Most of low hour pilots instead of paying for a TR (end LT eventually) decide to fly for companies whose minimum requirements are not prohibitve for fresh pilots.
One of these companies is Susi Air in Indonesia.
Until now I have always thought that it may be a remarkable experience working for them as first employment after have obtained the licences.

What I have just noticed is that many companies of those are blacklisted, and one of those is Susi Air.

I know there are several pilots working for them, so I would like to know their thoughts.

May this affect the CV?

I am very interested in knowing the answer because I am willing to go everywhere to work once I will have gained my flight licences.

Firstly you have to live through the experience. Then you have to wonder why they are 'blacklisted'. Was it paperwork, engineering, training, standards, organisation, financial etc.? Or was it a buggers muddle of all of them? Then you have to persuade a potential employer that you haven't been tainted and how, as a person of still limited experience, you will now be able to bring valuable experience to the table.

Best of Luck!

Its all the above reasons which makes them blacklisted.

Expats have to work illegally for susi without work permit.

susi takes advantage of low timers who desperate in gaining hours
they also have this non competitive agreement by signing which makes you
not to work with other indonesian airlines & charters for the next four years.

All but a handful of airlines in Indonesia are on the EU blacklist anyway.:rolleyes:

they also have this non competitive agreement by signing which makes you
not to work with other indonesian airlines & charters for the next four years. You're referring to Lion Air and EJ, aren't you?

@<hidden> Jerry Lee

not only lion or wings but to mention all of indonesian carriers & charter services..

Yes, there is a lot of P2F schemes there, and the most well known is the one with Eagle Jet and Lion Air.

Personally, I would not bother to work for Lion Air or Susi Air for a while if we bear in mind that nowadays there are few alternatives out there, and they are very difficult.

Yes, there is a lot of P2F schemes there, and the most well known is the one with Eagle Jet and Lion Air.

So I understand many p2f companies are blacklisted? It should be food for thoughts in an other thread: "more P2F misery"

Happy New Year guys, great thread going on here. I would say it wouldn't look too good on a CV if former employer was a blacklisted company. I've also got a few friends working in one of those companies.

Anyone here looking for their first job? PM me if you're on the same road ;)

In regards to Indonesia they don't really blacklist a company on a case by case basis. They have blacklisted all of Indonesia due to the governmental side of it.
So the only non-blacklisted airlines in Indo are the exceptions.

Naturally Susi Air is blacklisted because among things like lax maintenance (tools left under the cowl of a Caravan after "servicing" at Susi's illegal Pangandaran strip built on the beach! - not Nusawiru, other horror stories there that the pilots are afraid to tell about for fear of the boss), the work permit issue and other problems. DirJen Imigrasi is undergoing an anti-corruption drive pushed by the US Dept of Justice. They will probably lay the heavy on a few pilots (white boys probably). They tried a long time ago with Freiherr Christian cause he was listed in Tanggerang and was supposed to be in Pangandaran... but that, like most other illegal acts was swept under the rug. Or the time Susi pilots wouldn't bump 2 booked pax for a Bupati in Papua and he banned them from landing at "his" airport... till Susi brought him a fat envelope! Susi will probably get a slap on the wrist for all her lies and sleaze because Woman-Owned-Biz's are flavor of the month by order NWO.

Hi all,

Good topic.....

Forget Susi air it is what it is and we have operators like that in Australia and other western countries. Yes, Australia!. Accidents do happen and some companies cut corners to survive in this competitve industry.

With regards to one of the above posts mentioning a tool under the cowl etc, this happens all over the world. Human error etc. I was worknig for a company a few years back and there was a tool left under the cowling,pilots were flying overloaded (which they did not know of until I pointed a few things out but they were green commercial pilots) the operation was run on a shoe string etc, nothing new.

There are so many airlines around the world that is Blacklisted. I personally know a handful of airline captains in their late 50's from Australia and England that have done the African airlines flying 707's. MD's etc and PNG flying DC3's and twin otters. They all say they had an awesome time, living life and working hard.

What counts is how you perform in the interview (sim ride/technical knowledge/reg's), then your in. The company will nut out any silly habits you may have through "standardisation" & "SOP's"...

It comes down to:

Are you going to be a lazy First Officer in a 737NG (sit back and become brainless) or a proactive one that is always thirsty for tech stuff on your equiptment and hitting a minimum of 4's in your sim/ppc checks!!!

Know your equiptment that you are operating and you will be fine!


If Indonesia is too scary for you, then don't go. Stay in your house/apartment in the UK and wait for BA to phone you.