RATW: who can produce a book of the photos?

[Peter-RB]

As, has been written on this thread the pictures here are taken by the flyers who populate this Rotorheads area, so good are they that I consider PPrune might even think of creating a book of such wonderful sights that many of us would never be able to see, I know we can always switch the box on and press a few buttone, but a book of these pictures especially some of the really high alt shots would be brilliant printed into book form, I have many friends (not all flyers) who would love to see such vistas, a book would make a good pressy. funds could go to Pprune or Help the Heros or somthing similar.

Could such a wild idea gain or make sense, or even get off the ground?

My regards to all the posters on this thread .

Peter R-B
Lancashire
UK

[bondu]

I'm with you Peter! The standard of photos would grace any 'coffee table' book.

bondu :ok:

(Hope the weather down in God's Country is better than up here!)

[topendtorque]

From Peter-RB,
Could such a wild idea gain or make sense, or even get off the ground?


Have suggested same in the past although not in quite the same way.

I agree it is a fantastic idea and your idea of suitable charites for the spin off is very good. Many of the posters here are ex military, may I suggest 'Legacy' as top of the list.

I'd be happy to contemplate a donation to get it off the ground. I guess proprietry rights of the pictures thus far exhibited would not be an issue. They would need to be credited in some way I think.

[PFR]

Most certainly a books a great idea - I'd buy one, maybe more, and I'm sure plenty more on here also - no brainer with the revenue going to good causes.
Much regards PFR.:ok:

[Peter-RB]

Good evening Senior Pilot,

If my wild idea was able to get off the ground( no pun meant) as I work from my office at home about 70% of the week if I could help do anything I would be quite happy to get involved, my wild idea certainly seems to have touched a certain happy note with those who have answered, and just in totting up I have about 15 friends who would be in heaven if presented with some of this threads pictures in book format.

I am certain that by publishing here on the Rotoheads forum that the people concerned would be only too happy to allow this with the most cursory of acknowledgements as to copyright. There really are some of the most stunning pictures from all who have contributed over the period this thread has been running, and they are all the better for being natural and not staged.

My regards

Peter R-B
Lancashire UK

[Decredenza]

Should a separate topic be started regarding the RATW book?

[Charlesm]

I would definitely support the book idea and would be happy to buy a copy. The images in this thread have been stunning and I have enjoyed viewing them all with hopefully many more to come in the future. :ok::ok:

[Helinut]

The photo book is a great idea. No crew room should be without one.....

[Garfs]

+1 Id be happy to buy a copy as well

[Brilliant Stuff]

+1 for a copy of the picture book :ok:

[Savoia]

As, has been written on this thread the pictures here are taken by the flyers who populate this Rotorheads area, so good are they that I consider PPRuNe might even think of creating a book of such wonderful sights that many of us would never be able to see, I know we can always switch the box on and press a few buttone, but a book of these pictures especially some of the really high alt shots would be brilliant printed into book form, I have many friends (not all flyers) who would love to see such vistas, a book would make a good pressy. funds could go to PPRuNe or Help the Heros or somthing similar.

Could such a wild idea gain or make sense, or even get off the ground?

My regards to all the posters on this thread .

Peter R-B
Lancashire
UK

With sufficient determination and commitment almost anything is possible and I dare say that it would be perfectly possible to publish a "Rotorheads Around The World" pictorial review in resplendent hard copy!

However, I think it may be unlikely that Internet Brands (PPRuNe's owners) would develop such an initiative (especially as, in most cases, no one other than the photographer owns the image copyright). Also, and as far as I am aware, Internet Brands are not publishers but a media/software development business.

What would be required is to encourage a publisher to consider the project and in this regard there are a couple of things you could do to prepare for this:

1. Post a new thread "Rotorheads Around The World: Photobook Selection" on which Rotorheads members may post their favourite selections from the eponymous "Rotorheads Around the World" photo thread.

2. Those who have posted images on the original RATW photo thread and who see their image reappearing in the "Photobook Selection" thread should; a) Provide consent for their image to be used in the production of the proposed publication and b) Provide relevant details to accompany the image (if indeed this has not already been provided).

3. Should the number of submissions in the Photobook Selection thread become excessive then a refining process (perhaps using polls) should be applied to come up with the 100 (or some other value) best images.

Once this has been achieved you can then point a prospective publisher to the thread having now completed some of the basic groundwork in terms of photo permissions/narrative and image selection.

Just a thought.

[Widewoodenwingswork]

I think it is a brilliant idea, RATW is one of the most frequented pages of my browser and I'd buy a book in a heartbeat.

I don't know if the forum has the capacity to have a method of voting, a truly fair way of doing it would be to create a blog whereby people can 'like' photos, and go with the most 'liked', however I think that a panel of say 10 judges would do just as good a job. There are lots of good photos, but the great ones really stand out.

Any webpage/blog developers out there?

[500e]

Will have words with 2 people I know who do these type of Books both in UK & US

[birrddog]

I think Savoia's suggest makes the most sense.

Once there are enough images voted in with consent of the copyright holder and attribution, it would be easier to shop around.

[Shell Management]

Would any profits go to charity? If so is there an obvious rotorhead charity?

[mickjoebill]

Two laws are in play Privacy and copyright.
I've had books "published' using the online Apple service and I've edited a European trade mag for eight years.

The Apple online book service is dead easy to use and is part of the apple iphoto app.
It is a matter of copying original photos into one computer, writing captions then loading into the app.
Choose if a hard or soft cover,
Select a layout and design template from the menue.
Upload photos to the apple server.
Pay $$$ based on number of copies required.
Wait for delivery.
Rewrite your resume to include "Book Publisher"



Another option is to use a single "on demand" book publisher like LULU.comhttps://www.lulu.com/s1/paperback_b/r/site?&cid=~sggl~kself%20publish~gself+publish_focused_focused_au_e xact~clulu_publishing_au~a5771962461~p&gclid=CPOqwvyX0awCFYI0pAodtxWtpg
This service keeps your book design on file at a printing house and believe it or not, each book is printed (one at a time if need be) as it is ordered.
This operation includes the book being put on the Amazon and Barnes and Noble website where punters can order and pay for the book, the website ie Amazon then deals directly with the printer, orders and pays the printer and gives you your cut (up to 80% of the cover price)

I'd suggest printing on demand would work with Pprune as the number of books ordered could be quite high, spread over time and complicated by orders and shipping to numerous countries.


Here is the admin part.
Someone has to be legally responsible for publishing "The publisher"
The publisher is liable for any copyright or legal issues arising from the printing and distribution.

The publisher protects themselves by ensuring;
1/ They have legal right to copy and publish the image from the photographer. (a liscence)
2/ Human subjects have signed a "talent release" (liability waiver) form
3/ Makes a judgement that the scene depicted in the photo is not pornographic nor likely to cause upset (for a wide variety of reasons).
4/ A "location release" has been signed by owners of any ground location that significantly features in the shot. In the case of buildings if three buildings in a city are in shot no release is required. (US law)

Notes
The definition of photographer is the person framing and pushing the button. If you are using someone else's camera then you are still the photographer but it does not follow you have the right to commandeer the recording media to extract your image, nor does it follow that the owner of the camera and recording media has a right to use your photo.
Whoever pushes the button owns the electrons. (surprising governments don't tax the use of electrons!)


Solutions
Obtain written permission from the actual photographer to use the image.
Because it is his work/art it is his copyright.

Obtain written permission from the helicopter company to use an image of their aircraft.
Because it will have their registration and perhaps company logo that will identify their aircraft and they can reasonably object for numerous commercial political or personal reasons

Obtain written permission from anyone in the image who could be recognisable, either visually or by virtue of the location, manner of flying aircraft reg ect.

In the case of a shot where there is "interesting" flying/landing it would be polite to make an effort to contact the pilot, even if they are not visible or recognisible.


Obtain written permission from whoever charted the heli for that particular job.
Only required if the job can be identified, ie line slinging an easily identifiable load.


Obtain written permission from any third party that forms a significant part of the shot, ie the owners of the country house in the background of the shot.


A publisher prefers the photographer to obtain the locations and talent releases at the time of shooting.

Whilst it sounds onerous, usually it is not possible to cross all the Ts so judgement calls are made.

Some large companies are really fussy, for instance an image of a Eurostar is regarded by them as a logo and they will use this as an excuse to try and control how their trains are depicted.

In the case of air to air photography a call has to be made if the company or organisation who operated the camera ship needs to be informed. If close formation flying is involved pilot of camera ship should be credited as well:ok:


If all the images are taken from a public place it is tempting to consider the book as a collection of photo essays taken by photojournalists where no model or location releases are required.

However sourcing a licence from the photographer is always a good idea even if the book were not available to the public.

Go for it, sounds like a great idea, can we put the profit to designing a better AS350 seat?




Mickjoebill