair 990 Coronado it was never used on Transatlantic schedules.

I was on the fringe of a high altitude VC10 to Tornado AAR and airborne intercept trial in the mid 1990s.

My recollection is that the VC10 could out-turn, out climb, and out accelerate the untrustworthy tornadoesntgo.

Then the Tornado's radar fell over, and it got vectored onto its target using the VC10's weather radar!

Fun times.

G

Done Gander to Lyneham in 4hrs 50 mins in Albert....415kts g/s....

I suppose that beats the Tornado too?

Does anyone have info on the Buccaneer that did the first unrefuelled crossing in mid sixties think it was XN974 one of the early S2's.

A 1968 BOAC timetable (http://www.vc10.net/Data/1968_Super_page6.html) shows a Super VC10 trip from New York to London: departure 02:00 GMT, arrival 08:40 GMT. For the opposite direction the scheduled trip time is one hour longer.

In comparison a B707 (taken from a 1966 timetable (http://www.vc10.net/Data/1966_BOAC_page7.html)) is planned for a 9:00 departure from New York (EST, so this would be 14:00 GMT) and scheduled to arrive in London at 20:30 GMT, 10 minutes less than in the VC10 planning.

747-100 G-AWNL 5hr 29 mins JFK to LHR 6 Jun 1994. Thats the fastest I can see in my logbook! Sometime after that they stopped us arriving early at LHR due to shortage of parking slots!!:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

Owza fishin' ?

Brilliant!! Just joined a new syndicate so loads more fishing this year!!:ok:

All down to the jetstream being in the right place but I recall a Laker DC10-10 in the late '70's with an actual flying time Bangor to Gatwick at 4 hrs 25 min. The computer flight plan showed 4 hr 20 min....I recall querying it at the time and requested our supplier to resend it - still came back with the same answer! On another date a DC10-30 achieved LAX-LGW in approx 8 hrs 45 mins.

I think I might have missed something here?

Is this a DC10 only thread? Its not mentioned in the title!

When is the jetstream not involved when crossing the Atlantic? One way you try to avoid it and the other you try to use it!:ugh:

newt, its the first time the DC-10 has been mentioned that I can see!
Difficult to discuss the subject matter without mentioning the jetstream - it needs to be in exactly the right place to achieve such crossing times:)

newt's aircraft recce never was much good.....:p

How about EI-ALA Aer Lingus B720 delivery flt IDL (JFK) - SNN
17/18 Nov 1960 in 04.57